PC USER NEEDING 2 SWITCH 2 MAC!! ADVICE NEEDED PLEASE!!

[Kimberley]

Yes I am still using a PC. :o Cant wait 2 get rid of it and get an Apple Mac. :D

I am currently studying Graphic Design at University so would therefore need a portable machine.

I am finding it difficult to make a decision on what portable to get as there are so many options available. :confused: So where best to get advice than from you all.

The options I have looked at are:
* G4 ibook 14" 1.2GHz
256 Ram (probably max out to 1.25GB RAM)
60Gb
DVD-R/CD-RW (Superdrive option)
Radeon 9200 (32 Mb)
Bluetooth, 2 x USB, 1 x Firewire, Applecare

1625.50 (UK Price inc. educational disc.)


* G4 Powerbook 15.2" 1.5GHz
512 Ram (What is the difference between 1 SO-DIMM and 2 SO-DIMMs)
80Gb (5400 rpm)
DVD-R/CD-RW
Radeon 9700 (128 MB)
Bluetooth, Airport Card, USB, Firwire 400 & 800, Backlit keyboard, Applecare

1964.76 (UK Price inc. educational discount)

As I am a student getting the ibook would save me a bit of money. I still have to consider software for mac platform.

Will the ibook manage programs such as Quark, Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign? Are there any major disadvantages with the above ibook model?

Advice appreciated. Thanks

[me_94501]

When the iBook was G3 based, running those applications might've been an issue. However, with the new iBook G4s, they should run without a problem.

[iBunny]

When the iBook was G3 based, running those applications might've been an issue. However, with the new iBook G4s, they should run without a problem.


Video Processor and Video ram wouldnt be an issue?

[me_94501]

Video Processor and Video ram wouldnt be an issue?
I don't think it should be an issue. If it is, there's always the 12" PowerBook which starts at $1599 US, $1399 with student discount. I don't know how the prices run outside the states, though.

[minstryoffunk]

Obviously, if you can spring for the better machine, you'd probably find things like the better video card and larger screen worthwhile. However, the iBook would, i expect, serve your needs adequately

[Skiniftz]

Yes I am still using a PC. :o Cant wait 2 get rid of it and get a MAC. :D



Please - it's Mac, not MAC. MAC in caps is a recognised acronym of "Media Access Control" and is part of the Ethernet standard and nothing to do with the Apple Mac.

</anal>

[haiggy]

Please - it's Mac, not MAC. MAC in caps is a recognised acronym of "Media Access Control" and is part of the Ethernet standard and nothing to do with the Apple Mac.

</anal>

Actually, it's an Apple.

[Flynnstone]

The question you need to answer is what screen resolution is acceptable (for the cost).
The iBook is 1024x768 ( 12" or 14")
The 15" PowerBook is 1280x854.

[e-coli]

Go for the PowerBook for the bigger screen. You'll need it for design work. plus you can hook a "real" monitor up to it and it can be an extension of your desktop. iBooks only mirror what's on your laptop screen on your monitor.

Powerbook is a MUCH better decison.

[brhmac]

Please - it's Mac, not MAC. MAC in caps is a recognised acronym of "Media Access Control" and is part of the Ethernet standard and nothing to do with the Apple Mac.

</anal>

Blah blah blah.

Who cares?

Mac? MAC? maC? MaC? mAc?

Who cares? The guy wants advice on a Macintosh computer and the only insight you have to offer is a diatribe on "Mac" vs. "MAC."

BFD

You knew what he meant. We all knew what he meant.

[Blackheart]

Blah blah blah.

Who cares?

Mac? MAC? maC? MaC? mAc?

Who cares? The guy wants advice on a Macintosh computer and the only insight you have to offer is a diatribe on "Mac" vs. "MAC."

BFD

You knew what he meant. We all knew what he meant.

I think it's the same idea with someone spelling coconut wrong by spelling it "kokonuht". Just because you know what he means, doesn't mean you should let it be ignored. For his sake, let him know his mistake, and he can do with it what he wants.

[Grokgod]

ohh I hate it when people get in a uproar about spelling or capitals or anything of that nature!

Who cares!
You understood him and that means that his post was good, it worked and no intelligent people were harmed in the posting!

This is a internet forum not your personal school of bad charm.
Give it a rest!

Ok on to the actual reason for the post.!

I think that you should get a powerbook!
Here is my reason why.
The LCD is number one for me.
The iBook is great and would do a great job but the LCD < all caps ohhh>
doesnt portray the color and contrast ratio well enough for real design work.

Now if you use another external screen, it could be a fine choice, but that is an additional cost and I am not sure about the VGA out that the iBook uses.

One of the newer lower end Powerbooks with a EDU discount would run about $1799. Not too bad, i think.

[Skiniftz]

Blah blah blah.

Who cares?

Mac? MAC? maC? MaC? mAc?

Who cares? The guy wants advice on a Macintosh computer and the only insight you have to offer is a diatribe on "Mac" vs. "MAC."

BFD

You knew what he meant. We all knew what he meant.
I care. And that's "she".

[Skiniftz]

Actually, it's an Apple.
Actually it's Macintosh, commonly abbreviated to "Mac". Yes everyone knows that Apple don't market "The Mac" as "Mac" anymore, however its what it is still referred to as. If I said I have a Mac, people know what I mean. (If I have a MAC then I would be talking about something else.)

[thirteen1031]

Hey, Kimberly! Welcome to the Mac (MAC, mAc) World. You're going to love it, I promise. Please don't let that little tiff over the spelling scare you. Apple lovers are a little obsessive, but usually very friendly, informative and concerned.

Answer to your question:
Get the best laptop you can buy.

If you were just going to be writing essays and surfing the net, that would be one thing. But you're doing Graphic design. What your laptop will be required to do will change and increase every year. It may need to run new and larger and more demanding programs. YOU may need it do more detailed work--you may need better video, etc. And the quality of this essential tool of the craft you are learning will make a difference. The better it is, the better you can be at graphic design.

If money is VERY tight, then go for the new iBooks. An iBook will be satisfactory. However, if you can afford it, get the new powerbook. Think of it as an investment. It may cost you a lot now, but you'll use it longer, it will be able to adapt better to your changing and growing needs, it will likely serve you not only in school but through your first internship and it will have a great re-sale value when its finally time to get a new one.

[Skiniftz]

I am finding it difficult to make a decision on what portable to get as there are so many options available. :confused: So where best to get advice than from you all.

The options I have looked at are:
* G4 ibook 14" 1.2GHz
256 Ram (probably max out to 1.25GB RAM)
60Gb
DVD-R/CD-RW (Superdrive option)
Radeon 9200 (32 Mb)
Bluetooth, 2 x USB, 1 x Firewire, Applecare

1625.50 (UK Price inc. educational disc.)


* G4 Powerbook 15.2" 1.5GHz
512 Ram (What is the difference between 1 SO-DIMM and 2 SO-DIMMs)

The 15" PowerBook can take two SO-DIMM chips for RAM. Basically if you used 2x256 SO-DIMMS that would give you 512Mb RAM, with no room for expansion. If you plan to upgrade it past 512Mb (strongly recommended) then you will want to only use 1 slot for your first 512Mb, leaving a spare slot that you can use to upgrade in the future. Generally with the Mac and OSX you will want to put in as much RAM as you can. This will both increase performance and battery life (battery life as it doesnt have to keep spinning up the drive as much).


80Gb (5400 rpm)
DVD-R/CD-RW
Radeon 9700 (128 MB)
Bluetooth, Airport Card, USB, Firwire 400 & 800, Backlit keyboard, Applecare

1964.76 (UK Price inc. educational discount)

As I am a student getting the ibook would save me a bit of money. I still have to consider software for mac platform.

Will the ibook manage programs such as Quark, Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign? Are there any major disadvantages with the above ibook model?

Advice appreciated. Thanks
when choosing you basically have to decide what you are going to be doing. From your last paragraph, I'm guessing that the software you mention is what you will want to do. The Powerbook will be faster; obviously it's CPU is a little faster than the iBook, but normally another difference between "i" and "Power" class Mac's is a faster system bus in the Power models.

You can see the tech specs here:

iBook Tech Specs (http://www.apple.com/ibook/specs.html)
PowerBook Tech Specs (http://www.apple.com/powerbook/specs.html)

Notice that the iBook system bus is clocked at 133MHz while the PowerBook is 167MHz. It's not much, but it does make a difference in performance.

The models you are looking at will run the software you mention just fine, it's just the PowerBook will be a little faster. If you can afford it, and particularly if you want to run them all at the same time, get the PowerBook but the iBook will run them ok. You will want to get as much RAM as you can in whatever model you get. (However the PowerBook can take 2Gb(!) - 1.5Gb should be more than enough for peak performance depending on the size of images you are working on).

[kettle]

oooh! my mistake I thought this was a MAC forum, could someone tell me where I find the real MAC forum, I've become so confused since people started talking about Apple Mac computers, I really don't know where I am. I know there are only a couple of members on the MAC forum so it shouldn't be too difficult to spot. All I have to do is head out to some dullard corner of the internet and start typing Apple MAC and my good friends should be there in seconds.


As far as PC to Apple PC goes, I would keep yer windo$e box to do folding with, then you can join Macrumors Team Folding! yee!

a Mac is better than no Mac. :)

[Kimberley]

Thanks for the great advice. :D

Yes I am a "she"!

Anyway, no bidg deal! :cool:

Im growing on the Powerbook more now as I can see where it would have more potential and be benificial for my needs. :)

Just a few more questions:

1) Should I choose the build 2 order option of 1Gb RAM (1 x SO-DIMM) or
should I leave the standard 512 (2 x SO-DIMM) and get a 1GB RAM
elsewhere and install myself (is it easy to install memory on a portable -
I 'm ony aware of how to install on a desktop).

2) Could anyone let me know more about airport extreme and how it works.
I use broadband with USB - should I just stick to using this.

Thanks

[Kimberley]

oooh! my mistake I thought this was a MAC forum, could someone tell me where I find the real MAC forum, I've become so confused since people started talking about Apple Mac computers, I really don't know where I am. I know there are only a couple of members on the MAC forum so it shouldn't be too difficult to spot. All I have to do is head out to some dullard corner of the internet and start typing Apple MAC and my good friends should be there in seconds.


As far as PC to Apple PC goes, I would keep yer windo$e box to do folding with, then you can join Macrumors Team Folding! yee!

a Mac is better than no Mac. :)



Boy have you got time!

Im NEW to Mac so didnt know you can't spell it a certain way!
People like you will make mac users decrease. You're doing apple no justice!

Its better you teach than preach sarcasm.

If you havent got any good advice then why bother waste your time?

[Diatribe]

...and the only insight you have to offer is a diatribe...

somebody called? :D :D

Boy have you got time!

Im NEW to Mac so didnt know you can't spell it a certain way!
People like you will make mac users decrease. You're doing apple no justice!

Its better you teach than preach sarcasm.

If you havent got any good advice then why bother waste your time?

Nobody ever said that the ENTIRE Mac community was loving :D
But in general they are a lot nicer than the windose crowd. Just don't listen to those people and for who cares: Only those who do nothing don't make mistakes. Live and learn.

To answer your question:
1) Don't buy RAM at Apple. Take the 1x512mb stick and upgrade later with RAM from Crucial (http://www.crucial.com)
From what I know Apple uses this brand and they are considered the best RAM producers.
2) broadband over usb? Never heard of that. Airport extreme is Apple's WLAN. I hope this explains it... if not I would have to be more specific. :D

Hope that helped.

[MCCFR]

Boy have you got time!

Im NEW to Mac so didnt know you can't spell it a certain way!
People like you will make mac users decrease. You're doing apple no justice!

Its better you teach than preach sarcasm.

If you havent got any good advice then why bother waste your time?

Kimberley, there are plenty of snot-nosed types on Mac forums. It genuinely isn't representative of the community as a whole.

If cash is really tight, you may want to speak to a company like Cancom (Guildford) regarding their stock of Apple refurb/ex-demo equipment, which is quite separate from the kit that Apple sell on their website every Wednesday morning from 10am (http://promo.euro.apple.com/promo/refurb/uk/).

An answer to your two other questions: RAM is cheap, but not nearly as cheap if you let Apple sell it to you. Fitting RAM to any PowerBook is a relatively simple task, so long as observe simple rules about handling the module. It's just a question of whether you want a spare RAM module hanging around.

Airport Extreme is just Apple's term for its implementation of the high-speed (54mbit) wireless networking standard 802.11g. If you want to go with this, you'll need to spend extra money for the base station although cheaper variations are available from manufacturers like NetGear or D-Link (although these are obviously not up to Apple's levels of ease of use).

Do you need AE? Well, it's just incredibly convenient to be able to use your laptop without being tethered to your USB modem. Also, in the opinion of myself and several colleagues, it actually works more efficiently simply because it's designed to be used for networking as opposed to USB which was originally conceived as a way to connect keyboards, mice and the like.

Hope that helps.

[Dippo]

* G4 Powerbook 15.2" 1.5GHz
512 Ram (What is the difference between 1 SO-DIMM and 2 SO-DIMMs)
80Gb (5400 rpm)
DVD-R/CD-RW
Radeon 9700 (128 MB)
Bluetooth, Airport Card, USB, Firwire 400 & 800, Backlit keyboard, Applecare

1964.76 (UK Price inc. educational discount)

As I am a student getting the ibook would save me a bit of money. I still have to consider software for mac platform.

Will the ibook manage programs such as Quark, Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign? Are there any major disadvantages with the above ibook model?


If you can spare the cash, I would tell you that the Powerbook that you selected would be a better investment.

The Powerbook would have a little more power and the screen would be a little bigger. There is a BIG difference between a Radeon 9200 32MB and a Radeon 9700 with 128MB, but I am not sure how much those programs would use the extra power.

While saving money now would be great, you need to consider the long term cost. The iBook might only last two years, while the Powerbook might last three. (lasting as in still being powerful enough to run the new apps) So with that you can find the monthly cost of ownership:

Powerbook: 2000/36 = 55 month
iBook: 1650/24 = 68 month

Lastly, when it came time to sell your Mac, I am sure the Powerbook would fetch a much better margin than the iBook.

[Dippo]

1) Should I choose the build 2 order option of 1Gb RAM (1 x SO-DIMM) or
should I leave the standard 512 (2 x SO-DIMM) and get a 1GB RAM
elsewhere and install myself (is it easy to install memory on a portable -
I 'm ony aware of how to install on a desktop).

Get the 512MB (1xSO-DIMM). Do not buy extra RAM from Apple. It is WAY overpriced. Crucial has a 512MB for only £69.99 compared to Apples £193.21 (edu price) for the same 512MB!



2) Could anyone let me know more about airport extreme and how it works.
I use broadband with USB - should I just stick to using this.

First check and see if the cable/dsl modem you have has an ethernet connection. If so, then you can still use. If not, you are going to have to get a new cable/dsl modem to use airport extreme.

The airport base station is nothing but a wireless router, and other companies sell wireless routers for much cheaper (Linksys is my favorite), but they might not be as easy to setup as Apple's.

[Skiniftz]

Just a few more questions:

1) Should I choose the build 2 order option of 1Gb RAM (1 x SO-DIMM) or
should I leave the standard 512 (2 x SO-DIMM) and get a 1GB RAM
elsewhere and install myself (is it easy to install memory on a portable -
I 'm ony aware of how to install on a desktop).

If you were to get 512Mb in 2x 256Mb SO-DIMM, then to upgrade you will have to remove one of the 256Mb SO-DIMM modules to fit the upgrade, meaning you just wasted your money! Get it with one 512Mb SO-DIMM then obtain extra memory elsewhere - Apple's RAM is obscenely overpriced.

2) Could anyone let me know more about airport extreme and how it works.
I use broadband with USB - should I just stick to using this.

Ok I'm assuming that at the moment, you are using a PC with either ADSL or cable modem and you have that connected into the PC using USB (incidentally are you in the UK? If so what ISP do you use?).

Airport Extreme is basically Apple's name for what is known everywhere else as an 802.11g wireless network. The new PowerBook's have AE built in, and can connect to any standard 802.11b (11Mbps) and 802.11g (54Mpbs) wireless network kit. For a home broadband connection, to use Airport you are looking at either buying a wireless router that can connect directly to your ADSL or cable and then connecting to that from the Mac wirelessly, or if you have cable (with a cable modem that has a built in network socket (i.e. can take a standard CAT5 network cable) then you can get more or less any wireless bridge or router and connect it into that using a network cable, then connect via the Mac using wireless.

You can get wireless bridges and routers for around £80 in the UK. AE is overpriced.

[MCCFR]

If you can spare the cash, I would tell you that the Powerbook that you selected would be a better investment.

The Powerbook would have a little more power and the screen would be a little bigger. There is a BIG difference between a Radeon 9200 32MB and a Radeon 9700 with 128MB, but I am not sure how much those programs would use the extra power.



And the video arrangements on a PowerBook are more beneficial to your line of work, especially when you cease being a student and have to earn money as efficiently as you can.

Because the PowerBook lets you - when you can afford it - run two screens (properly, as opposed to just mirroring), you can put things like palettes from Adobe's software on one screen and then the actual 'work' windows on the other.

[BornAgainMac]

www.MACrumors.com LOL

[kettle]

Boy have you got time!

Im NEW to Mac so didnt know you can't spell it a certain way!
People like you will make mac users decrease. You're doing apple no justice!

Its better you teach than preach sarcasm.

If you havent got any good advice then why bother waste your time?

There was actually "good" advice in there. When I say "keep yer PC" I meant buy any mac, they're all lovely, just DON'T throw away your P.C. because you could use it for Team Folding.

As for MAC or Mac, the little waste of typing I posted was just to annoy the "MAC doesn't mean Mac" idiots. I know very well that even spelling mistakes are understood by those who who wish to point out their failures, and as a reward for their unblinking eye for a well ordered world, I like to mess with them. (however badly received)

Sorry that you felt this was an attack at your newness, I know you will enjoy your soon to be "Mac Life" more than your "PC Life" or for that matter any of my postings, past, present or future. :p

Anyway, time you got down to an Apple shop, while the PowerBooks are freshly updated. May you be spared from a month before update purchase :)

[kettle]

Kimberley, there are plenty of snot-nosed types on Mac forums.

That makes two of us by your reckoning:), other than that good advice with the Ram, I think Gordon Harwood (http://www.ghc.co.uk) computers were offering double yer Ram deals a while ago at a really good rate. Buy a UK Mac Magazine and look for the deals on offer from the UK Apple resellers. :)

[mrviga]

* G4 Powerbook 15.2" 1.5GHz
512 Ram (What is the difference between 1 SO-DIMM and 2 SO-DIMMs)
80Gb (5400 rpm)
DVD-R/CD-RW
Radeon 9700 (128 MB)
Bluetooth, Airport Card, USB, Firwire 400 & 800, Backlit keyboard, Applecare

1964.76 (UK Price inc. educational discount

I just ordered the updated 17" yesterday and when I checked, the difference between the 15" the way you have it configured and the 17" is only $100. I dont know if the difference will be that minimal in the UK, but check it out. If portability isn't that big an issue for you, the 17" is infinitely awesome.

[Skiniftz]

As for MAC or Mac, the little waste of typing I posted was just to annoy the "MAC doesn't mean Mac" idiots.
Oh so there is no difference between MAC and Mac then? Oh ok - in that case PC means "Personal Computer" therefore Mac == PC. Apple themselves refer to the Mac as a Personal Computer on the G5 page, therefore all Mac users are PC owners and users.

Obviously you do not appear to have much experience in the IT world and so I will let it slide, however to some of us there is a BIG difference between Mac and MAC, particularly when discussing networking.

What's your MAC address? Have you registered your MAC with your ISP? Has your MAC changed?











Do you even know what a MAC address IS?

[Datazoid]

I noticed that both of your options have the Superdrive option...any specific reason for this? You could save yourself £140 on the PowerBook by downgrading to a DVD/CD-RW (I find it strange that Apple UK charges £100 more for the SuperDrive on the PowerBook than on the iBook...sounds like a typo to me). I would definitely recommend the PowerBook over the iBook for what you will be doing, though, not necessarily because its more "future-proofed" as others have said, but because you will find the 1024x768 resolution of the 14" iBook to be EXTREMELY restrictive; I still have no idea why they would cripple it with such a low resolution (you have the same amount of screen space on it as you would with the 12" iBook). As others have said already, do NOT get any RAM upgrades from Apple...they are simply not worth the outrageous costs. Crucial is a great vendor of Mac RAM; I have also found MemoryX/WeLoveMacs (http://www.welovemacs.com) to be very reliable and trustworthy as well. I would NOT suggest purchasing RAM that is not specifically designed for Macs, however; even though it is quite a bit cheaper, if there are any problems with it down the road, many vendors will claim that they do not test on Macs, and therefore your warranty does not apply (I have had this experience recently, specifically with a stick of Corsair RAM). Returning to the cost issue, although I will not say you *shouldn't* get AppleCare, I will say that in the past 3 years that I have had Macs, only one has needed attention (iBook 500Mhz), and that was within the original 1 year warranty period. However, computers (especially laptops) do have a relatively high failure rate, no matter the brand, and it gives many peace of mind to have AppleCare.

Also, have you used Mac OS X before? If not, you will discover that there are several important differences (aside from aesthetics) from Windows (not ALL of them good — nothing is perfect). I would recommend checking out MacOSXHints (www.macosxhints.com), they have a lot of neat little tricks in their database that can improve your experience. There are many other good resources out there; even just doing a search of these forums will reveal a good deal of information. VersionTracker (http://www.versiontracker.com/macosx) is a well known website that hosts tons of Mac downloads (freeware & shareware); do a search of the forums, many people have listed their favorites. Also, many people despise the 1 button mouse (or trackpad in this case...I love it, but that is beside the point), so you may want to look into getting a 3 button external mouse. Pretty much any mouse will work, although there are "Mac-styled" mice that work better aesthetically.

Congratulations on your new Mac, and good luck with it!

[kettle]

Oh so there is no difference between MAC and Mac then? Oh ok - in that case PC means "Personal Computer" therefore Mac == PC. Apple themselves refer to the Mac as a Personal Computer on the G5 page, therefore all Mac users are PC owners and users.

Obviously you do not appear to have much experience in the IT world and so I will let it slide, however to some of us there is a BIG difference between Mac and MAC, particularly when discussing networking.

What's your MAC address? Have you registered your MAC with your ISP? Has your MAC changed?

Do you even know what a MAC address IS?

In a thread where someone is asking for advice on buying an iBook or a Power Book there is NO DIFFERENCE between MAC or Mac or mAc, we all know the context in which it was used, except YOU.

p.s. a mac = pc when bmw = car

have you understood that people don't do it to annoy you? (except me) they just do it because most of the time it doesn't matter?

[CmdrLaForge]

Go for the PowerBook for the bigger screen. You'll need it for design work. plus you can hook a "real" monitor up to it and it can be an extension of your desktop. iBooks only mirror what's on your laptop screen on your monitor.

Powerbook is a MUCH better decison.

I second that - if you can afford it - go for the powerbook. Much better screen for design work. And maybe next year you get yourself a 20" LCD !

[brhmac]

Obviously you do not appear to have much experience in the IT world and so I will let it slide, however to some of us there is a BIG difference between Mac and MAC, particularly when discussing networking.

What's your MAC address? Have you registered your MAC with your ISP? Has your MAC changed?

Do you even know what a MAC address IS?

You know what? You're a real humanitarian.

In case you can't tell, I'm being sarcastic.

And as for your use of "IS," do you mean "Information Systems" or the present tense of the verb "be"? Why capitalize "is"? If you're trying to be sarcastic - we know you're caustic - the emphasis should be in the form of italics.

D'uh!

Guess all the money your parents gave you for grammar lessons went to your PhD in MAC-ology.

[7on]

Anyway Kimberly, I suggest getting what ever is best for your wallet. RAM is the most important issue here. Any designer will tell you this. Machine is pretty much non-issue. All the art professors at my campus have B&Ws in their office (I dunno what spec) and slightly faster Mystics in the lab (dual 450). Whatever machine you get I'd say should have a minimum of 1GB of RAM. That will allow you to work with larger documents, multiple documents, and scan at larger resolutions. Whatever machine you buy now will defiantly last at least 3-4 years in the design world, as long as you have the RAM. Many designers still have OS9 run machines as their primary work hounds, so anything in Apple's current lineup should suite you fine.

[DesterWallaboo]

I do visual effects in the film and broadcast television world. Definitely get the Powerbook. The RAM expansion abilities, video card, LCD screen quality and even the durability of the aluminum case make it all worth the extra bucks.

And... don't get your extra RAM from Apple.... purchase it from www.ramjet.com or www.crucial.com ..... it will save you a bundle of cash and memory installation on the Powerbook is a breeze.

[Nny]

Please - it's Mac, not MAC. MAC in caps is a recognised acronym of "Media Access Control" and is part of the Ethernet standard and nothing to do with the Apple Mac.

</anal>

I thought it was "Apple Macintosh". All this new age slang confuses me! Maybe Jobs will change it to the Apple "Granny Smith" and dump the "Mac" moniker. Make them bright green. And if you think Aqua was lickable, wait until they make the OS slightly tart to the taste. I'd buy one.

[Skiniftz]

Desktop:
http://www2.truman.edu/~jps137/web/desktoposx.pdf

Desktop wallpaper as a sig! Now I truly have seen everything!

[Skiniftz]

I thought it was "Apple Macintosh". All this new age slang confuses me! Maybe Jobs will change it to the Apple "Granny Smith" and dump the "Mac" moniker. Make them bright green. And if you think Aqua was lickable, wait until they make the OS slightly tart to the taste. I'd buy one.
Beat you to that one in a previous post I'm afraid... :D

[Kimberley]

I DID IT!!! :) :D

Ordered my Powerbook 15.2", 1.5Ghz today and I can't wait to get it. Thanks to everyone for the advice - it helped alot!

Not only will this be my first mac, but my first laptop - FREEDOM HERE I COME! No more am I restricted to sit at my desk - I now have the option to be in a different environment. :cool:

With your question about my internet setup on my PC, it is broadband connected with Cable USB Modem. This is an option in UK, not sure if it is used outide UK. I can use an ethernet connection but I didn't bother to get a card put into my PC so had to run off the USB Modem -But I do have an ethernet lead.
Does this mean I can still use this setup on the powerbook? Only thing I'm guessing is that if I do I'll have to be in one place as that wouldn't make it wireless.

When I get my Powerbook I'll let you know how I'm getting on.
And lets all forget about this 'mac' issue, I didn't know it was gonna become such a big topic - although it has been a bit of a laugh. :D

[Dippo]

I DID IT!!! :) :D

Ordered my Powerbook 15.2", 1.5Ghz today and I can't wait to get it. Thanks to everyone for the advice - it helped alot!

Not only will this be my first mac, but my first laptop - FREEDOM HERE I COME! No more am I restricted to sit at my desk - I now have the option to be in a different environment. :cool:

With your question about my internet setup on my PC, it is broadband connected with Cable USB Modem. This is an option in UK, not sure if it is used outide UK. I can use an ethernet connection but I didn't bother to get a card put into my PC so had to run off the USB Modem -But I do have an ethernet lead.
Does this mean I can still use this setup on the powerbook? Only thing I'm guessing is that if I do I'll have to be in one place as that wouldn't make it wireless.

When I get my Powerbook I'll let you know how I'm getting on.
And lets all forget about this 'mac' issue, I didn't know it was gonna become such a big topic - although it has been a bit of a laugh. :D


Congrats!!!

As for the USB modem issue, since it does have an ethernet port, then it will work with your powerbook. You are going to have to get a wireless router to use the powerbook wirelessly.

The Apple Airport Extreme Base Station is a Wireless router, but may other companies also make wireless routers that are cheaper. Just be sure to get one that is 802.11G

[rogerw]

kimberley - if u can, get the wireless broadband set up. ive got it here at home (not office yet though) and its brill. Absolutely no idea how it was set up, a mate sent one of his engineers round to sort it, but well worth

[me_94501]

I DID IT!!! :) :D

Ordered my Powerbook 15.2", 1.5Ghz today and I can't wait to get it. Thanks to everyone for the advice - it helped alot!

Not only will this be my first mac, but my first laptop - FREEDOM HERE I COME! No more am I restricted to sit at my desk - I now have the option to be in a different environment. :cool:

With your question about my internet setup on my PC, it is broadband connected with Cable USB Modem. This is an option in UK, not sure if it is used outide UK. I can use an ethernet connection but I didn't bother to get a card put into my PC so had to run off the USB Modem -But I do have an ethernet lead.
Does this mean I can still use this setup on the powerbook? Only thing I'm guessing is that if I do I'll have to be in one place as that wouldn't make it wireless.

When I get my Powerbook I'll let you know how I'm getting on.
And lets all forget about this 'mac' issue, I didn't know it was gonna become such a big topic - although it has been a bit of a laugh. :D

Awesome! :cool:

[CmdrLaForge]

I DID IT!!! :)
When I get my Powerbook I'll let you know how I'm getting on.
And lets all forget about this 'mac' issue, I didn't know it was gonna become such a big topic - although it has been a bit of a laugh. :D

Congrats. I don't forget to tell us what you think and what your expierence are. I think it will take you 2 or 3 days to find out how everything works on the Mac because its partly a little bit different then on the PC site. Most things are much easier, but because you are used to the PC you don't think that it just works and try to find out how. You will see what I mean.

If you have questions. Come here.

Cheers

[takao]

i just want to add something to the endless MAC/Mac discussion

how to most people in here type BMW ? right "bmw" in small letters ... do you want to write it out everytime ? ("Bayrische Motorenwerke") perhaps bmw in small letters mean something different.. same with "vw" vs "VW" which means "Volkswagen"
does it make a difference ? no because everybody knows what is meant with it because of _context_
same with "mercedes" (which is only a name like "John") when they mean the "Mercedes-Benz" cars produced by DaimlerChrysler (Daimler-Benz before)

same in the political "the us" are accept for "the united states of america" (short "the USA" in capital letters would be correct)

sorry for being off topic but the people who don't like this shouldn't be so nitpicking ...this is an international forum and nobody can be right all the time

[dieselg4]

Please - it's Mac, not MAC. MAC in caps is a recognised acronym of "Media Access Control" and is part of the Ethernet standard and nothing to do with the Apple Mac.

</anal>


I thought it was "Money Access Card" . .

[Skiniftz]

With your question about my internet setup on my PC, it is broadband connected with Cable USB Modem. This is an option in UK, not sure if it is used outide UK. I can use an ethernet connection but I didn't bother to get a card put into my PC so had to run off the USB Modem -But I do have an ethernet lead.
Does this mean I can still use this setup on the powerbook? Only thing I'm guessing is that if I do I'll have to be in one place as that wouldn't make it wireless.

When I get my Powerbook I'll let you know how I'm getting on.
And lets all forget about this 'mac' issue, I didn't know it was gonna become such a big topic - although it has been a bit of a laugh. :D

Well I hope you like it! Ok - I guessed you were in the UK. Your USB cable connection is not going to work with the Mac. The PowerBook comes with ethernet built in, so no problems there - you can just connect it straight into the cable modem until you get your wireless sorted out.

Now the relevance of the MAC / Mac issue. You are going to have to tell your ISP (NTL? Telewest?) the MAC address of your Mac. (to my critics: notice how the caps make the distinction). Kimberly - a MAC (Media Access Control) address is a unique number that is associated with your computer's network ports. The cabled network socket in the PowerBook has a unique MAC address, and you must tell your ISP this number before the computer will work using your cable modem. (Cable companies in the UK usually allow 5 MAC addresses to be registered; note "MAC" has nothing to do with "Mac" - every networked device that uses Ethernet has a MAC address) ISP's do this to restrict the number of computers that you connect to their network.

The easiest way to find out the MAC address of a PowerBook is this:

Open up the system preferences (it looks like a white square with an Apple logo on it in the dock along the bottom of the screen).

Click "Network"

If you see a list, pick "Built in ethernet", then "configure".

Click the button in the row that says "Ethernet"

You should see a number called "Ethernet ID:" - it will look something like this 00:0a:95:12:34:56 - this is a MAC address, and it is the number you will need to tell your ISP.

Note that when you go wireless, the Airport interface will have a different MAC address - you can get this in the same way, but choosing "Airport" rather than "Built-in Ethernet".

Now - how confusing would this have been if you didn't know the difference between MAC and Mac? :D

[amnesiac1984]

Well I hope you like it! Ok - I guessed you were in the UK. Your USB cable connection is not going to work with the Mac. The PowerBook comes with ethernet built in, so no problems there - you can just connect it straight into the cable modem until you get your wireless sorted out.

Now the relevance of the MAC / Mac issue. You are going to have to tell your ISP (NTL? Telewest?) the MAC address of your Mac. (to my critics: notice how the caps make the distinction). Kimberly - a MAC (Media Access Control) address is a unique number that is associated with your computer's network ports. The cabled network socket in the PowerBook has a unique MAC address, and you must tell your ISP this number before the computer will work using your cable modem. (Cable companies in the UK usually allow 5 MAC addresses to be registered; note "MAC" has nothing to do with "Mac" - every networked device that uses Ethernet has a MAC address) ISP's do this to restrict the number of computers that you connect to their network.

The easiest way to find out the MAC address of a PowerBook is this:

Open up the system preferences (it looks like a white square with an Apple logo on it in the dock along the bottom of the screen).

Click "Network"

If you see a list, pick "Built in ethernet", then "configure".

Click the button in the row that says "Ethernet"

You should see a number called "Ethernet ID:" - it will look something like this 00:0a:95:12:34:56 - this is a MAC address, and it is the number you will need to tell your ISP.

Note that when you go wireless, the Airport interface will have a different MAC address - you can get this in the same way, but choosing "Airport" rather than "Built-in Ethernet".

Now - how confusing would this have been if you didn't know the difference between MAC and Mac? :D


If your gong to be that pedantic about this Mac MAC issues then why don't you write MAC as M.A.C. seeing as its an acronym. Then nobody would get confused (not like anybody did).

[ephica]

I thought it was "Apple Macintosh". All this new age slang confuses me! Maybe Jobs will change it to the Apple "Granny Smith" and dump the "Mac" moniker. Make them bright green. And if you think Aqua was lickable, wait until they make the OS slightly tart to the taste. I'd buy one.

you are my hero :D

[ingenious]

Actually it's Macintosh, commonly abbreviated to "Mac". Yes everyone knows that Apple don't market "The Mac" as "Mac" anymore, however its what it is still referred to as. If I said I have a Mac, people know what I mean. (If I have a MAC then I would be talking about something else.)

they stopped marketing it as Mac? right.... "every mac needs .mac!" thats really not referring to it as Mac! I'm just imagining things! </sarcasm>


ok
i think that you should get the powerbook. i believe the have better lifespan, they have faster processors, better video, more ram (oh sorry RAM) capacity, etc.

[Skiniftz]

If your gong to be that pedantic about this Mac MAC issues then why don't you write MAC as M.A.C. seeing as its an acronym. Then nobody would get confused (not like anybody did).
...because one doesnt need to. All caps implies an acronym. "Mac" however is an abbreviation, hence it inherits a capital "M" as its the name of something, but the other letters should not be in caps, unless of course it was an abbreviation of MACINTOSH, which it isn't because that would imply that the word "MACINTOSH" was an acronym. Which it isn't (or if it is it's a secret one). I mean who knows - perhaps there is an acronym, and Maybe Apple Computer Intended Never To Only Sell Hardware? Of course Many Acronyms Can Include Names To Offend Some Humans and because they are in caps, Many ACronyms I Need TO SHout.

[Kimberley]

Well I hope you like it! Ok - I guessed you were in the UK. Your USB cable connection is not going to work with the Mac. The PowerBook comes with ethernet built in, so no problems there - you can just connect it straight into the cable modem until you get your wireless sorted out.

Now the relevance of the MAC / Mac issue. You are going to have to tell your ISP (NTL? Telewest?) the MAC address of your Mac. (to my critics: notice how the caps make the distinction). Kimberly - a MAC (Media Access Control) address is a unique number that is associated with your computer's network ports. The cabled network socket in the PowerBook has a unique MAC address, and you must tell your ISP this number before the computer will work using your cable modem. (Cable companies in the UK usually allow 5 MAC addresses to be registered; note "MAC" has nothing to do with "Mac" - every networked device that uses Ethernet has a MAC address) ISP's do this to restrict the number of computers that you connect to their network.

The easiest way to find out the MAC address of a PowerBook is this:

Open up the system preferences (it looks like a white square with an Apple logo on it in the dock along the bottom of the screen).

Click "Network"

If you see a list, pick "Built in ethernet", then "configure".

Click the button in the row that says "Ethernet"

You should see a number called "Ethernet ID:" - it will look something like this 00:0a:95:12:34:56 - this is a MAC address, and it is the number you will need to tell your ISP.

Note that when you go wireless, the Airport interface will have a different MAC address - you can get this in the same way, but choosing "Airport" rather than "Built-in Ethernet".

Now - how confusing would this have been if you didn't know the difference between MAC and Mac? :D

My ISP is Telewest. Thanks for the advice, I'll try it out when I get my Powerbook. Sounds pretty straight forward - but I'll see! The 'Mac' 'MAC' issue kinda makes some sense in this case.
I'm used to using macs at University, so i'm used to where to find everything and how it differs, but just not too sure with the technical side of it. If I get any problems I'll let you know - my orders not shipping for another 2-3 days! So I just have to wait!