Steve Jobs' Yacht 'Venus' Launched in the Netherlands

[faroZ06]

Man, this thing looks like what would result if Toyota made a Prius yacht. Ugly as can be.

[aristotle]

Originally Posted by faroZ06

So you can't provide an example of some propaganda that supports something along the lines of "People who hire Chinese workers help the workers and the economy."? Oh my. I don't even see how it's possible to have propaganda for something that is FACTUALLY CORRECT. Hiring people means that you pay them money, not charge them money.

Well, I have some propaganda that says that those people are evil and harmful, so if anything, I'd say that you're following the propaganda:
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In case you're wondering, I don't watch the biased Fox News. I get my news from the LA Times, KPCC public radio, and KCAL9/CBS.

Take a look at that student at the bottom. Now I ask you this question. Who held a gun to his head to go to school and incur that debt? Who's fault is it that he is not motivated or talented enough to get a job to pay off those loans after graduating?

The entire blame rests on himself. He needs to man up and do whatever it takes to succeed at his chosen career path. If he cannot do that then I guess he chose poorly. He then needs to lower his expectations and find whatever job he can to pay off that debt and get back on his feet.

He might have to leave his comfort zone and move to another city, state or even country.

The fact that he is a member of the Socialist Party seems to show that he is a lazy bastard who expects a job to be handed to him on a silver platter because he has a "degree".

[Lancer]

Originally Posted by Artmunkee

I wonder if they will be able to replace the battery or will they have to build another yacht.

No but you can't believe how hard it is to take into the local Apple store

[ditzel]

So it looks like a floating Apple store. Not my kind of a sea vessel, but that's a matter of taste. If I were a multibillionaire.....

[louis Fashion]

Originally Posted by x13gamer

I should at Least have the brand new Thin flat screen iMacs Those machines dont need optical drives to control a boat.

Wrong, how are they going to rip a CD to iTunes?

[faroZ06]

Originally Posted by aristotle

The fact that he is a member of the Socialist Party seems to show that he is a lazy **** who expects a job to be handed to him on a silver platter because he has a "degree".

That I agree with, but that wasn't my point. That other guy thinks that I'm "drinking the free-market Koolaid" because I said that hiring Chinese workers helps them. Isn't it a fact that giving someone a job helps them even if it earns nowhere near decent wage? At least they have an option.

So then I put the Occupy Wall Street signs there just to show that the only propaganda that exists here is propaganda against capitalism or big corporations. The news depicted OWS as heros, and isn't the big company always the bad guy in every movie? He couldn't give any examples of propaganda that I might be falling for. I ignore propaganda anyway...

[yankinwaoz]

so, you're saying this yacht can't cross the atlantic, then?

I think it could. And the Titanic could too. The problem is when things don't work out as planned. That is when a well engineered and built boat with calm and experienced crew makes the difference between life and death.

I personally would not trust my life on this vessel for a transoceanic voyage. Hell, I'd wouldn't trust taking that thing out to the Farallons.

[alfistas]

Originally Posted by ChrisA

Not really better. Have you ever been on a yacht that size at sea. I don't mean a harbor cruise or a dockside tour. I mean "at sea". If you have you'd know in a minuet your die on that thing. The main trouble is the huge open spaces where you'd get tossed 20 feet into a well. Boats made for the open ocen have grab rails and smaller internal spaces.

Also the extream width means the boat will roll badly and make the crew sick.

THis thing is designed for flat protected water and us at the dock. Ocen going boats are more narrow

I'm no expert but the interweb tells a different story. This is taken directly from the manufacturer's website:

Superyacht Adastra, 42.5m Power Trimaran
Described by Boat International as "one of the world's most amazing super yachts, that could spell the future for efficient long range cruising", the striking 42.5m Trimaran Adastra has recently been launched in China for Hong Kong clients Anto and Elaine Marden.
"Adastra" is the result of more than five years of design and discussion with the owners, to build a yacht that meets the needs of a very experienced ocean voyaging couple and their family, and to provide the level of comfort and style that would be expected in a yacht of this class and size.


Don't be offended but I think I'll take their word over yours...

[AidenShaw]

Originally Posted by yankinwaoz

I personally would not trust my life on this vessel for a transoceanic voyage. Hell, I'd wouldn't trust taking that thing out to the Farallons.

I'm a scuba diver, and prefer to take "liveaboard" cruises. These are typically smaller yachts (40m to 50m) that are basically dive hotels.

Most of them are transported from the shipyard to the destination on the deck of a cargo ship - a 40m yacht is too small for the open ocean if conditions get rough.

One of the scuba boats recently moved from Tahiti to Fiji. It made the run in the water, but waited for the calm season and for good weather forecasts for the calm season.

And having been on these yachts in some very rough weather (typhoons in Australia), those big walls of glass facing the front scare the bejesus out of me.

If Laurene Jobs' "Venus" ever visits the Farallons, it will have been carried to San Francisco on top of a real ship.

[AidenShaw]

Can the editors at MR stop with the stories that refer to Steve Jobs in the present tense? The man passed over a year ago.

This is Laurene Powell Jobs' yacht - Steve is gone.

[waloshin]

Originally Posted by Akuratyde

How did it not? Apple didn't pay for this, Jobs did.

It was his money not his families.

[AidenShaw]

Originally Posted by waloshin

It was his money not his families.

Did he pay for it from the other world? Does PayPal have a plugin for the after-life?

Laurene wrote the final check. It was definitely his family's money.

This "Steve Jobs in the present tense" stuff is getting creepy - it's time to switch to the past tense or some of the subjunctive verbs.

[xSinghx]

Originally Posted by faroZ06

That I agree with, but that wasn't my point. That other guy thinks that I'm "drinking the free-market Koolaid" because I said that hiring Chinese workers helps them. Isn't it a fact that giving someone a job helps them even if it earns nowhere near decent wage? At least they have an option.

So then I put the Occupy Wall Street signs there just to show that the only propaganda that exists here is propaganda against capitalism or big corporations. The news depicted OWS as heros, and isn't the big company always the bad guy in every movie? He couldn't give any examples of propaganda that I might be falling for. I ignore propaganda anyway...

At this point you've proven yourself beyond susceptible to rational argument or reasonability so I won't be bothering beyond this. I've already gone over your hackneyed recital of 'job creator' myths and linked it to it's ideology.

Two things.

One. You of course are assuming that by forcing people out of a one way of life into an industrialized one with pollution and factories that pay them slave wages that this is somehow better because they can eat at McDonalds or save enough to eventually buy a consumer product as if that defines a worthwhile existence. Clearly for you it does as you're awash in this consumerist narrative that has been fed to you your entire life and are pitching us here.

Two. In your world view slavery would actually cash out to be an improvement. In a slave wage economy the capitalist simply replaces used or broken down workers with new ones. He has no responsibility or care for their humanity or welfare so long as he is working under whatever meager law if any (preferably none) is administered. When slavery did exist there was a financial incentive for the slave holder to make sure his slaves had basic needs health and welfare were met. The fact that your absent minded views permit slavery to be a better option to what you're suggesting should be enough of an embarrassment to prevent you from spilling any more of your adolescent views onto the rest of us but I think you've proven yourself the typical American already. Willfully ignorant and dangerously arrogant.

[faroZ06]

Originally Posted by xSinghx

At this point you've proven yourself beyond susceptible to rational argument or reasonability so I won't be bothering beyond this. I've already gone over your hackneyed recital of 'job creator' myths and linked it to it's ideology.

Two things.

One. You of course are assuming that by forcing people out of a one way of life into an industrialized one with pollution and factories that pay them slave wages that this is somehow better because they can eat at McDonalds or save enough to eventually buy a consumer product as if that defines a worthwhile existence. Clearly for you it does as you're awash in this consumerist narrative that has been fed to you your entire life and are pitching us here.

Two. In your world view slavery would actually cash out to be an improvement. In a slave wage economy the capitalist simply replaces used or broken down workers with new ones. He has no responsibility or care for their humanity or welfare so long as he is working under whatever meager law if any (preferably none) is administered. When slavery did exist there was a financial incentive for the slave holder to make sure his slaves had basic needs health and welfare were met. The fact that your absent minded views permit slavery to be a better option to what you're suggesting should be enough of an embarrassment to prevent you from spilling any more of your adolescent views onto the rest of us but I think you've proven yourself the typical American already. Willfully ignorant and dangerously arrogant.

WTF? I'm not saying any of that, and I don't even like the idea of Chinese goods being imported to the US since it is virtual slavery, FYI. I'm just saying that paying someone helps them, and you seem to think that hiring a Chinese worker to build a boat hurts that worker, but by logic, it doesn't. Really, quit trying to turn everything into some political argument.

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Originally Posted by AidenShaw

This "Steve Jobs in the present tense" stuff is getting creepy - it's time to switch to the past tense or some of the subjunctive verbs.

Just wondering, do/did you take Latin classes?

[Vandefilm]

[QUOTE=faroZ06;16193673]
I'm just saying that paying someone helps them, and you seem to think that hiring a Chinese worker to build a boat hurts that worker, but by logic, it doesn't.
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This isn't true by definition. If paying someone 'helps them' in every case, then paying a chinese working 1 dollar a day is 'helping them'. In that case, paying a 10 year old child in afrika 2 cents per lifted stone is 'helping them'. Just paying someone doesn't necessarily mean you 'help them'. I think that's the only thing he is saying.
If you only want that kind of logic, become friends with Tuvok. By logic, you hurt the chinese worker by paying him a slavery-wage for building a boat when he could also do something else or get payed a normal wage.

[faroZ06]

Originally Posted by Vandefilm

This isn't true by definition. If paying someone 'helps them' in every case, then paying a chinese working 1 dollar a day is 'helping them'. In that case, paying a 10 year old child in afrika 2 cents per lifted stone is 'helping them'. Just paying someone doesn't necessarily mean you 'help them'. I think that's the only thing he is saying.
If you only want that kind of logic, become friends with Tuvok. By logic, you hurt the chinese worker by paying him a slavery-wage for building a boat when he could also do something else or get payed a normal wage.

No, that's not hurting him even if you pay $0.0001/year. You're giving the worker another option. The pay may suck, but you're not forcing him to take the job. So the act of building a boat and putting a "help wanted" ad or whatever to get Chinese workers to build it does not hurt anyone.

In case you still don't see why it's factually correct that hiring Chinese workers does not hurt them, I'll give you an example. Right now, I am officially offering you a job. If you repair my bike, I will pay you $0.01. It has messed up brakes, so they need to be fixed. Did I just hurt your situation in any way? All I did was give you the option of taking a terrible job that you'd probably not do. Even if you decided to take it, hey, that's your choice, not mine.

Also, when an employer hires Chinese workers, this causes the supply for workers to decrease, which eventually creates higher wages. Plus, those workers get a job that they have the option of taking. I'm not saying that it's fair that Chinese workers have to work hard and get paid little. It's not fair. But (insert company here) hiring workers in China will actually help people, not hurt them.

[28Gauge]

Originally Posted by faroZ06

No, that's not hurting him even if you pay $0.0001/year. You're giving the worker another option. The pay may suck, but you're not forcing him to take the job. So the act of building a boat and putting a "help wanted" ad or whatever to get Chinese workers to build it does not hurt anyone.

In case you still don't see why it's factually correct that hiring Chinese workers does not hurt them, I'll give you an example. Right now, I am officially offering you a job. If you repair my bike, I will pay you $0.01. It has messed up brakes, so they need to be fixed. Did I just hurt your situation in any way? All I did was give you the option of taking a terrible job that you'd probably not do. Even if you decided to take it, hey, that's your choice, not mine.

Also, when an employer hires Chinese workers, this causes the supply for workers to decrease, which eventually creates higher wages. Plus, those workers get a job that they have the option of taking. I'm not saying that it's fair that Chinese workers have to work hard and get paid little. It's not fair. But (insert company here) hiring workers in China will actually help people, not hurt them.

The work must be desirable to some extent, otherwise the jobs wouldn't be filled and there would be no workers lined up outside the gate more than to accept such jobs. As far as the jobs being paid little (compared to the US?), is the cost of living in those poor paying countries being factored in by those who are so concerned? The phrase "economies of scale" comes to mind. I'm all for everyone making the most money that they can make; but in China, Foxconn or whoever are paying market wages.

[Mrbobb]

Doesn't look like a Job's design. Doesn't look "elegant" to me.

At least Tom perkins' Maltese Falcon is a cool computer-controller sail boat.

[koollectablz]

Originally Posted by aristotle

Yes, because all you should care about is what "other" people think of your boat rather than how enjoyable it is for the people on board.

You might feel the need to compensate for your shortcomings but not everyone is interested in showing off for others.

Think about it for a minute, would you spend a lot of money on a boat that looked attractive to make people jealous while not serving your comfort needs when you are onboard?

Personally, if I was as rich as Jobs was, I would not give a rat's arse what people like you thought. I would create a boat for my family to enjoy.

I dunno what shortcomings you think you're on about, but I've got a pair of eyes and that boat is hideous.

I certainly don't need to think about for a minute or even another second longer, it's stunningly awful and should be scrapped.