Adobe CEO Responds to Steve Jobs' 'Thoughts on Flash'

[boyplunder]

I have a fairly recent Macbook Pro with CS3 on it [Waiting for 5], and all of the other 'usual suspects' you would find on a designer's hard drive. When I launch any of the Adobe CS3 software, my machine slows noticeably.

A few weeks ago I got a bit fed up and bought replacement RAM and a top rated drive, but it still does the same thing. Sometimes I just restart my machine after using CS3 to clean up. I don't notice this with any other software I have, and I have loads.

 

[ct2k7]

If your browser crashes because of some interaction with a plugin then, yes, your browser definitely has a problem. Whether the plugin has a problem depends on whether the plugin is stable and correctly written to published API spec.

That means Chrome, Opera and Mozilla Firefox are all very buggy, and we should use this browser: Lynx.

 

[Mark Booth]

I know first-hand that flash video eats up battery life on my MacBook Pro significantly faster than H.264 video. Likewise, I have first-hand experience with flash web sites crashing my Macs.

Steve's open letter nailed it.

Mark

 

[admanimal]

The Adobe guy seems to be confusing "multi-platform" and "open."

 

[Trexznl]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; nl-nl) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7A341 Safari/528.16)

Jobs: my os is open, your software is closed!

Random guy I've never heard about before: my software is open, your os is closed!

Jobs: is not!

Random guy: is!

And so on.. I mean come on. Why can't they just share their candy and be happy?

Oh and forget the whole
mobile flash idea. It's a friggin disaster. Give. Up. Adobe. (while you still can).

If adobe were to optimize flash for desktops then we'd be off to a much better mobile START.

Or let's just move over to html5 alltogether.

 

[jaw04005]

Bruce Chizen … Adobe needs you.

 

[realeric]

Mr. Narayen,

I don't want to see Flash on my iPhone.

Regards,
iPhone User

 

[thedarkhalf]

Proof

I just wish one of these guys would post proof of what they write about. Jobs should show an iPad or iPhone running flash against one that is running HTML5 video or something and the drain on battery life.

That would end this very quick

 

[ct2k7]

Mr. Narayen,

I don't want to see Flash on my iPhone.

Regards,
iPhone User

Mr Jobs,

I want to users to have an option to have Flash on their mobile devices. The amount of businesses I've had to say, "Sorry, no can do" then leave me, becuase their site won't work on the iPhone platform is substantial.

Regards,
Shamil
Chief Development Engineer and Software Architect
Radon Systems

 

[louis Fashion]

Get Out

Get out while you can dude, Stevie Wonder is going to GET you.

 

[irmongoose]

It really doesn't take a genius to figure out what the optimum response would be to Steve's letter - nothing.
Yet this imbecile goes to the Wall Street Journal and rambles on about the same talking points they've mustered in the past.

Steve might be blunt, but you've gotta hand it to him, he knows what he's doing.



irmongoose

 

[billyjoegibsonx]

Oh, I hope flash disappears in well, ... a flash! (sunglasses ready)

Can't wait to see Steve smite this little man & his company

popcorn?

HTML5 FTW lol.

 

[phrint]

Too bad Adobe is going to lose the war.

 

[roland.g]

Mr. Narayen,

I don't want to see Flash on my iPhone.

Regards,
iPhone User

Mr. Adobe CEO Tool,

I don't want to see Flash on my Mac or anywhere on the web either.

Regards,
The Consumer you so mistakenly think will help Adobe win out.

P.S. Can you stop making each iteration of Acrobat progressively worse. Are you really trying to emulate M$?

 

[manhattanboy]

Great. Because trading barbs publicly is always the best way to go about solving a problem.

I think it is because both sides are acting like school children so why not let them fight it out on the playground?

If you actually read his comments, I think you will find your answer. Apple is turning into a company that no one wanted to see. They are the new M$.

Agreed. They are greedy heartless bast@rds.

Adobe. If you are so unhappy with Apple, don't play in their yard.

Apple is fine without Flash.

Yes they will be. Many people think that it is stupid to purposely cripple a fantastic product. How much more awesome would the iPad be if you could stream Hulu over 3G right now? Apple's Tanya Harding approach to products is just sad.

 

[PhoneI]

"100 App Store applications created using Flash"

That's 5 hundredths of 1 percent.

100 applications, none very good.

 

[ct2k7]

Too bad Adobe is going to lose the war.

Yeah, the problem is with Developers optimising the code, after all. Adobe should withdraw from the Apple platform, and thus, reducing its losses.

 

[iMouse]

Adobe products are garbage. Adobe's CEO needs to get his employees to write faster, stable and secure code before taking on Steve's open letter.

As someone who cleans malware-ridden Windows boxes, more often than not, the box was compromised "drive-by style" because of Adobe's poor security practices in Flash Player and Reader.

Adobe is a large chunk of the reason why IE gets a bad name.

 

[roland.g]

Too bad Adobe is going to lose the war.

Maybe HP will buy it.

 

[Schizoid]

The plot thickens *grabs popcorn for impending confrontation*

there's only one way to sort this out.... FIGHT!

 

[roland.g]

Yeah, the problem is with Developers optimising the code, after all. Adobe should withdraw from the Apple platform, and thus, reducing its losses.

Really because Adobe sells 1/2 of it's CS products to Mac users who represent what percent of the market.

 

[Pechente]

Narayen again returned to his claim that Flash is an open standard, calling Jobs' claim of it being closed "amusing".

How does he even justify to claim that?

Flash isn't an open standard. Steve's point of view might be somewhat exaggerated but Adobe is quite stupid to take in an overstated position too.

 

[sfh]

Mr Jobs,

I want to users to have an option to have Flash on their mobile devices. The amount of businesses I've had to say, "Sorry, no can do" then leave me, becuase their site won't work on the iPhone platform is substantial.

Regards,
Shamil
Chief Development Engineer and Software Architect
Radon Systems

learn HTML javascript and css
then you won't have to turn business away... pretty simple

 

[roxnadz]

" 'I find it amusing, honestly. Flash is an open specification,' he says."

Okay, where's the free (non-trial) Flash dev tool download, then?

Oh, wait.

 

[jaw04005]

In what fantasy world is Flash an open standard?