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Old Apr 29, 2012, 09:09 PM   #1
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Nokia responds to junk rating status

http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-respond...credit-status/

An example of cost-cutting: http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/29/29...le-200-million
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Old Apr 29, 2012, 09:41 PM   #2
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Well they *should* do some damage-control.

But in the end it's just a lot of talk.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._phone_7_.html
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Well they *should* do some damage-control.

But in the end it's just a lot of talk.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._phone_7_.html
You really doubt Elop has a plan?
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Old Apr 29, 2012, 11:11 PM   #4
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You really doubt Elop has a plan?
July 2007:

"You really doubt Ballsilie and Laziridis have a plan?"

Spring 2009

"You really doubt Jon Rubinstein has a plan?"

2006

"You really doubt Ballmer has a plan?"

(fast forward a bit):

http://www.neowin.net/news/zune-play...y-discontinued

MS/Nokia will reach a point where if WP7 doesn't gain traction *by then*, it will *never* gain traction meaningful enough to warrant continuation of the project. I don't know where that point is. But in these new market dynamics, if you wait too long, if your product has gone too long without making big, transformative waves, it's doomed. This isn't 15 years ago. Or even 5 years ago.

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Old Apr 30, 2012, 04:01 AM   #5
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July 2007:

"You really doubt Ballsilie and Laziridis have a plan?"

Spring 2009

"You really doubt Jon Rubinstein has a plan?"

2006

"You really doubt Ballmer has a plan?"

(fast forward a bit):

http://www.neowin.net/news/zune-play...y-discontinued

MS/Nokia will reach a point where if WP7 doesn't gain traction *by then*, it will *never* gain traction meaningful enough to warrant continuation of the project. I don't know where that point is. But in these new market dynamics, if you wait too long, if your product has gone too long without making big, transformative waves, it's doomed. This isn't 15 years ago. Or even 5 years ago.
By that logic, the Mac would've ceased to exist a decade ago, or more.
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By that logic, the Mac would've ceased to exist a decade ago, or more.
Except Apple's plan was to hire Steve Jobs, and they purchased NeXT.

There is no Steve Jobs-type figure today. All these confused, late, flummoxed competitors are left to look to each other - laterally - for help. And when nearly everyone's out to lunch, that isn't a very successful strategy. But they don't have much choice.
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Old Apr 30, 2012, 07:45 AM   #7
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To some extent, Nokia communicated the transition to WP7 was going to be rocky and that 2012 was going to be a difficult year. The question is, this - does Nokia have enough time/cash in the bank to grow its marketshare or has the market moved beyond them? Some of its latest WP7 phones have been excellent products but they still have not caught the eye of the consumer. Whether that's because of WP7's Metro UI being so different, or because the industry has firmed up with two major players?

Verizon may be the wild card in this, up till now they've been very cool to the prospect of WP7 phones, but they've since mention that it may be time to embrace WP7 and if that's the case, that will give Nokia another possible carrier to sell its products.
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Well they *should* do some damage-control.

But in the end it's just a lot of talk.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._phone_7_.html
WHAT?! You mean people in NA didn't buy Nokia phones in the quarter before a MAJOR release?

Nokia isn't exactly dying, and by all accounts, the Lumia 900 is selling pretty well.
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WHAT?! You mean people in NA didn't buy Nokia phones in the quarter before a MAJOR release?

Nokia isn't exactly dying, and by all accounts, the Lumia 900 is selling pretty well.
You mean a phone which costs more than $200 to make is selling "well" when subsidised at $99 and further entitling to a $100 credit because of a bug?

It's not "well" when you see what their last Symbian flagship sold in its first quarter before the self-inflicted debacle.
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You mean a phone which costs more than $200 to make is selling "well" when subsidised at $99 and further entitling to a $100 credit because of a bug?

It's not "well" when you see what their last Symbian flagship sold in its first quarter before the self-inflicted debacle.

Subsidies only matter to the carrier, Nokia still gets that money. Oh, and the credit was only for a limited time, and probably did more good through the PR it received.
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Subsidies only matter to the carrier, Nokia still gets that money. Oh, and the credit was only for a limited time, and probably did more good through the PR it received.
The point is how much are people willing to pay for a Windows phone.

Nokia's real ASP has been going down since the debacle started.
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I hope Nokia survives, I like the company.
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Old Apr 30, 2012, 01:35 PM   #13
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The point is how much are people willing to pay for a Windows phone.

Nokia's real ASP has been going down since the debacle started.
WP7 is pretty good, and Apollo is supposed to take it up a few dozen notches or so. The problem has been the carriers: until recently, anyway, and that's about to change.
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WP7 is pretty good, and Apollo is supposed to take it up a few dozen notches or so. The problem has been the carriers: until recently, anyway, and that's about to change.
Nokia had a problem in the US with the carriers.

Now, they not only have to worry about the carriers, but also about the people who want REAL Nokia, not Microsoft.
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but also about the people who want REAL Nokia, not Microsoft.
Most people don't really care, as long as it works with their stuff. It's the people on forums like this who care about what OS it runs. Nokia is known for making a great phone, and the Lumia is the best phone I've used since my last Nokia.
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Most people don't really care, as long as it works with their stuff. It's the people on forums like this who care about what OS it runs. Nokia is known for making a great phone, and the Lumia is the best phone I've used since my last Nokia.
Microsoft is a bad brand.
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Baaa.
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Baaa.
Are you sure?





Apple users seem to be the Rams among the Sheep. With iOS as the standout product, using mobile tech to chip away at the traditional Desktop paradigm that MS and their users are anchored to.

From Mr. Windows himself:

Mac OS users have made a conscious technology choice and are therefore typically better informed than their peers.
- Paul Thurrott, December 06, 2004
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Are you sure?

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Apple users seem to be the Rams among the Sheep. With iOS as the standout product, using mobile tech to chip away at the traditional Desktop paradigm that MS and their users are anchored to.

From Mr. Windows himself:

Mac OS users have made a conscious technology choice and are therefore typically better informed than their peers.
- Paul Thurrott, December 06, 2004
"Thurrott, writes, Im sure what it boils down to is that Firefox users are smarter, in general, than IE users. One might compare Firefox users to Mac users in this case: Like Mac OS users, Firefox users have made a conscious technology choice and are therefore typically better informed than their peers."

Way to paraphrase there. Not quite the same thing though, is it?

There are a number of ways to take that statement, it doesn't surprise me that you've been completely blind to the fact that he is in fact referring to Firefox users.
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"Thurrott, writes, Im sure what it boils down to is that Firefox users are smarter, in general, than IE users. One might compare Firefox users to Mac users in this case: Like Mac OS users, Firefox users have made a conscious technology choice and are therefore typically better informed than their peers."

Way to paraphrase there. Not quite the same thing though, is it?
It's exactly the same thing.
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It's exactly the same thing.
It isn't.
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These days, I don't believe, for one second, that most iDevice users have even researched their choices. They are just going with the flow and want a wow factor, because frankly, our society is too vain to make their own choice.

Years ago, Mac OS users were a different breed. They researched the difference between a G3 and a Pentium II and OS 9 and Windows. These days, I doubt most iPad users could tell you what iOS they are running.

Thurrott's quote really doesn't apply these days. iDevices are for the masses, not the technology savvy.
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These days, I don't believe, for one second, that most iDevice users have even researched their choices. They are just going with the flow and want a wow factor, because frankly, our society is too vain to make their own choice.
Latest and Greatest disorder. I know people who bought the Polycarbonate MacBook because it was white.

To somehow suggest all Mac users are more informed is total rubbish.
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Latest and Greatest disorder. I know people who bought the Polycarbonate MacBook because it was white.

To somehow suggest all Mac users are more informed is total rubbish.
These days, it doesn't make sense. In 2004, it was quite the different landscape with PPC processors and OS X 10.3. There was no form of emulating Windows, IIRC.
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You mean a phone which costs more than $200 to make is selling "well" when subsidised at $99 and further entitling to a $100 credit because of a bug?

It's not "well" when you see what their last Symbian flagship sold in its first quarter before the self-inflicted debacle.
Do you people honestly think that the $200 you pay for the handset is what it actually costs to make?

If that is the case, why is the $199 iPhone $649 when you buy it without a contract?
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