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Adobe CEO Responds to Steve Jobs' 'Thoughts on Flash'
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They're planning a standard that will affect the biggest community in the world. Taking their time will ensure a better experience for everybody. Its not like they make stuff up off the top of their head.
I was talking about Jobs's point about old equals bad. Probably did it in the wrong thread though.
With regards to people not programming in C, C++, Obj-C being lazy or incompetent, that's an opinion you'll see a lot here but rarely in professional developer circles. I'm a "the right tool for the job" kinda guy, and sometimes Ruby is the right tool, although it's two factors of magnitude slower than Java and has garbage collection. Sometimes Flash is the right tool. I say, let the users decide, not Steve Jobs.
Yeah I know that...but this has been coming for 10 years so I hardly think my comment is unjustified. It's the whole reason people had to use Flash for web apps in the first place. I never wanted to use Flash for anything except for when vector animation was needed, but had no choice.
Gizmodo or engadget did a break down of how the web would be affected by formats, and from what I remember they said if everyone went the mozilla route there wouldn't be enough storage or processing power available because of .ogg not being efficient or something like that. I'll try to find it.
The best part about this is Jobs' interview was very open to the regard why he feels that adobe is closed. He gave explanation to each of his arguments.
The Adobe CEO just attacked and criticized everything Jobs said. This is why he will come out looking worse in the end.
The Adobe CEO just attacked and criticized everything Jobs said. This is why he will come out looking worse in the end.
????? What???????
I think you missed my point. I wasn't even talking specifically about "get the glass", that was just an example!
I was talking about how flash will probably be replaced in terms of common web dev stuff, video, nav-bars, etc... but that it is pretty much still the top dog in creating really mind blowing experiences on the web.
I never said the change wouldn't happen, just that it'd take some time. Until. javascript and CSS can catch up to making the stuff I linked to or this site
http://ecodazoo.com/
flash will undoubtedly still be around
And how would have playing a mini-game offered any significant insight into programming techniques?????
For the record flash supports multi-touch both natively and through a third-party library.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoYHawCWDO8
And also, keep in mind of the 100 apps in the App store.
(Not a lot, I know I know, but thats not the point)
No matter ...
Apple wins on this one ... Flash is slick looking, but it is not the right development platform for mobile devices and Adobe knows it. Adobe also forgets about millions of people still on dial-up modems where Flash appls take time to download. Adobe needs to reset, and focus on a solution for a different world.
Apple wins on this one ... Flash is slick looking, but it is not the right development platform for mobile devices and Adobe knows it. Adobe also forgets about millions of people still on dial-up modems where Flash appls take time to download. Adobe needs to reset, and focus on a solution for a different world.
Microsoft also says: HTML 5 is the future!
Where Steve Jobs leads, Microsoft follows -- how's that for shaking up the hornet's nest? It's said in jest, of course, but we've just come across a post from the General Manager for Internet Explorer, Dean Hachamovitch, and the perspective expressed by him on the subject of web content delivery broadly agrees with the essay penned by Jobs yesterday on the very same subject. Echoing the Apple CEO's words, Hachamovitch describes HTML5 as "the future of the web," praising it for allowing content to be played without the need for plug-ins and with native hardware acceleration (in both Windows 7 and Mac OS X). He goes on to identify H.264 as the best video codec for the job -- so much so that it'll be the only one supported in IE9's HTML5 implementation -- before turning to the dreaded subject of Flash.
This is where it gets good, because he literally repeats one of Jobs' six pillars of Flash hate: "reliability, security, and performance" are not as good as Microsoft would like them. Where Hachamovitch diverges from Apple's messiah, however, is in describing Flash as an important part of "a good consumer experience on today's web," primarily because it's difficult for the typical consumer to access Flash-free content. Still, it's got to be depressing for Adobe's crew when the best thing either of the two biggest players in tech has to say about your wares is that they're ubiquitous. Wonder how Shantanu Narayen is gonna try and spin this one.
P.S. : it's notable that in multiple paragraphs of discussing "the future," Microsoft's IE general fails to once mention the fabled Silverlight, itself a rich media browser plug-in. Given Silverlight's featured role in the Windows Phone 7 infrastructure and other things like Netflix, we doubt it's on the outs, but there are sure to be some sour faces greeting Hachamovitch this morning.
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Where Steve Jobs leads, Microsoft follows -- how's that for shaking up the hornet's nest? It's said in jest, of course, but we've just come across a post from the General Manager for Internet Explorer, Dean Hachamovitch, and the perspective expressed by him on the subject of web content delivery broadly agrees with the essay penned by Jobs yesterday on the very same subject. Echoing the Apple CEO's words, Hachamovitch describes HTML5 as "the future of the web," praising it for allowing content to be played without the need for plug-ins and with native hardware acceleration (in both Windows 7 and Mac OS X). He goes on to identify H.264 as the best video codec for the job -- so much so that it'll be the only one supported in IE9's HTML5 implementation -- before turning to the dreaded subject of Flash.
This is where it gets good, because he literally repeats one of Jobs' six pillars of Flash hate: "reliability, security, and performance" are not as good as Microsoft would like them. Where Hachamovitch diverges from Apple's messiah, however, is in describing Flash as an important part of "a good consumer experience on today's web," primarily because it's difficult for the typical consumer to access Flash-free content. Still, it's got to be depressing for Adobe's crew when the best thing either of the two biggest players in tech has to say about your wares is that they're ubiquitous. Wonder how Shantanu Narayen is gonna try and spin this one.
P.S. : it's notable that in multiple paragraphs of discussing "the future," Microsoft's IE general fails to once mention the fabled Silverlight, itself a rich media browser plug-in. Given Silverlight's featured role in the Windows Phone 7 infrastructure and other things like Netflix, we doubt it's on the outs, but there are sure to be some sour faces greeting Hachamovitch this morning.
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Haha... I was just thinking to myself, "This guy is less charismatic than _______" but wasn't sure what word to put in the blank.
Adobe needs a better spokesperson, but I won't complain. As a web developer I *HATE* flash.
Once IE supports the Canvas specification, I will be able to drop flash totally.
But nobody knows for sure that OGG is completely free. A lot of experts think[/] that it is, but it's a complex technology and there may be submarine patents.
I'm not saying h.264 is any better. At least we know what the IP is there, even if it is commercial and may become expensive in the future (it's actually licensed at no cost currently).
But HTML5 video is an unsolved issue.
I have no idea what you're talking about. OpenCL?? That has absolutely nothing to do with flash performance. OpenGL?? That has been around for decades, Apple has supported for over a decade, and developers have been using it on multiple platforms for over a decade.
That's because real pros don't want flashy UI to distract them from the actual content. It's one of the reasons why creative pros prefer Macs over Windows - Apple did research long ago that showed spare use of colour for only fine details results in more productive users than just splashing colour everywhere. People think of MacOS X as candy coloured but just look, it's only used on window controls and buttons. Contrast that with the Fisher-Price inspired Windows XP interface or Luna.
Also note that in the Appearance settings in MacOS X there is still the Graphite theme - many Mac users I know go and set this first when getting a new Mac.
A joke!
Adobe CEO: Everything Jobs says or thinks is a smokescreen/joke and everything Apple thinks or says is a smokescreen/joke. This solid, fact based response proves that Adobe is right and no changes in our Flash software is needed.
Wow, it sounds logical to me.
Adobe CEO: Everything Jobs says or thinks is a smokescreen/joke and everything Apple thinks or says is a smokescreen/joke. This solid, fact based response proves that Adobe is right and no changes in our Flash software is needed.
Wow, it sounds logical to me.
Well, for one, old doesn't always mean obsolete. The C family of languages has proven very enduring for performance critical applications (Games, anyone?). Some things are too specific to a timeframe (e.g., quick'n'dirty animations for the emerging web through a proprietary plugin architecture), become obsolete and fade out. Others not.
As for the "right tool for the job" I completely agree with you. RoR, PHP are the best tools for the web. And the "right tool" for making iPhone games is CocoaTouch/Cocos2D/OpenGL. I don't think it's wise that some guy with experience dropping some script lines on that frame of the timeline or this MovieClip should hog the limited iPhone resources with a quick, write-once-run-everywhere port.
And, I think the users have been deciding already...
And even Mac users you don't know. Like me.
I love Graphite. I'm all Graphite. I find the Blue Theme too Saturated
Specially if you are working with color as an object (Image, Video edition), you want your color in the Canvas, NOT in the UI.
Microsoft knows crap about UI, UX or esthetics, and they never will. Their corporate customer base doesn't demand it. Windows 7 could be 100 times better than SL and I still wouldn't think one microsecond. Having to deal every day, every second with that uglyness, awkwardness is way more counterproductive. I want to enjoy my life and my work as much as I can.
One thing's for sure: Once Farmville gets ported to HTML5/Javascript, Flash is DEAD.
why can't they make it native C++? only reason they went Flash was the quick dev time when you don't have any cash flow and to get it on facebook easily. now that facebook is changing and they are making money like crazy, there is no reason why they can't go C++
yes that is why I cannot run flash in say dragonflybsd. Cross platform !=open stanard! Also I have been thinking about this, does adobe really make money of flash player lisencing, or is it just a vehicale for selling flash? If it's the latter why don't they just open source it? It would give flash a bigger marketshare and sell more product.
Backwards
From the beginning, the main complaint should have been that Flash causes a lot of buggy problems. Apple-product buying customers are basically members of the general public, a group we know to be pretty dumb. They really do have to be told what they want. In this case, they don't want Flash, because those internet games they think they want to play will crash.
Adobe is in the wrong here. If Flash were adequately reliable, this would have been a non-issue from day one. Jobs was wrong to say anything about proprietary vs open. Nobody cares about H264. Idiot consumers want Flash games. The push should be for more reliable Flash.
From the beginning, the main complaint should have been that Flash causes a lot of buggy problems. Apple-product buying customers are basically members of the general public, a group we know to be pretty dumb. They really do have to be told what they want. In this case, they don't want Flash, because those internet games they think they want to play will crash.
Adobe is in the wrong here. If Flash were adequately reliable, this would have been a non-issue from day one. Jobs was wrong to say anything about proprietary vs open. Nobody cares about H264. Idiot consumers want Flash games. The push should be for more reliable Flash.