Apple's CarPlay Works Alongside BlackBerry's QNX Car Platform

[LordVic]

It's generally a bad idea to point out the impossibility of something that has ALREADY HAPPENED...
Just saying.

you dont know what happened. you dont know the requirements or how strict apple has said they will be as no such details have been announced yet. in fact, quite the opposite. Apple has already said that it will work with a wide array of screen sized, resolutions, touch panels and the like. Go read the primary post on the other Carplay thread where they actually introduce it.

for all you know, the requirements are "touchscreen, USB input and QNX"

It was a conversation about speculation what the requirements are that you decided to get rude and snippy with,


just saying

you, believed that Apple would follow their previous rigidity in 3rd party vendor hardware requirements with Car manufacturers.

I replied, that I think that Apple doesn't have enough clout with the Car manufacturers to do that, and have likely had to settle for being able to use a far wider range of platforms to run on than they'd have liked.

so, would oyu like to try your post again?

 

[apolloa]

hmmm..... wonder if I should quote all those people stating 'Blackberry are rubbish' etc from the other thread.......

But no doubt they will be on here stating the same thing

But good to see Apple won't be allowed to force a walled garden approach on cars.

 

[apolloa]

Wonder if this has anything to do with why Ford decided to ditch Microsoft Sync in favor of QNX very recently for future MyFordTouch updates.

Ford has not announced anything, all we have are 'rumours' at present. No factual information at all from Ford on the subject.

 

[TonyYYZ]

What good are android users if they're not willing to pay for anything!

That's just a crazy stereotype. Don't stoop to the label of an uninformed iSheep user, you can be so much better than that!

Android users come in all shapes and forms. There are entry level devices and premium level devices with the users to match each category.

 

[nebo1ss]

This seems very significant. Can anyone think of an iOS peripheral that allows the functions of the iPhone to be displayed and controlled on a touchscreen that wasn't built by Apple? I'm referring to the ability to use an iPhone as a remote to control another iPhone or iPad.

A Tom Tom 930 can display and control all the audio functions on an ipod or iphone from the touchscreen.

 

[apolloa]

What good are android users if they're not willing to pay for anything!

you talk just like someone who lives in constant denial about the endless freemium junk apps in the app store and how the top 10 grossing apps are generally all freemium titles...

Don't go blaming Android users for the mistakes iOS users make!

 

[Rogifan]

But good to see Apple won't be allowed to force a walled garden approach on cars.

Seems to me you're the only one who was thinking this.

 

[Tech198]

why do you thing Apple renamed this to "CarPlay". ?

This sounds more like "Air-play" in in music mostly, and nothing else... (which in all effect it limited in the car if you can't use it for anything else)

Only people who you it or read on it will see "oh ya ...navigation too and voice etc.." allot more under the hood..

Sorry Apple. but 'iOS in the car' was a far better name, as it shows the entire OS, not just bring a "play only" marketing type of thing, which it's clearly not.

 

[7thson]

A Tom Tom 930 can display and control all the audio functions on an ipod or iphone from the touchscreen.

Hmmm. Yes it does that. I was thinking more of replicating the interface of iOS. The 930 just uses a bluetooth to pair with a smart phone to control music, calls, but not really integrating with it.

 

[kage207]

I hope people realize CarPlay is an API provided by Apple. They don't stream any video to the car itself. The iPhone serves apps that implement the CarPlay API on the iPhone to the QNX system that just displays the data associated to it depending on the data type. These data types have UI specifications provide by Apple that the car manufacturers must uphold to be CarPlay Certified.

So technical the car manufactures may develop or use any OS as long as they can work with the data that is being served by the iPhone and display it according to manufacturers.

Lastly, I'm really unimpressed. All I want is a spot to place my iPhone in landscape mode on the dash and have a button on the steering wheel that I could press to speak any Siri command and the iPhone would do it. :/

I don't want more crappy hardware that drives up the prices on the cars.

 

[mikefla]

Any chance that we will be able to integrate this into a car that doesn't have it from the factory. I would love to be able to do that.

You can, I found this for Toyota/Lexus:

http://www.vaistech.com/site/home.php

There may be other products out there. I just don't want to install after market stuff specially if it's Made in China and it's cheaply made junk. I know nothing about the above product but it looks kinda cool. Installation doesn't look too hard but you still need to stick boxes and wires somewhere which I'm not a big fan of on a higher end type car.

-Mike

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This is actually fantastic news.

it means that existing QNX based car systems MIGHT be capable of having software update to bring CarPlay to existing cars, rather than be exclusive for new models...

However, it is the car industry. I'm doubtful that'll happen, even if technologically feasible.

Probably won't happen. Unfortunately car manufactures even the high end ones you can't upgrade anything as far as software/firmware to add new features which I hope will change one day because it really sucks. What are we supposed to do if we want this Apple CarPlay all go out and buy new cars? WTF.....

-Mike

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Wonder if this has anything to do with why Ford decided to ditch Microsoft Sync in favor of QNX very recently for future MyFordTouch updates.

Maybe because Microsoft sucks and all they come up with these days is crap?

-Mike

 

[dss10]

Pony tail and suit, check.
Gold iPhone, check.
Mercedes Benz, check.
Jerks around Michelle Schmitz, check.


Is this guy not a jerk?

 

[devfarce]

I hope people realize CarPlay is an API provided by Apple. They don't stream any video to the car itself. The iPhone serves apps that implement the CarPlay API on the iPhone to the QNX system that just displays the data associated to it depending on the data type. These data types have UI specifications provide by Apple that the car manufacturers must uphold to be CarPlay Certified.

So technical the car manufactures may develop or use any OS as long as they can work with the data that is being served by the iPhone and display it according to manufacturers.

Lastly, I'm really unimpressed. All I want is a spot to place my iPhone in landscape mode on the dash and have a button on the steering wheel that I could press to speak any Siri command and the iPhone would do it. :/

I don't want more crappy hardware that drives up the prices on the cars.

I can say definitively that CarPlay is more than a remote rendering target like an Xserver or just an API where the car does the lifting. Otherwise it wouldn't work in Xcode like it does, perhaps you've seen the images and videos. While that was an alpha/beta build it was rendered on the phone and sent to an external virtual monitor.

I strongly suspect that CarPlay itself is rather easy to implement as it consists of only a few requirements. One is a low latency H.264 decoder to receive and display the video stream, a USB touchscreen/hardware button interface with the iPhone using USB OTG for connection as well as USB audio sink hardware for audio, handsfree and Siri integration. Lightning enabled iPhones already use a H.264 AirPlay implementation for the HDMI out adapter now so this certainly builds on the existing technology. You can generally assume that cars never receive SW updates so building and debugging a production rendering environment would be much more difficult that implementing a very stable H.264 based system that can be made to be stable from the get-go and allowing the phone to worry about updates. This also is better from a iPhone upgrade path and could be possible for other handsets to integrate as these would all be universal standards that could be picked up by anyone. CarPlay is simply a certification for compatibility and UX with iPhone.

 

[TheMTtakeover]

But QNS is (IMO) better than BSD for embedded OS's.

Care to elaborate? I am interested in hearing your reasons on why.

 

[swingerofbirch]

Don't Get CarPlay

Does anyone else not get what CarPlay is?

Disclaimer: Neither my car nor phone are smart. I do own an iOS 6, 4th generation iPod touch, but my phone is "dumb." And my car (or rather the one I am driven in), has a CD player, but no Bluetooth, GPS, etc.

But from what I've seen cars have long had interoperability with all types of cell phones. I drove in a rich friend's Mercedes M-Class back in the late 1990s. She was listening to music and when a call came in, the music faded out, she took the call over the speakers, and she pressed a button again on the steering wheel to hang up and go back to her music. And haven't cars had iPhone ports for a long time where you can pick your music from the iPhone but also control it from the car's buttons?

Is the only difference that Apple has made the interface for a touchscreen? And if so, why is that a huge deal? Just because they're the iOS 7 design icons?

 

[badNameErr]

Sure. But Apple is about integrating hardware and software, with CarPlay, Apple doesn't control anything.

CarPlay runs ON the iPhone. Not on the embedded OS in the car. CarPlay streams video data which is displayed by the car. The car sends user event data back to the iPhone. The car is just like an external display. It's like AirPlay. Get it?

Your iPhone is the brains of CarPlay.

 

[Em8ch]

Does anyone else not get what CarPlay is?

Disclaimer: Neither my car nor phone are smart. I do own an iOS 6, 4th generation iPod touch, but my phone is "dumb." And my car (or rather the one I am driven in), has a CD player, but no Bluetooth, GPS, etc.

But from what I've seen cars have long had interoperability with all types of cell phones. I drove in a rich friend's Mercedes M-Class back in the late 1990s. She was listening to music and when a call came in, the music faded out, she took the call over the speakers, and she pressed a button again on the steering wheel to hang up and go back to her music. And haven't cars had iPhone ports for a long time where you can pick your music from the iPhone but also control it from the car's buttons?

Is the only difference that Apple has made the interface for a touchscreen? And if so, why is that a huge deal? Just because they're the iOS 7 design icons?

I guess you could say that CarPlay is one or more steps along the same evolutionary route. See it as iPod Out on steroids. The car provides capabilities such as a way to display graphics and play audio from the phone and a way to send events (touch events, knob and button presses, etc.) and data (audio, for Siri) to the phone. The phone does the heavy lifting and the car merely acts as sensors and actuators. This is basically the same as it was before.

However, with CarPlay, Apple takes one step further and actually takes over part of the user interface. This in turn provides Apple with more control in terms of integration of services provided by the phone, such as navigation, communication, entertainment.

What the car manufacturers actually do is release a bit of their control of the user interface (which is something that is difficult for many of them, I'm sure), and give this control to Apple. How that unfolds can be interesting in itself...

 

[FFR]

Apple's CarPlay Works Alongside BlackBerry's QNX Car Platform

CarPlay runs ON the iPhone. Not on the embedded OS in the car. CarPlay streams video data which is displayed by the car. The car sends user event data back to the iPhone. The car is just like an external display. It's like AirPlay. Get it?

Your iPhone is the brains of CarPlay.

Exactly.
Everything is done on the device.

I played with it this morning, the resistive touchscreen is annoying, but let's face it the sound of the v12 is the real draw.

 

[ChrisCW11]

Hey Apple, 2007 called and they want there interface back.

 

[aarond12]

This FINALLY makes sense to me. Ford was rumored to start using BlackBerry OS for their multimedia systems in their cars, replacing the Microsoft-powered (and panned) solution.

BlackBerry --> QNX --> Connectivity to CarPlay <-- Ford is one of the partners with CarPlay.

I'm a little slow...

I played with it this morning, the resistive touchscreen is annoying, but let's face it the sound of the v12 is the real draw.

I don't know... I kinda like the silence of my electric car.

 

[FFR]

This FINALLY makes sense to me. Ford was rumored to start using BlackBerry OS for their multimedia systems in their cars, replacing the Microsoft-powered (and panned) solution.

BlackBerry --> QNX --> Connectivity to CarPlay <-- Ford is one of the partners with CarPlay.

I'm a little slow...


I don't know... I kinda like the silence of my electric car.

To each their own , I guess. For me nothing beets the roar of a naturally aspirated V12, or a twin turbo engine with a set of straight pipes.

Ford could go android like Volvo (which used to be part of Fords PAG back in the day) implantation bypassing qnx entirely.

 

[j1787]

My God. I can actually feel your embarrassment for that comment.
My condolences.

this made me laugh

 

[nebo1ss]

Hmmm. Yes it does that. I was thinking more of replicating the interface of iOS. The 930 just uses a bluetooth to pair with a smart phone to control music, calls, but not really integrating with it.

My TT 930 Plugs right into the ipod or Iphone "Pre-Lightning" with a special cable not Bluetooth.

 

[maflynn]

[MOD NOTE]
Lets stop the bickering and stay on topic