Go Back   MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Dec 14, 2012, 01:29 PM   #251
hlfway2anywhere
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beezzy View Post
I'm sorry but
1) This is a given
2) If you bought a 1st gen iPad Mini, you're an idiot who's asking to get disappointed when the new one comes out with a Retina display
3) You're rich and have the Mini and will buy the new one next year anyways cause you can.
in your inability to be reasonable, you forgot

4) You bought an iPad mini because it works for you and don't really care if the next revision has a retina display because that wasn't important to you.

which is the category i fall under.
hlfway2anywhere is offline   5 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 01:37 PM   #252
Goratrix
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by osofast240sx View Post
Not true, apple can use whatever resolution they want. But doubling the mini resolution just as they did with the iPad 3&4 would be the easiest.
The can't. There is no way to scale existing apps to different resolutions. Anything else than a 2x (or 4x) scaling is impossible (well, it's technically possible but it would look terrible). Why do you think did they do the iPhone 5 the way they did? They wanted to make the screen bigger but they could not increase the resolution in both directions.
Goratrix is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 01:42 PM   #253
saturn88
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by mabhatter View Post
Second, Apple had to build a new way of stacking the LCD elements just to squeeze them in..For ipad3. That meant they had to juice up the LED backlight to get the same screen brightness. Even with the move to LED, backlight is in the top of the list for battery killing items. Apple would want the lowest dpi they could get away with and still call it "Retina" to let as much light thru the panel as they can. They might pull an iPhone 5 and do a laminated screen/front glass... That would help with lighting as well.

So within those constraints, Apple most surely WILL update the screen, it wont be the crazy high numbers of Retina iPad to keep battery weight similar. Of course Apple may keep iPad mini as the line for "cheap seats" and keep the Retina screens as the "Pro" level iPad. Much like Apple keeps the plain MacBook line around with its really lame resolution because it does the job and SELLS like crazy at that price.
At some point when production capacity will be available, Apple will move to some flavor of OLED , e.g. AMOLED. OLED has no backlight so it can be thinner, plus on average content brightness it is more power efficient: perfect for mobile devices.
__________________
.
Mac IIcx, Mac Quadra 800, Mac Performa 5200 , Power Mac 8600, LaserWriter, iPhone 3G, iPad 3G, iPhone 4S
MacBook Pro, 27" iMac, iPad 3 LTE

Last edited by saturn88; Dec 14, 2012 at 01:50 PM.
saturn88 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 01:57 PM   #254
mcdj
macrumors 604
 
mcdj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: NYC
Quote:
Originally Posted by macs4nw View Post
Why are these rumors coming out now already? Way to put a damper on those holiday sales.
My wife would much prefer an ipad mini under the tree next week than a rumor of an ipad mini retina coming who knows when. Not sure how you even wrap a rumor.
__________________
Great cage! No bird...
50f/2
mcdj is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 02:05 PM   #255
patseguin
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
IMO, the next mini MUST have a Retina display otherwise don't bother. The Nexus 7 has an ultra high resolution display and while the device is thicker, it is just as light. I love everything about my mini except for the display.
__________________
2011 15" MacBook Pro, i7 2.2GHz, 1 TB SSD/HD hybrid drive, 8GB RAM
2 AppleTV's (living room and bedroom)
iPhone 6 white/gold iOS 8.1
iPad Air 2 128GB space grey iOS 8.1
patseguin is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 02:39 PM   #256
ValO
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Not possible?

I am not a technician.
But please can someone explain, how it is possible that apple can get a 1136x640 in a small and thin device like an iPod touch or an iPhone 5 with bettter SOC and more memory and a very small battery? And gsm electronics(iPhone 5).
And this wouldn't t be possible in a device that is 3,5 x the size(roughly) than this new iPod touch or iPhone 5?

Why would this be impossible?
The battery could also be 3,5 x the size of an iPhone or iPod touch.


If you 4 iPod touches together, they will still work, the screens will not work as one unit, but you get the same footprint as an ipad mini with 4 LEDs , 4 a5 or a6 chips, microphones, etc. and this is possible.( not practical and i just state this as an example)

An oppo 5 with a 5 inch 1920x1080p screen is possible right now. So an 8 inch 2048x1536 isn' t?

I think it is possible. It is just expensive and difficult to manufacture. But technically impossible?
No it isn't ......

Last edited by ValO; Dec 14, 2012 at 02:48 PM.
ValO is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 02:51 PM   #257
MythicFrost
macrumors 68040
 
MythicFrost's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Australia
Quote:
Originally Posted by ValO View Post
I am not a technician.
But please can someone explain, how it is possible that apple can get a 1136x640 in a small and thin device like an iPod touch or an iPhone 5 with bettter SOC and more memory and a very small battery? And gsm electronics(iPhone 5).
And this wouldn't t be possible in a device that is 3,5 x the size(roughly) than this new iPod touch or iPhone 5?

Why would this be impossible?
The battery could also be 3,5 x the size of an iPhone or iPod touch.

I think it is possible. It is just expensive and difficult to manufacture. But technically impossible?
No it isn't ......
The size of the screen is the very reason why it's so difficult. The backlight in the iPad mini is substantially more powerful than that in the iPhone 4S/5. That means a lot more heat and power consumption. If you look at the display backlight power draw at max brightness and battery capacity of some iDevices you can see why it will be difficult:

iPhone 4S: 0.42 Whr / 6 Whr battery
iPhone 5: ~0.75 Whr / 6 Whr battery
iPad 2: 2.7 Whr / 25 Whr battery
iPad mini: 2.3 Whr / 16 Whr battery
iPad 3: 7 Whr / 42.5 Whr battery

Adding a Retina display on an iPad mini would cause power consumption to shoot up to ~6 Whr, and heat output would become much greater as well. And that's with only a 16 Whr battery. To have similar battery life as it does now it would need a ~40 Whr battery, and at best you could cram a 25 Whr battery in there.

The only way Retina is going to happen on the mini, is if they find a way to reduce power consumption for the display by a substantial amount. Drop it down to ~3.5 Whr and put battery capacity at 25 Whr and that might be okay. Still be a bit heavier and hotter, but it'll be all right.
__________________
(Log Book Buddy) - (Quick Kana)
MythicFrost is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:43 PM   #258
zombierunner
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
ya don't say!
zombierunner is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:43 PM   #259
dampfnudel
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Quote:
Originally Posted by mantan View Post
And the same people who are saying 'it's not that bad, I don't even notice it' will suddenly rave about how 'amazing' the Retina version is.

Just like they a lot of folks around here mocked the idea of a smaller tablet and now say 'it's the perfect size'.....
True dat. Any person that reviews the iPad mini and says the display is good enough, don't worry about it will probably be one of the first to get a retina mini when it gets released.
dampfnudel is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 05:05 PM   #260
Shearwater
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Leeds , West Yorkshire
Quote:
Originally Posted by theSeb View Post
That is exactly what you implied. You feel that a company is screwing a customer by releasing a new version of the product that you bought. That is 13 year old logic right there.

Since you have forgotten what you typed, let me remind you:



Screwed again with another iPad launch? Why are people getting screwed because technology is moving forward? My point was that just because a newer version of the product is out, it does not immediately make the one you have completely useless. You can still use it. Unless you are 13 years old.
..and in all of that,where have I said anything will become useless? Try answering without using the word imply and stick to fact
Shearwater is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 05:11 PM   #261
Freyqq
macrumors 68040
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
If they do offer a retina iPad mini, it'll prob be $400+. They'd prob also sell a nonretina one for the current price or maybe a little cheaper.
Freyqq is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 05:11 PM   #262
Beezzy
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by hlfway2anywhere View Post
in your inability to be reasonable, you forgot

4) You bought an iPad mini because it works for you and don't really care if the next revision has a retina display because that wasn't important to you.

which is the category i fall under.
Well Im sorry you spend at least $330 on an iPad thats not worth its value. Also an A5 chip with 512MB of Ram is asking for the same fate as the iPad 1.
__________________
Late 2011 15" MacBook Pro, 2.4GHz i7, 8GB RAM, 750GB HD, AMD HD6770 w/1GB VRAM
VZW iPhone 5 64GB Black/Slate
iPad 4 32GB Black Apple TV3
Beezzy is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 05:20 PM   #263
theSeb
macrumors 603
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Poole, England
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shearwater View Post
..and in all of that,where have I said anything will become useless? Try answering without using the word imply and stick to fact
It has been a long time since I've seen the Chewbacca defence.
__________________
What is Other on my HDD?
Throttling, overheating and Geekbench
theSeb is online now   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 05:29 PM   #264
Drag'nGT
macrumors 68000
 
Drag'nGT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
I will buy one when released. I didn't realize how much I liked the smaller, lighter mini until I held one.
__________________
You had me at
In love with my rMBP.
Drag'nGT is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 05:42 PM   #265
ttexxan
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
No duh really....Its all about the money guys....Does this really surprise you.
ttexxan is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 06:03 PM   #266
dampfnudel
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Quote:
Originally Posted by hlfway2anywhere View Post
in your inability to be reasonable, you forgot

4) You bought an iPad mini because it works for you and don't really care if the next revision has a retina display because that wasn't important to you.

which is the category i fall under.
You say you don't care now, but be honest with us, there's a part of you that wishes your mini had a retina display. Also, when the retina mini comes out, I know you'll wish you could upgrade (or maybe you will). I understand the size/portability/comfort won you over and you didn't want to wait another year for a proper retina display...if it even takes that long for a retina mini to surface. I'm having this iPad 3 feeling with the first gen iPad mini. I like the mini, but after playing with one at the Apple store for an hour, I couldn't see myself using/owning one without a retina display. I have to wait.
__________________
iPhone 5s (64GB) | iPad Air (128GB)
dampfnudel is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 07:24 PM   #267
AdonisSMU
macrumors 68030
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by fdv View Post
While it's obvious that everybody wants this to happen, and I'm sure it will happen eventually, I tend to agree with Anandtech. I think if it were feesable to add a retina display within the next year, Apple would have just done it with the original iPad Mini. I expect it will take a couple of years to develop a high res display for the Mini without compromising on its excellent weight and thickness.

Maybe I'm being naive, and it's possible to make one now, and Apple just released a low-res version first so people would shell out more money on the next one, but part of me still likes to think that Apple like making good products, and they would have done it already if it was possible.
Exactly. The tech isnt quite there yet. Everyone here knows it. It is just something else for people to gripe about. Apple would love to say the mini has the best screen around.
AdonisSMU is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 08:19 PM   #268
Dorje Sylas
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by dampfnudel View Post
True dat. Any person that reviews the iPad mini and says the display is good enough, don't worry about it will probably be one of the first to get a retina mini when it gets released.
I don't generally trust tech reviewers anymore. Most get their device buys subsidized and don't have to pay out of pocket like the rest of us. Thus they can 'afford' to 'buy' every latest interation of a device to come out. It colors their thinking on long term 3 to 5+ year use considerations.
Dorje Sylas is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 08:35 PM   #269
Doc750
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
And iPad mini 3 will have a faster processor. I'm so sick of apple's incremental updates ans constantly nickel and diming it's users.
Doc750 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 09:26 PM   #270
Wicked1
macrumors 68040
 
Wicked1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Jersey
That is what I have been waiting for, then once retina is on the iPad Mini, order me up a Black 32 GB WiFi please.
__________________
iPhone 5 16GB White
2012 MacBook Pro 13" 2.5/4GB/240GB SSD
Wicked1 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 10:43 PM   #271
Dusky600
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Portugal
Once this goes Retina im grabbing one !
Dusky600 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 10:49 PM   #272
xofruitcake
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by patseguin View Post
IMO, the next mini MUST have a Retina display otherwise don't bother. The Nexus 7 has an ultra high resolution display and while the device is thicker, it is just as light. I love everything about my mini except for the display.
And do Nexus 7 has 270,000 Apps designed for it? It is part of Apple marketing PR but it is also the truth. Android maker optimize the hardware design. They bring out device with various resolution and form factor. It work great for some app but terrible for others. And if you are an app developer, you would to change all your image for different display resolution and form factor to make them look good. It is an impossible situation for app developers, so they put out a few versions of their images and just do auto expand for the rest of device resolution. And you end up with a lot of complaint about apps that looks terrible in some device. Apple decide to optimize app experience and make sure their device has only a few variation of display resolution and size to make app design easier. And users end up with more consistent app experience. At the end, users have to decide if the native device experience is more important their app experience.
xofruitcake is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 11:55 PM   #273
iLLUMI
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamcha View Post
I think we all know the next iPad Mini will have a Retina display..
Exactly! I agree totally! What would be the point of releasing another iPad mini, 6 to 9 months down the track, if it doesnt have any new features.
A lot of people want Retina. Retina should simply be the standard across all devices. If there is a higher standard out there then people are going to want that standard. Why should they/we settle from sub standard!

So if/when Apple release the first Apple TV is it going to be a CRT screen?? LOL
Or CFL back lit LCD?? lol
Or even worse, will it be black and white TV with a colour version planned for the third gen?? Heheheh.

I'm happy to part with my money to buy an iPad Mini, even though I don't really need one. But I wont buy one when I know Apple can give it better specks.
iLLUMI is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 11:57 PM   #274
mabhatter
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goratrix View Post
The can't. There is no way to scale existing apps to different resolutions. Anything else than a 2x (or 4x) scaling is impossible (well, it's technically possible but it would look terrible). Why do you think did they do the iPhone 5 the way they did? They wanted to make the screen bigger but they could not increase the resolution in both directions.
But once the app is Retina based, the GUI is drawn at native resolution and images are scaled. Take the "scaling" options on the Retina MacBooks and how easily they added a smaller one. They could easily do something like 1.5x (see my earlier post) and just scale down elements from iPad Retina apps. 2D scaling down is pretty cheap to do in hardware... You just really don't want to go higher resolutions.
mabhatter is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 14, 2012, 11:59 PM   #275
iLLUMI
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dusky600 View Post
Once this goes Retina im grabbing one !
Once this goes Retina I'm buying one for myself and a couple for family as presents.
iLLUMI is offline   0 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Will the iPAD MINI 2 have 'retina' display and A6? Should I wait to buy the mini? saintforlife iPad 71 Jun 26, 2014 07:23 PM
iPad: ipad mini retina display Dentifrice iPad 10 Feb 8, 2014 05:46 AM
iPad Mini: If iPad Mini Case works on iPad Mini with retina display ? engagemawu iPad Accessories 4 Oct 23, 2013 03:13 PM
iPad Mini: iPad Mini with Retina Display? kzhlin iPad 8 Mar 3, 2013 11:23 AM
iPad Mini Display vs Retina Display ghsNick iPad 78 Oct 28, 2012 02:21 PM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:33 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC