AllofMp3.com Sued for $1.65 Trillion!

DeSnousa · Dec 22, 2006, 10:28 PM

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The RIAA is suing the website AllofMP3.com on behalf of EMI, Sony BMG, Universal Music, and Warner Music in the amount of $150,000 for each of the 11 million songs that were downloaded from June to October of 2006. That comes to a lawsuit totaling $1.65 trillion!

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While I don't like AlloMp3.com (unlike the author of the article), the RIAA is up them selves if they think they can sue for that much. That's more money then most countries GDP figures

adrianblaine · Dec 22, 2006, 10:35 PM

It is probably more symbolic than anything right now... Maybe they thought they most likely wouldn't win so why not go a little extreme?

Max Payne · Dec 22, 2006, 10:41 PM

I hope RIAA lose and burn in hell.

dornoforpyros · Dec 22, 2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Max Payne

I hope RIAA lose and burn in hell.

Actually I'd say this is one the law suit where the RIAA has any reason to be sueing. At least their not sueing a college student onto the streets or sueing the dead.

not that they shouldn't burn in hell, I'm just saying this is one lawsuit they "should" win.

dukebound85 · Dec 22, 2006, 11:04 PM

how can a site not in the US be sued by US companies and organizations using US laws?

Seems kinda just a bit out of their jurisdiction unless someone has some enlightenment for me

Spock · Dec 23, 2006, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dukebound85

how can a site not in the US be sued by US companies and organizations using US laws?

Seems kinda just a bit out of their jurisdiction unless someone has some enlightenment for me

They are the RIAA, they can do what they want.

Diatribe · Dec 23, 2006, 12:11 AM

Yeah, Russia is just gonna let them go ahead with that...

katie ta achoo · Dec 23, 2006, 12:25 AM

*stutters* t-t-t-TRILLION??

I know this is just a preliminary figure and go way way down, but STILL!!

$150k for EACH SONG?

Like the artist will see any of it.. HAH!

EricNau · Dec 23, 2006, 12:31 AM

I hope they win.

OutThere · Dec 23, 2006, 12:46 AM

I love the RIAA and their big bad wolf tactics.

The harder they blow the stronger the little piggies will make their house.

princealfie · Dec 23, 2006, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by OutThere

I love the RIAA and their big bad wolf tactics.

The harder they blow the stronger the little piggies will make their house.

******* the RIAA. That's it for right now.

iMeowbot · Dec 23, 2006, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by katie ta achoo

$150k for EACH SONG?

That's the maximum statutory rate, but as you'll see there, the court gets a lot of discretion.

aspro · Dec 23, 2006, 01:10 AM

Thats absolutely incredible, just out of interest, does anyone have any rough ideas on how long would it take the RIAA members to gain that much revenue?

DeSnousa · Dec 23, 2006, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by aspro

Thats absolutely incredible, just out of interest, does anyone have any rough ideas on how long would it take the RIAA members to gain that much revenue?

No idea, but if the RIAA was a country it would be the 8th richest country by GDP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_GDP_(nominal)

iMeowbot · Dec 23, 2006, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by aspro

Thats absolutely incredible, just out of interest, does anyone have any rough ideas on how long would it take the RIAA members to gain that much revenue?

Annual combined wholesale for RIAA members in 2005 was about $7 billion. Just for an idea of scale, that's about half of the revenues Apple Computer pulled in for FY 2005.

jessica. · Dec 23, 2006, 03:04 AM

I love the RIAA, they keep things interesting.

Counterfit · Dec 23, 2006, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dornoforpyros

Actually I'd say this is one the law suit where the RIAA has any reason to be sueing. At least their not sueing a college student onto the streets or sueing the dead.

not that they shouldn't burn in hell, I'm just saying this is one lawsuit they "should" win.

Yeah, making money off of copyright violations is a vastly different thing from sharing your music library. Although, I could have sworn that the maximum per-incident limit was $250k. It seems that §506(a)(1) also applies (criminal copyright for commercial advantage or private financial gain.)

As for jurisdiction, the Russian Federation (sounds like something out of Star Trek) is a signatory to this, this, and this.

iMeowbot · Dec 23, 2006, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Counterfit

It seems that §506(a)(1) also applies (criminal copyright for commercial advantage or private financial gain.)

It doesn't apply because this is a civil suit. The government would have to step in for it to become a criminal case.

MrSmith · Dec 23, 2006, 03:46 AM

I wonder if any artists have made public opinions about the site.

I get my music from there. Am I a bad 'un?

solvs · Dec 23, 2006, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dukebound85

how can a site not in the US be sued by US companies and organizations using US laws?

Because they were selling to people in the US and Russia is helping. I hate the RIAA, but if you were going to use this company, you might as well have used a P2P service. All of your money was going to some company, none of it was going to the artists and copyright holders. Hmmm, kinda like the RIAA. No wonder they're so pissed.

Seriously though, just because you payed for it, doesn't make it legal.

MrSmith · Dec 23, 2006, 04:10 AM

How does this logic stand up: I'm not American, don't live in America, don't want to. Same for Russia. That site is legal in Russia. That's good enough for me. Or am I missing something?

iMeowbot · Dec 23, 2006, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

How does this logic stand up: I'm not American, don't live in America, don't want to. Same for Russia. That site is legal in Russia. That's good enough for me. Or am I missing something?

Maybe you missed this? It looks like it's going to be a county-by-country assault.

Peterkro · Dec 23, 2006, 04:22 AM

Both cases are totally unenforceable even if they do win.

gnasher729 · Dec 23, 2006, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSmith

I wonder if any artists have made public opinions about the site.

I get my music from there. Am I a bad 'un?

No western artist sees one single penny from allofmp3. Does that answer the question?

mkrishnan · Dec 23, 2006, 07:21 AM

I'd be more supportive of these kinds of aggressive legal tactics on the part of the music industry if Sony had been equally aggressively made to compensate the American public for the tens of thousands of computers they hacked into with their rootkit. If Sony will pay such a sum for each user that got a rootkit CD, or the Sony manager who made the go decision on this product is sent to prison, then I'm willing to listen.

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