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Apple Turning to Samsung as Low Display Yields for Retina iPad Mini Continue
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I'm hoping I end up with a Samsung display in my iPad Mini Retina. Apple replaced the horrid LG display in my rMBP with a Samsung and that is probably the most beautiful screen I've ever seen. My iPad 2 ended up having image retention issues too, but they really didn't manifest until my warranty had just expired. I thought somewhere people said those were also LG displays. If I have issues this time I'm going to keep returning until I get something decent. As much as a loathe Samsung as a company who tries to copy top-tier products by churning out plastic crap, their displays are amazing. It would be ideal if they would just shut down everything else and focus on making displays and chip fab. They're good at it.
Oufff déjà vue with the 128GB SSDs.
Fast forward six months and the news will be "iPad Mini Retina with non-Samsung display are now known for their issues..."
Fast forward six months and the news will be "iPad Mini Retina with non-Samsung display are now known for their issues..."
Apple don't make ****. They outsource everything to Chinese, Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese companies. Tim Cook's primary contribution to the company during the Jobs era was to convince Steve to outsource their supply chain. It's what he's most famous for in business.
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Why is Apple simply not recognizing that they cannot get rid of Samsung as a supplier
these past years, all new product shortages have proven that current suppliers are not as reliable as Samsung
if Apple wasn't so stubborn, sales would have been much higher and customers not so disappointed about shortages
I have to agree with this, I may not like their phone division but you cannot argue Samsung are the only reliable suppliers of quality screens.
I understand Apple not wanting to deal with Samsung but they are cutting their noses off to spite their face if they lose sales due to their stubbornness, stick with them for screens for now and move along if and when they find someone as good or better.
They really should have addressed this issue publicly. It's the reason they don't have my money for a new laptop. I'm not playing that game on the chance I might get a bad display.
The forums have already proved they are still using screens from 2012 and there is video proof of IR problems on some of the late 13's. If they would just acknowledge they are fixing the problem I would be happy to buy a new macbook.
Genocide is evil.
Seriously.
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You really have absolutely no clue what evil is, do you?
How sad and what a frightening thought.
Artists have been copying/drawing inspiration from other artists for millennia.
Are they evil?
Yeah.
It's a business transaction however. Apple isn't paying anymore than any other client.
I really don't like Samsung, and in general, I'm really glad that Apple is moving away from them as a parts supplier.
That said, they provide Apple with better displays than the other manufacturers, so Apple should keep using them. Preferably increasing the percentage of Samsung displays in their products.
That said, they provide Apple with better displays than the other manufacturers, so Apple should keep using them. Preferably increasing the percentage of Samsung displays in their products.
If they NEED Samsung to produce screens for them, who do you think has the upper hand in negotiating the prices?
This is business 101
The issue is, Apple is trying to move away from Samsung, and its straight up not working. No other company seems to be able to provide the Numbers Apple needs, and companies like LG and Sharp don't seem to be able to meet demand, or make screens that...work right
To be honest it would be good if there was another company that could provide the quality and quantity that apple requires.
Sadly Apple is dependent on suppliers for their hardware.
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Samsung still makes money on sales to Apple. I'm sure they don't mind the business.
I do wonder, sometimes, why Apple just doesn't make an offer to buy Sharp, or LG and/or Samsung's display businesses. Display yields always seems to be an issue. Perhaps that's why they are being so forceful with their IP lawsuits. A final final judgment in their favor could be good negotiating leverage.
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Not necessarily. A few years ago Samsung would have gotten 100% of Apple's business. Now they are one of three suppliers. Sure, Samsung has more leverage if they are supplying, for example, 40% of the screens instead of 25% (if that's what Apple had originally planned). But they don't have as much leverage as they did when they were essentially Apple's sole supplier.
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They are making inroads, however. They have found alternative SSD suppliers (though they might not be going back to Toshiba anytime soon). Plus, if no one invests in competitors that would leave Samsung with essentially a monopoly position, which would be bad for the industry as a whole.
LG does seem to be a bit ahead of the curve in terms of curved and flexible displays (at least so far as LG's first curved design is more aggressive than Samsung's).
I'm not buying this, and think Apple is just preparing an explain how they got millions of Mini's on store shelves in time. Seems just a bit too convenient, and a little too last minute. Samsung is likely very busy at all times, and they could just set aside their own products to bail Apple out of its woes.
With that much more physical space, it is much easier for errors to creep in to any one unit during manufacture. The larger an LCD panel is, the smaller the yield rate, which is a percentage.
You want bad? Look at yields for camera sensors. Full frame sensors (35mm film size), like those in just the highest end Canon/Nikon, have ridiculously low yields with the comparatively large size and massive number of pixels. Hence the $5000+ camera prices. Or medium format is even worse, hence the $20000+ prices.
What I'm not buying is the timing of the message... Today is the day they started shipping the device who's market will be a canibalized by the mini.
I have a friend who consults for a bunch of the companies in screen manufacturing. Sammy has the best production screens period, whether tv, or computer, or phones etc. There's a reason why in the tv world most the "big name" companies get majority of their screens from Sammy. Sony switched to LG and guess whose complaining now and wishing they stayed with Sammy partnership too lol.
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Yep.
They did invest in a panel factory, with, wait for it.......
Samsung back in 1999.
The partnership between Apple and Samsung goes back more than a decade.
People can point to the whole smartphone thing, but the bottom line is that Samsung *AND* Apple need each other.
Samsung needs to sell memory, displays, and wafers in their FABs.
Apple needs to buy all of the above.
Samsung tries to maintain a strict wall between the component side of the house and everything else.
Apple will continue to use Samsung as a supplier for the foreseeable future.
They cannot be completely replaced.
I've read that Samsung and LG will sometimes help each other with production problems.
Just last month, they also agreed to drop all patent infringement lawsuits against each other.
Now they are looking for ways to cooperate together to advance display technology without the previous constant worry that the other will sue them.
Just last month, they also agreed to drop all patent infringement lawsuits against each other.
Now they are looking for ways to cooperate together to advance display technology without the previous constant worry that the other will sue them.