Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Mac'nCheese

Suspended
Feb 9, 2010
3,752
5,108
With all the iphone posts lately (last few days), I see more and more insults to members with derogatory name calling and put downs where it is making these forums not pleasant to read through

Has everyone noticed this? I have been reporting but that of course isn't stemming the issue really. I feel that the "culture" of MR has become more immature lately and I don't know how this can change for the better. I have noticed that these cases are largely done by relatively new or not substantially active members.

Have you been reporting these types of posts?

Stop being such a baby and man up. Why are moaning about these posts, lose the skirt and fight back if someone insults you, you little crying baby.

Just Kidding!! Just Kidding!!! Don't report me, I agree 100% with you about the rudeness, and always report anyone who simply can't let what they think is a "dumb" question go without posting how much better and smarter they are then the poster. But I disagree with the last part. I see that these cases are done by those who know everything about apple and have to prove how wonderful they are to the nubbies. What a sad life they must have if they can't even be polite and helpful on the internet without the cruel remarks. I guess they feel better about their mean bosses, fat wives and ugly kids when they act tough on the net. Makes up for losing their lunch money that day, maybe. You get my point.....
 

chrono1081

macrumors G3
Jan 26, 2008
8,476
4,329
Isla Nublar
There are actually a lot worse forums out there. The gamedev.com forums will ban you for anything (especially if you are in JPetrie's forum). I got banned for replying to a post that somewhere in its 20 pages of responses the moderator wrote "Anyone who responds to this thread will be banned". Well, I got banned because the moderator didn't use intelligence and close the thread.

Or there is always the clique that is the FredMiranda.com wedding photographers thread. A NASTY bunch those are if you happen to critique a photo that one of them or their friends took.
 

-aggie-

macrumors P6
Jun 19, 2009
16,793
51
Where bunnies are welcome.
Stop being such a baby and man up. Why are moaning about these posts, lose the skirt and fight back if someone insults you, you little crying baby.

Just Kidding!! Just Kidding!!! Don't report me, I agree 100% with you about the rudeness, and always report anyone who simply can't let what they think is a "dumb" question go without posting how much better and smarter they are then the poster. But I disagree with the last part. I see that these cases are done by those who know everything about apple and have to prove how wonderful they are to the nubbies. What a sad life they must have if they can't even be polite and helpful on the internet without the cruel remarks. I guess they feel better about their mean bosses, fat wives and ugly kids when they act tough on the net. Makes up for losing their lunch money that day, maybe. You get my point.....

Sorry, I already reported you before reading the second paragraph. :D

Yeah, I see that on here all the time. They're actually probably meek little nerds sitting behind their computer screen.
 

Doctor Q

Administrator
Staff member
Sep 19, 2002
39,844
7,681
Los Angeles
Of course there could be a system that a thread must be approved by a mod before it's visible for others.
It's not just new threads by new users, but new posts by new users that could often use increased scrutiny. However, with many thousands of forum posts made every day, and over 1000 new threads per day on the busiest days, it wouldn't be practical without a much bigger team of "approvers". And big teams wouldn't be very consistent about what they approve because it's so often a judgment call. Some posts are clearly worthless and some are clearly important and well thought out, but the majority are in the middle.

We have learned more and more about spotting spam quickly. We now catch and eliminate many spam/advertising posts and posts by shills that we previously didn't catch as quickly. You'll see that we sometimes put "[merged]" in a thread title as we merge duplicate threads, but we haven't yet found an efficient way to catch them all. The post reports about duplicate threads that give us the "other" thread's URL are really helpful.

If would also help if Apple would stop releasing cool products. :cool:
 

Consultant

macrumors G5
Jun 27, 2007
13,314
35
Stop being such a baby and man up. Why are moaning about these posts, lose the skirt and fight back if someone insults you, you little crying baby.

Just Kidding!! Just Kidding!!! Don't report me, I agree 100% with you about the rudeness, and always report anyone who simply can't let what they think is a "dumb" question go without posting how much better and smarter they are then the poster. But I disagree with the last part. I see that these cases are done by those who know everything about apple and have to prove how wonderful they are to the nubbies. What a sad life they must have if they can't even be polite and helpful on the internet without the cruel remarks. I guess they feel better about their mean bosses, fat wives and ugly kids when they act tough on the net. Makes up for losing their lunch money that day, maybe. You get my point.....

I believe most people like to help.

Most people just don't want to see the same question / comment over and over again.

It's not just new threads by new users, but new posts by new users that could often use increased scrutiny. However, with many thousands of forum posts made every day, and over 1000 new threads per day on the busiest days, it wouldn't be practical without a much bigger team of "approvers". And big teams wouldn't be very consistent about what they approve because it's so often a judgment call. Some posts are clearly worthless and some are clearly important and well thought out, but the majority are in the middle.

We have learned more and more about spotting spam quickly. We now catch and eliminate many spam/advertising posts and posts by shills that we previously didn't catch as quickly. You'll see that we sometimes put "[merged]" in a thread title as we merge duplicate threads, but we haven't yet found an efficient way to catch them all. The post reports about duplicate threads that give us the "other" thread's URL are really helpful.

If would also help if Apple would stop releasing cool products. :cool:

There are at least a few known trolls/shills with high post counts that MR does nothing about though.

Yeah Apple should just hire all the wannabes to put out boring products based on specs. =p
 

Hellhammer

Moderator emeritus
Dec 10, 2008
22,164
582
Finland
It's not just new threads by new users, but new posts by new users that could often use increased scrutiny. However, with many thousands of forum posts made every day, and over 1000 new threads per day on the busiest days, it wouldn't be practical without a much bigger team of "approvers". And big teams wouldn't be very consistent about what they approve because it's so often a judgment call. Some posts are clearly worthless and some are clearly important and well thought out, but the majority are in the middle.

We have learned more and more about spotting spam quickly. We now catch and eliminate many spam/advertising posts and posts by shills that we previously didn't catch as quickly. You'll see that we sometimes put "[merged]" in a thread title as we merge duplicate threads, but we haven't yet found an efficient way to catch them all. The post reports about duplicate threads that give us the "other" thread's URL are really helpful.

If would also help if Apple would stop releasing cool products. :cool:

I agree. It was just a random thought which I knew wouldn't work in real life anyway :D Most threads and posts are fine, just like they have to be.

I at least like the newbie threads, easy way to please someone by giving an easy answer. My post count likes them too :p There are always people who aren't so nice like Consultant said but I'm not the one to judge them, that is your and mods' job ;)

As far as I can say, mod team have been doing great job. All my reports have been taken care of. The issue is in the people, not in the way this forum is administrated. Too many cool products and people who have gone crazy because of them isn't the best mixture :D
 

Doctor Q

Administrator
Staff member
Sep 19, 2002
39,844
7,681
Los Angeles
There are at least a few known trolls/shills with high post counts that MR does nothing about though.
We never ignore reported rules violations but one person's "troll" is another person's "differing opinion" and one person's "shill" is another person's "helpful recommendation". Some trolling and shilling is obvious; we quickly get rid of the worst offenders. As a result, what you'll see in the forums tends to be borderline. We often receive accusations of trolling that are really complaints about someone's opinion, not about their purpose for posting, so we have to evaluate them carefully.

High post counts don't excuse anyone from the rules, but they do give the moderators more evidence to evaluate. Looking for a posting pattern in order to judge intent is more time-consuming when many posts are involved, but that's the nature of trolling: it's a pattern and in borderline cases requires looking at a history of posts.

If you or anyone else thinks there is a troll/shill among us then there are a few possibilities:
  1. We don't know about a troll/shill because their trolling/shilling hasn't been reported.
  2. We reviewed the report(s) and studied the user's posts but don't agree that the user is a troll/shill based on what we judge their intent to be.
  3. We're gathering and evaluating evidence. In borderline cases that's what it takes.
  4. We've already issued a time-out or other warning for trolling/shilling but we gave the user another chance to follow the rules.
  5. A post report was just made and we didn't get to it yet!
In cases #2 thru #5 we are doing something about it. In case #1 we're indeed doing nothing about it.
 

craig1410

macrumors 65816
Mar 22, 2007
1,130
911
Scotland
Have you guys looked at what stackoverflow.com are doing?

One really good feature they have is to allow users to "vote up" or "vote down" a given post. It uses very simple up and down arrows to do this. The balance of these votes is shown against each post and these votes also get accumulated under the users forum reputation score.

New website features are enabled or disabled depending on your reputation score.

Seems a good system, could that help to discourage trolls and other trouble makers here?

Craig.
 

costabunny

macrumors 68020
May 15, 2008
2,466
71
Weymouth, UK
personally I'd like to see more public floggings!

in all serious tho - many of us report bad people/posts. Thats about all you can do when keeping it a community (after all freedom of speech n all).

If you get too heavy then things become unfriendly and people will be less inclined to share their views/advice. (e.g. look at the seagate forums - evil mods over there that ban/delete stuff on a whim).

I think we have a pretty good place here and yes volume means there will be lots of less than helpful posts but I think the mods do a good job. (trust me thats no easy job as I mod on several forums and its tough to keep up/keep neutral).

might be possible to add an auto-slap (if a users posts are reported by x number of individuals within x minutes then the poster is restricted for xhours) or something similar (that helps the mods a bit, without being too heavy handed).



now, about iOS4 - it won't run on my nokia so Macs are sh..@%....we shud all getz windoz [jk]
 

Hellhammer

Moderator emeritus
Dec 10, 2008
22,164
582
Finland
Have you guys looked at what stackoverflow.com are doing?

One really good feature they have is to allow users to "vote up" or "vote down" a given post. It uses very simple up and down arrows to do this. The balance of these votes is shown against each post and these votes also get accumulated under the users forum reputation score.

New website features are enabled or disabled depending on your reputation score.

Seems a good system, could that help to discourage trolls and other trouble makers here?

Craig.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/10165767/

robbie's post makes sense. It would just lead to various issues and cause even more anger. Sometimes the truth really hurts and in robbie's example, the 15 year old kid wouldn't thank. he would do the opposite. You can already say "I agree" or "I don't agree". Same thing without complicated system.

In my post above, I mentioned Canadians anger about iPhone coming later to them. People who said it's not that big deal, you can wait two weeks can't you? They got really flamed, even though they told the truth. Apple won't change the schedule no matter how much they rant in iPhone forum. Most people would have just given him minus after minus.

Another issue would be groups that then target on one individual. It has its pros and cons but I don't think it would help at all. What special would they get then? Their own forum with zero posts?
 

yg17

macrumors Pentium
Aug 1, 2004
15,027
3,002
St. Louis, MO
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/10165767/

robbie's post makes sense. It would just lead to various issues and cause even more anger. Sometimes the truth really hurts and in robbie's example, the 15 year old kid wouldn't thank. he would do the opposite. You can already say "I agree" or "I don't agree". Same thing without complicated system.

In my post above, I mentioned Canadians anger about iPhone coming later to them. People who said it's not that big deal, you can wait two weeks can't you? They got really flamed, even though they told the truth. Apple won't change the schedule no matter how much they rant in iPhone forum. Most people would have just given him minus after minus.

Another issue would be groups that then target on one individual. It has its pros and cons but I don't think it would help at all. What special would they get then? Their own forum with zero posts?

And anyone who dared to say that Android or BlackBerry is better than iPhone would probably get minus rated by so many fanboys that they would be autobanned for stating a perfectly valid opinion.
 

Sun Baked

macrumors G5
May 19, 2002
14,937
157
personally I'd like to see more public floggings!

These days that type of erotic sex show too near a school or church can get you arrested for public indecency, with a sexual predator bonus modifier.

Best to keep it behind closed doors. ;)
 

Plymouthbreezer

macrumors 601
Feb 27, 2005
4,337
253
Massachusetts
I do have to say, I remember, and was more fond of, the days when MR wasn't flooded by this deluge of iPhone related posts. I'd say 75% of new members joining these days are here for ONLY the iPhone, and that's kinda sad.
 

DylanLikesPorn

macrumors 6502
May 20, 2010
314
1
How are you viewing iPhone-related posts? Are you clicking on the iPhone forum for fun? You can enter 99 in your user control panel to exclude iPhone posts in your search results.
 

craig1410

macrumors 65816
Mar 22, 2007
1,130
911
Scotland
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/10165767/

robbie's post makes sense. It would just lead to various issues and cause even more anger. Sometimes the truth really hurts and in robbie's example, the 15 year old kid wouldn't thank. he would do the opposite. You can already say "I agree" or "I don't agree". Same thing without complicated system.

In my post above, I mentioned Canadians anger about iPhone coming later to them. People who said it's not that big deal, you can wait two weeks can't you? They got really flamed, even though they told the truth. Apple won't change the schedule no matter how much they rant in iPhone forum. Most people would have just given him minus after minus.

Another issue would be groups that then target on one individual. It has its pros and cons but I don't think it would help at all. What special would they get then? Their own forum with zero posts?

Oh well, just a suggestion... Seems to work really well on stackoverflow but I guess it's a very different, more like-minded community. More like the wild west on here at times... :D
 

Hellhammer

Moderator emeritus
Dec 10, 2008
22,164
582
Finland
Oh well, just a suggestion... Seems to work really well on stackoverflow but I guess it's a very different, more like-minded community. More like the wild west on here at times... :D

Yeah, it wasn't a bad one but I think it has been discussed and processed before like miles said. This is the feedback forum so everyone can give up ideas :cool:
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.