Funny you post this, it's my thoughts exactly. It would be nice to have it for a year before the next one comes out however we all know the next pro will have just about every apple gimmick feature under the sun
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Disney Artists Go Hands-On With Upcoming iPad Pro and Apple Pencil
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Funny you post this, it's my thoughts exactly. It would be nice to have it for a year before the next one comes out however we all know the next pro will have just about every apple gimmick feature under the sun
The video seems to show that the latency is much higher with the pencil than it is when he uses his finger. Maybe that qualifies as near zero to some people but its pretty clearly visible
So you charge the pencil via Lightning? How the hell does that work - you have to charge it from your iPad?? But then you can't really use the iPad while it's charging the pencil because it sticks out at the bottom, but also you can't charge the iPad while it's charging the pencil because you've clogged up its only port... Why not just have a female lightning port in the pencil, instead of male, so that it can charge from any iPhone charger without having to stick out from your iPad?? That way you can charge the pencil and the iPad separately at the same time, and you can still keep using your iPad while the pencil is charging.
I can see people working with the pencil, then when it runs out of battery, setting it aside to charge and continuing the use the iPad. Or at night, wanting to charge both the iPad and the pencil at the same time. None of this seems possible! Or do you have to get up in the middle of the night when your iPad is charged, unplug it, plug in the pencil, go to sleep again, then wake up again when the pencil is charged and re-plug the iPad to charge it again as it lost charge to the pencil...?
Did they not think this through or am I missing something here? Or does the pencil charge so fast it's not an issue? (15 sec charge = 30 min of use but how long do you have to charge it to get the full 12h of use? And when are you supposed to charge it (obviously not at night when you charge your iPad)?
I can see people working with the pencil, then when it runs out of battery, setting it aside to charge and continuing the use the iPad. Or at night, wanting to charge both the iPad and the pencil at the same time. None of this seems possible! Or do you have to get up in the middle of the night when your iPad is charged, unplug it, plug in the pencil, go to sleep again, then wake up again when the pencil is charged and re-plug the iPad to charge it again as it lost charge to the pencil...?
Did they not think this through or am I missing something here? Or does the pencil charge so fast it's not an issue? (15 sec charge = 30 min of use but how long do you have to charge it to get the full 12h of use? And when are you supposed to charge it (obviously not at night when you charge your iPad)?
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It's terrible design. Unbelievable that it could come from the same designers as MagSafe. On the other hand it looks like a 12 hour charge would take only 6 minutes.
Because I don't want to use periscope!! Give me a web video.
Saying and showing are two entirely different things.
What? It has everything to do with it. It's called input lag.
That's interesting if that works. Hopefully someone does an in depth review of this. This would be something that sets the iPad Pro apart from all other competitors.
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Amazingly talented people... Just watching the video of him drawing the monkey is pure awesomeness...
Great job at fear mongering.
If you paid attention to the videos, the latency in the 2nd five minutes has to do with the beta software they're using, nothing to do with the hardware. The first piece of software works without a lag, the 2nd piece of software (53 pencils, I think it was called?), has a lag in pretty much anything he does. And the person behind the scenes talks about how this is all beta software. (The first piece of software actually crashes while drawing)
But, good job at taking this all out of context.
3D Touch is Apples only big UI advancement since iPad 1.0. So, while its easy to debate "why" its missing, the fact still remains that a major interaction element was omitted.
The defenders will claim that "No product is ever complete since next year will introduce something new", and that certainly holds true for iPhones. But when it comes to iPads (and especially iPads tipping the $1000 mark) then you have to think of a 3-4yr stretch rather than an annual upgrade.
They all have a look on their faces, "I wonder how this compares to the Surface Pro with a full OS"?
They just don't look into it.
They just don't look into it.
A bit off topic, but the video of the guy testing the iPad Pro is again a perfect example why vertical video should be forbidden and punished. We constantly see half of the iPad cropped, but instead a huge part of the useless table surface.
These videos make me...
So annoying........
Say NO to vertical videos.
Don't jump to conclusions. Watch the video again. Theres no obvious latency until he switches apps.
I thought the latency was immediately noticeable as he switched to the pen tool in Paper. That same latency is visible using Paper & finger right now on an iPad Air 2. Even if the Pencil has a zero latency, each app still needs to be coded well enough to keep pace with the hardware.
By calling it a mistake you're assuming Apple intentionally left it out. What if if Apple wanted to esentially proof of concept it on the iPhone first? What if there were supply constraints with the Touch ID sensors and Apple needed every one they could make for iPhones? Perhaps this year it's the same with Taptic Engine or the display technology being used. Or maybe marketing decided 3D Touch should be iPhone exclusive for one year. Nobody knows.
I love the iPhone, but the iPads are terrible quality. The iPad's feel so cheap. The screen seems like flimsy plastic, and the back (even though it's the same as the iPhone) feels like tin, mostly because of the size of the device. On top of it, other than the recently introduced multitasking, the operating system is basically a blown up iPhone OS.
The tablet needs to be thrown back to the drawing board and re-designed, both with the hardware and the software.
The tablet needs to be thrown back to the drawing board and re-designed, both with the hardware and the software.
Surface pro is a hybrid for users that can't afford 2 devices , a laptop and tablet pro and spend the money on one that does it all
I currently work with a 2015 MBP 13", an iPad Air2 (bought last year) and now an iPhone 6s...
I admit when Apple announced the iPad Pro I was like 'nah.. Don't need this', and I still think so.
BUT: I think we see some preety cool future coming up the horizon.
Just imagine some of the features/ technologies evolve and get merged.
The taptic engine, and 3D touch as extension along with the pressure sensivity could just get refined (like more pressure sensibility, and finer steps of physical feedback) to for example simulate drawing on paper rather on glass via 'micro'vibrations while moving a future Apple Pen, and hence create an even deeper 'relation' for someone working with this tool. I see the iPad Pro really in the space of content creation, not consuming like my Air tbh... So my bet is that within the next 2 iterations of the iPad Pro we will see something like this, bringing creative's interaction with a 'paintable screen' to a sole different level.
I have seen people working with the Wacom display tablets and they were cool... Like 3 years ago... They looked like finger painting on an iPad 1 tbh, with crazy lag and and a noticable distance between pen tip & drawing point.
The Pro is not a product for me, but it might end up to become Apple's 'S-Class' for technology in the long run, so not necessarily the iPhone will stay the product which get's everything first... We'll see, looking forward to it
I admit when Apple announced the iPad Pro I was like 'nah.. Don't need this', and I still think so.
BUT: I think we see some preety cool future coming up the horizon.
Just imagine some of the features/ technologies evolve and get merged.
The taptic engine, and 3D touch as extension along with the pressure sensivity could just get refined (like more pressure sensibility, and finer steps of physical feedback) to for example simulate drawing on paper rather on glass via 'micro'vibrations while moving a future Apple Pen, and hence create an even deeper 'relation' for someone working with this tool. I see the iPad Pro really in the space of content creation, not consuming like my Air tbh... So my bet is that within the next 2 iterations of the iPad Pro we will see something like this, bringing creative's interaction with a 'paintable screen' to a sole different level.
I have seen people working with the Wacom display tablets and they were cool... Like 3 years ago... They looked like finger painting on an iPad 1 tbh, with crazy lag and and a noticable distance between pen tip & drawing point.
The Pro is not a product for me, but it might end up to become Apple's 'S-Class' for technology in the long run, so not necessarily the iPhone will stay the product which get's everything first... We'll see, looking forward to it
What iPad are you using? The Air 2 screen is much better because the air gap is gone. IMO the iPad 3, Air 1 and mini 3 shouldn't have been released. The A5X chip wasn't powerful enough for the Retina display, the Air 1 had the screen gap which made it feel plasticky, no Touch ID and only 1GB RAM and the mini 3 was just a mini 2 with Touch ID. Hopefully Apple is on a path now where they announce new iPads when they're ready rather than on a set yearly schedule.
I think the iPad seems deceptively simple. It's clearly a capable tablet, but people see the static icons on the home screen - now stretched out across a 12.9" screen - and assume it's not a very advanced OS.
Also, didn't Steve Jobs once say 9.7" was the smallest screen you could have for a tablet? He seemed to leave open the possibility for a bigger tablet.
Last thought: Most people say iOS needs more iPad-only features. I hope this is starting to happen. In one update, Apple added split-screen multitasking, picture-in-picture and introduced a larger iPad with a Wacom-esk stylus. If they have more in store along those lines for next year, that'll be great.
Also, didn't Steve Jobs once say 9.7" was the smallest screen you could have for a tablet? He seemed to leave open the possibility for a bigger tablet.
Last thought: Most people say iOS needs more iPad-only features. I hope this is starting to happen. In one update, Apple added split-screen multitasking, picture-in-picture and introduced a larger iPad with a Wacom-esk stylus. If they have more in store along those lines for next year, that'll be great.
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It's not a perfect solution by any means, but one could always plug the pencil into another iOS device.
Personally, I don't get why so much attention is placed on portrayals in the media. Women can come complain to me when there is a male black engineer/geek that doesn't have a muscular 6-pack as the main lead character.
Tech journalists rarely know enough about what they're looking at to say anything meaningful, especially about something like a stylus. At best they'll write the name of their site in huge balloon letters, say "it seemed to work fine, but I don't know if I'd use it," and move on. I suppose if you were capable of being an engineer you probably wouldn't be a tech journalist in the first place.
The one thing I hear them parroting when talking about pen input is the number of pressure sensitivity levels. Not only is this one of the less important stats about a stylus (latency, accuracy, linearity, minimum activation pressure, these are all more important than pressure resolution), it's also marketing nonsense.
There's a reason this stat is always a power of 2: It doesn't refer to anything except the number of bits used to handle the pressure data. It tells you nothing about the precision of the sensor itself. Any sensor will have a min/max range and a "resolution," the minimum difference in force it can detect. The trick is that while a given sensor may only realistically have 300 levels of pressure sensitivity, you can use an 11 bit integer (0-2047) to represent it and say "our system supports up to 2048 levels of pressure." The PEN SENSOR may not, bit the "system" does. Wacom does it this way so I expect the rest of the industry to stick with it.
So my point is that you basically can't trust the tech sites to tell you anything meaningful about a pen digitizer. Have to wait for real artists to buy the thing and assess it. Even then it can be hard to pick out the signal from noise (guys I drew a stick figure it works great I don't know what you're complaining about).
Lag is really hard to assess on these videos because there are 3 primary sources which you can't separate unless the device has an OS-level cursor visible (like most systems running Wacom hardware).
-Core tracking latency. Includes hardware communication latency, any interpolation done at the hardware/driver level before the input is handed off to software. We'll also put the system's overall input lag (display lag, etc.) in here because you can't change it with software.
-Software performance lag: Brush engines are heavier CPU hitters than you might believe, and in cases where the brush engine is bottlenecked by the CPU (generally single core) you'll experience extra lag.
-Software interpolation lag: Some brush engines are laggy by design (example: Artrage). They may need to buffer some number of input events in order to achieve a certain effect, like simulating materials.
So since all three of these potentially contribute to lag and the Pencil doesn't implement an OS-level cursor there's no way to tell what you're seeing. Is the Pencil laggy, or is the brush engine from the app not optimized well? Maybe only some brushes are laggy because they use more interpolation? Are other drawing apps more responsive? Impossible to know without actually testing it in more detail.
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