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I've seriously had enough of this now. I love using Leopard and really don't want to go back to Tiger but it looks like that's what I'm gonna have to do until this wireless problem is fixed. Like many people, using WPA causes the connection to drop during normal internet use. So I changed it to the less secure WEP and I was able to use the internet more or less normally ... except for large file downloads.

Every time I try and use a program like Software Update the connection will just drop in less than a minute. Only by using a completely UNSECURE connection can I download large files properly. I was hoping that the last Leopard update would have fixed the problem but alas nothing. I've been following this thread on the Apple website and it looks like a lot of people still seem to be affected despite various attempts to try and come up with a solution by themselves:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1195706&tstart=165

I bought my MBP so I could use it in a portable way with the freedom of wireless and it's annoying that I can't. And I know from various websites and forums including MacRumors that there's a lot of other people out there who are having to suffer in the same way, or compromise and get themselves a really long network cable!

How long is it gonna take?

I would've expected something like this from a new release of Windows but not Mac OS. Have they even admitted there's a problem? What was Tiger like when that was released; did it have annoying problems that were eventually fixed and if so how long did it take?

Finally, if I decide to use an unsecure network will data being sent over HTTPS (such as a banking site) still be secure? Or is using HTTPS over an unsecure wireless network a big no no? (It certainly sounds like a bad idea!)

Cheers :)
 
What kind of router is it? Is it a .N ? and are you using .N only wide channel config?

If you have a wireless device that's not .N going through the router it will slow down to the lowest speed wireless device.
 
Have you contacted Apple? Is this a known issue on some Macs? The reason I ask is because I haven't seen this problem on the 13 Macs we use which are a combination of new intels, upgraded intel MBPs, upgraded G4 PB and upgraded G4 PM.
 
Sorry I can't help with the wireless problem (I'm still on Tiger), but to answer your question, Tiger had its share of problems as well. Tiger did not become stable enough to use (at least for me) until 10.4.3 (Panther was still much more stable and MUCH faster). I would expect the same from Leopard, so I have no plans to upgrade for a while yet. Hope you get your issues resolved.
 
I have a "Sweex Wireless Broadband Router 11G" so I assume it's a .g rather than .n


Technical Details

Standard, downwards compatible with IEEE802.11b WLAN
Compatible with IEEE 802.3 and IEEE 802.3u Fast Ethernet
Compatible with PPTP
PPoE
Static IP and DHCP Client
Security with Wired Equivalent Privacy 64/128 bits
Data speed: 54 Mbps
MAC filtering
1x 10Base-T/100Base-TX to the WAN port
4x 10Base-T/100Base-TX to the LAN ports
Auto MDI/MDIX on the LAN and WAN ports
Windows 98SE / ME / 2000 / XP compatible




I'd suggest getting a new router.
 
Have you contacted Apple? Is this a known issue on some Macs?

Yeah I told them, like a lot of other people have. It is weird how some people are having problems and others aren't. Hopefully Apple can get the bottom of it and the more data they get from users the more easily they'll be able to work out which factors are causing the problem.

Sorry I can't help with the wireless problem (I'm still on Tiger), but to answer your question, Tiger had its share of problems as well. Tiger did not become stable enough to use (at least for me) until 10.4.3 (Panther was still much more stable and MUCH faster). I would expect the same from Leopard, so I have no plans to upgrade for a while yet. Hope you get your issues resolved.

Yeah, I anticipated problems from Leopard but I was expecting more user interface issues rather than something as fundamental as wireless, especially as it was working so well in Tiger.

I know I sound angry but I can't complain in all fairness. I love Leopard's new features and it's only really large downloads that cause problems which I can always download at night setting my network to unsecure I suppose. I bought Leopard at a good price so I didn't mind taking the risk especially as I knew I had Tiger on hand in case things went wrong.

I just hope they release a new update soon though ... ! :D

I'd suggest getting a new router.

But why? It works perfectly well with Tiger, Windows and Linux.

Or are you saying my router's out of date in terms of specs? I did buy it over a year ago at a pretty cheap price I have to admit! Haha.

Spend over $3000 on a MBP and nothing on a router. That's life!
 
Yes I'm saying that router is out of date spec wise.Especially when you're using a .N wireless card in your Mac.

It would definitely help.A lot.

The new routers are cheap.
 
My cousin's got a new router, I'll go round to his and see what type it is and whether it fixes the problems on my MBP. If it does and Apple don't release a new update any time soon then it looks like I might have to splash out on a new router this Christmas!

Thanks for your help mate. The whole .N thing never crossed my head as a possible problem!
 
Yup the router makes all the difference.I use an AEBS router connected to a cable modem and my rate is always around 270.
I had considered buying an AEBS but have read about so many having problems with it lately (esp. related to dropouts and resets) that I was scared to do so. What version h/w (newer 1Gb or older 100Mb) and f/w are you running?
 
Another vote here for trying a new router. I have a cheap Belkin wireless router and WPA is working fine for me in leopard.
 
I use to have a dlink that would drop my mbp connection frequently but not my other pc computers. All I did was change my router to buffalo and now I never get a dropped connection on my mbp
 
I had considered buying an AEBS but have read about so many having problems with it lately (esp. related to dropouts and resets) that I was scared to do so. What version h/w (newer 1Gb or older 100Mb) and f/w are you running?

I'm using the rev.a 100Mb and it runs like a charm.I have it on almost constantly with a PC and a Macbook and Mac Pro going through it.
 
Yes I'm saying that router is out of date spec wise.Especially when you're using a .N wireless card in your Mac.

It would definitely help.A lot.

The new routers are cheap.
Throwing hardware at software problems is a mug's game.

This guy doesn't need a new router. I'm using a 4 year old router with my Mac and it works great, as it should. Most cable companies provide internet connection rates that wouldn't even Max out a "B" Router, let alone a "G" or "N". I wouldn't see any real benefit from spending $200 on a "N" router personally.

Luckily I'm not having issues with Leopard and Wireless, and I have a MBP with a "N" card.
 
Throwing hardware at software problems is a mug's game.

This guy doesn't need a new router. I'm using a 4 year old router with my Mac and it works great, as it should. Most cable companies provide internet connection rates that wouldn't even Max out a "B" Router, let alone a "G" or "N". I wouldn't see any real benefit from spending $200 on a "N" router personally.

Luckily I'm not having issues with Leopard and Wireless, and I have a MBP with a "N" card.


Well ya know if it were a software problem I would have the same problem but I don't.

It's SOP to duplicate problems in order for it to be a bug.
 
I'm using a newer DLink N router on a MBP with Leopard and have no problems at all.

It might not be that your router needs to be replaced because it's out of spec, it may be degrading. If it's a few years old it might just be wearing out. Given that these things are so cheap, I don't personally expect a long life from them and probably replace mine every two years.

Cheers.
 
Bugs have a tendency to be found in any Mac with the same brand Airport card.
There are too many variables to make such a blanket statement I'm afraid. The facts however, are clear: The threat starter's hardware has not changed, only the software has changed (Tiger->Leopard). Everything worked fine on Tiger, but doesn't on Leopard.

That's a software problem, not a hardware one.

To the thread starter: Did you do a clean install of Leopard or an upgrade?
 
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