Wrong. HP's decision is short-sighted. This is why Apple is so far ahead of the competition.
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Hewlett Packard Not Convinced of the Value of Thunderbolt
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Wrong. HP's decision is short-sighted. This is why Apple is so far ahead of the competition.
I think TB should try to focus on something. USB3 is focused on replacing (eventually) all USB devices. Its bandwidth will satisfy most of peripherals that USB has been using all along.
If TB is trying to be consumer friendly, Intel should push harder. Just because it's not including (yet) into its chipset design doesn't mean it's a clear sign of its stance on TB/USB3.
USB3 controllers are dirt cheap. A PCI-E based USB3 card can be had for less than $20 on wholesale. A TB controller (the chip only) from what I read is much more expensive making peripheral makers less willingly to adapt such technology. Sure Apple has a huge base of followers, but it still accounts a very small portion of users worldwide. This along makes USB3 more appealing to companies.
TB is a great technology, but that along won't push it to success. Money talks, and TB is giving very little voice.
If TB is trying to be consumer friendly, Intel should push harder. Just because it's not including (yet) into its chipset design doesn't mean it's a clear sign of its stance on TB/USB3.
USB3 controllers are dirt cheap. A PCI-E based USB3 card can be had for less than $20 on wholesale. A TB controller (the chip only) from what I read is much more expensive making peripheral makers less willingly to adapt such technology. Sure Apple has a huge base of followers, but it still accounts a very small portion of users worldwide. This along makes USB3 more appealing to companies.
TB is a great technology, but that along won't push it to success. Money talks, and TB is giving very little voice.
Some people want thunderbolt for extra speed, just like some people want faster internet to download all their [body painting] photos and videos...
Sounds like a PC is the best choice for you! Apple should lower their prices?? Hey, so should Ferrari...... then they would sell like hot-cakes. We don't need that fast engine, speed limit is 65mph over here. Dump the big engine and lower the price. Thats the mentality correct? I'm glad Jobs is making the big decisions.
Short sighted? How often does Apple update their computers again? By the time there is a healthy market of TB peripherals Apple with be refreshing machines and the same people who will really use TB will be wanting to upgrade. HP knows there is no market for it and by time there is a market, people buying computers now will be looking for an upgrade. Hard to be short sighted when so many do ~yearly refreshes.
Well if the comparison is being able to daisy chain, bring it on. I loved my old Firewire devices, they were way faster than any USB at the time (at least the ones on my Mac) and I loved plugging in one cable and getting 3-4 devices up and running on my lap top rather than the mess of cords I have now.
Wow, you sound like a true visionary.....like that Steve Balmer guy!
Who said we would never need more than 64K of RAM?
And who said no one would every want anything bigger then a 15" monitor? Stupid blanket statements are made all the time.
thunderbolt drive
Just picked up a 2011 Macbook Pro and I'm wondering if there's any external hard drives that are supported by thunderbolt? I put a 128gig ssd inside my MBP but i need an external drive for the crazy amounts of media I have, also it'd be nice to have a backup drive.
Just picked up a 2011 Macbook Pro and I'm wondering if there's any external hard drives that are supported by thunderbolt? I put a 128gig ssd inside my MBP but i need an external drive for the crazy amounts of media I have, also it'd be nice to have a backup drive.
Definitely Short sighted, have you seen the list of big-name companies behind the technology?? Cannon just jumped aboard a few days ago as well. Its plain to see that HP will be left behind.
I am amazed people are criticizing HP for this decision. At this point its pointless. Also how many consumers even use USB 2.0 bandwidth. USB 3 with 5Gbps and backward compatibility is enough for 99.99%. Plus there are tons of peripherals that support USB3.
I think its Apple which needs to add USB3, HDMI and Blu Ray to MBP/Imac. These are fundamental stuff that are used heavily today.
I think its Apple which needs to add USB3, HDMI and Blu Ray to MBP/Imac. These are fundamental stuff that are used heavily today.
Skip HP
Hp is just a computer manufacturer. You have to go above them and hit the people who makes the components. They need to get Western Digital, Hitachi, MSI, Bio-Star, AMD, and ASUS on board if they want to sale thunderbolt. Otherwise it will just end up being display port 2.0.
I like apple but they have to realize with only 10% of the computers no one is going to go out of their way to make some hardware that will only work on those machine. Look at display port. No one in the industry uses it but Apple, For people with macs if they want to use a non mac monitor they have to purchase adopters.
Hp is just a computer manufacturer. You have to go above them and hit the people who makes the components. They need to get Western Digital, Hitachi, MSI, Bio-Star, AMD, and ASUS on board if they want to sale thunderbolt. Otherwise it will just end up being display port 2.0.
I like apple but they have to realize with only 10% of the computers no one is going to go out of their way to make some hardware that will only work on those machine. Look at display port. No one in the industry uses it but Apple, For people with macs if they want to use a non mac monitor they have to purchase adopters.
Since you missed the obvious point, when your they going to ship products? I'm going to sell you a car now that can run on this special fuel, increasing power and efficiency but 75% at 1/3 the price gasoline. The only catch is that the fuel isn't going to be readily available for 4 years (average time people keep their vehicles before they upgrade) would you go ahead and buy it now or what until you can easily get the fuel?
There will NOT be a HEALTHY market for peripherals for 2+ years. People buying computers now will be about ready for an upgrade by that time. There is absolutely no value in adding for people looking to buy a computer right now.
I'd wager good money that you use a service running on HP equipment every single day.
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No doubt that Apple will add USB 3 when they stat shipping ivy bridge machines, as for HDMI and blu ray. Blu Ray is about a 50-50% while I would put HDMI at about .05% chance. They have TB for display, doubt they see much need for HDMI.
Logic failure. The chicken has arrived. Apple broke the paradox. Eggs will be on their way. If HP doesn't want to innovate, that is their business.
Not a chance for USB 3. It has no advantages at all compared to Thunderbolt.
What an argument anyway. I'd love a connection that no peripherals can saturate.
Would be nice if someone could explain what "two 10 Gbit channels" per Thunderbolt connector actually means. My understanding is up to 1.25 GByte per second from Mac to all peripherals, and up to 1.25 GByte per second from all peripherals to Mac. There is one peripheral (monitor) with all data going one direction, so you should be able to _read_ 1.25 GByte/sec from hard drives, but write speed would be less.
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All my current hard drives have USB, my PVR has USB, my printer, TV, car and even DAB radio have USB.
Nothing I own, or can buy, has Thunderbolt, so I can see why it has no value. I agree with HP.
Nothing I own, or can buy, has Thunderbolt, so I can see why it has no value. I agree with HP.
When Apple Starts Including TB On iPhones, iPads & iPods
When Apple starts including Thunderbolt on iPhones, iPads and iPods - allowing folks to sync in seconds - HP's machines will look like the junk they typically are.
Thunderbolt also has the enormous advantage of allowing machines with light form factors - like the iMacs, Mac Mini and laptops - access to desktop-class peripherals, such as powerful external graphics cards and high-speed RAID arrays. That'll be very appealing for millions of users.
I suspect that thanks in part to Thunderbolt the desktop PC as we've known it will largely go extinct over the next five years. It'll be replaced by smartphones, tablets and laptops capable of accessing what we currently think of as desktop-class hardware via Thunderbolt as-needed.
HP, as usual, is being caught with its pants down.
When Apple starts including Thunderbolt on iPhones, iPads and iPods - allowing folks to sync in seconds - HP's machines will look like the junk they typically are.
Thunderbolt also has the enormous advantage of allowing machines with light form factors - like the iMacs, Mac Mini and laptops - access to desktop-class peripherals, such as powerful external graphics cards and high-speed RAID arrays. That'll be very appealing for millions of users.
I suspect that thanks in part to Thunderbolt the desktop PC as we've known it will largely go extinct over the next five years. It'll be replaced by smartphones, tablets and laptops capable of accessing what we currently think of as desktop-class hardware via Thunderbolt as-needed.
HP, as usual, is being caught with its pants down.
Desktops will never disappear. Go over to newegg.com you will see just how big of an industry Desktop computers still have. People will always want to play games on their computers, Video editing and Bench marking. Most of the computer innovation in computers comes from Desktops first. Plus it is where most of the Competition with CPUs and GPUs take place.
Hopefully iOS Devices will soon go TB. This would boost TB a lot. For those who do not (yet) have it there should be an USB alternative.
Time Machine Backups are already mentioned. Why do I need SATA III with SSDs everywhere when my backup device is slowed down by the connector?
I think HP fears the licensing costs (other than Intel Motherboard vendors have to pay for it, or am I mistaken?) and want to put some pressure on Intel to lower its costs. This move seems to be a tactical one.
Mac User will use TB and everyone processing media is hoping industry adopts it. Just take a look at musicians who used FW800 to connect their recording equipment or movie makers with huge 1080p files.
There will be TB in future peripheral equipment and every Computer Tech Company who does not implement it will lose some margin to apple and those who have it.
Time Machine Backups are already mentioned. Why do I need SATA III with SSDs everywhere when my backup device is slowed down by the connector?
I think HP fears the licensing costs (other than Intel Motherboard vendors have to pay for it, or am I mistaken?) and want to put some pressure on Intel to lower its costs. This move seems to be a tactical one.
Mac User will use TB and everyone processing media is hoping industry adopts it. Just take a look at musicians who used FW800 to connect their recording equipment or movie makers with huge 1080p files.
There will be TB in future peripheral equipment and every Computer Tech Company who does not implement it will lose some margin to apple and those who have it.
I love Thunderbolt, I think it will be great once the products start hitting the shelves. Why? Thunderbolt is exactly what you make it. Thunderbolt isn't really a protocol, it's a fast external pipeline to put protocols on. Why is that good? It can be anything. Need eSATA? Plug an eSATA adaptor into the TB port. Heck, you can even put full-fledged PCIe expansion cards in external housings and run them off Thunderbolt (graphics card only to a lesser degree, more interesting for storage, networking and multi-monitor solutions).
How is that not cool?
How is that not cool?
People actually think the reason for slow sync speeds is because of USB. Oh my lol
The speed that the data is transferred at is nowhere near the capacity of USB2, sticking a TB port on iDevices will make no difference to sync times until Apple use much faster flash ROM in their products.its backward compatible with USB 2. Over 10 times faster which is sufficient for 99% of peripherals including SSD. Plus there are thousands of peripherals for USB2/3. Do you think 99.9% customers care for TB speeds at all.
I am not saying TB should not exist. But not at the cost of USB3/HDMI. I want to have the ability to connect my laptop to my HDTV without buying another adapter. Almost every laptop releasing these days support hdmi. Apple should also do that. Blu Ray is beneficial considering its price has gone down big time and there is noticible quaity improvement compared to DVD.