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MonstaMash

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Dec 24, 2011
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I've been reporting feedback in the maps app quite frequently.

Hopefully it improves the quality.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
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Quebec, Canada
I think if Apple can improve the time between data reported and data added greatly then you will be in minority. When what you do is easy you tend to do it again and again.

Apple can improve in time that's for sure, there's no way to go for them but up, the current Maps is frankly "bottom of the barrel". The question is how long will it take, can "crowd sourcing" really help them catch up ( since others do it too) and will iOS maps ever be competitive or always remain second rate ?

Frankly, I probably won't be there to find out having moved my mapping to some other provider by then.
 

Daveoc64

macrumors 601
Jan 16, 2008
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Bristol, UK
Apple can improve in time that's for sure, there's no way to go for them but up, the current Maps is frankly "bottom of the barrel". The question is how long will it take, can "crowd sourcing" really help them catch up ( since others do it too) and will iOS maps ever be competitive or always remain second rate ?

Frankly, I probably won't be there to find out having moved my mapping to some other provider by then.

Agree completely.
 

matrix07

macrumors G3
Jun 24, 2010
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Apple can improve in time that's for sure, there's no way to go for them but up, the current Maps is frankly "bottom of the barrel". The question is how long will it take, can "crowd sourcing" really help them catch up ( since others do it too) and will iOS maps ever be competitive or always remain second rate ?

Frankly, I probably won't be there to find out having moved my mapping to some other provider by then.

They have to prove themselves, that's for sure. I even think they're a bit arrogant launching Map like this (not having turn-by-turn for all major countries and no traffic for all countries at launch). If they think they are beyond failure then the reality will bite them hard. A year from now will be very interesting.
 

viewfly

macrumors 65816
May 1, 2009
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I'm curious what others find. A local hotel shows up on the wrong street. But the Yelp info gives the right address. If I type that address into the address bar, it puts my dropped pin at the hotel's correct location. Seems like an overlay problem. That is easily fixed.

Now I have had a simple address take me to the wrong city: that is a different issue.

The turn by turn is very smooth and the large pop up signs are very readable. I'm confident it will work itself out soon.

I figure if Google can come up with Android without any os experience (compared to Apple's 30 yr experience), Apple should be able to do the same with Maps. Street view is something else, but fly over is very useful: just needs to cover more areas.
 

matrix07

macrumors G3
Jun 24, 2010
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I'm curious what others find. A local hotel shows up on the wrong street. But the Yelp info gives the right address. If I type that address into the address bar, it puts my dropped pin at the hotel's correct location. Seems like an overlay problem. That is easily fixed.

I hope it is easily fixed like you said. I found plenty of these misplaced addresses.
 
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matrix07

macrumors G3
Jun 24, 2010
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Do you open Yelp within maps and report a problem? It lets you move the pin to the correct location.

I do but the weird thing is 50% of the misplaced addresses also has another one at the right location so if I report I'm afraid the one at the right location will also be deleted. I think it's the software issue, not data one. The best way is to file a bug report I guess.
 

snorkelman

Cancelled
Oct 25, 2010
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Id have thought that any serious attempt to have users provide speedy corrections would be to remove the requirement to have an iphone in order to do so.

Otherwise many of those who have a big incentive to do so (businesses etc currently missing/incorrectly located) are going to be out of the loop.

Even assuming it gets to stage where it ever has comprehensive, accurate and upto date data to work with, the ability to then serve that up in a relevant manner in response to a users query is a major concern in itself.
 

sneaky butcher

macrumors 6502
Nov 8, 2011
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posted this article in the other thread. This bit relates to user feed back and 3rd party data.

"One of the challenges to licensed data is that when the data is being managed by a third-party company it can take months or even a year or more to update the data you get even when you know something is wrong," Mr McClendon adds.

"Reducing the time frame to minutes has been very very useful to us because typically when users see that their input was heard they give more input."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19536269
 

sneaky butcher

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Nov 8, 2011
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LOL No way.

well to match google apple need to do a street view project if they want to match the depth they have. Thats where a lot of googles data in their maps comes from.

Google maps is also of course linked in to their search engine probably the best in the world. Apple don't have one of those.

i guess it depends how much they invest in that or if they do it at all.
 

patent10021

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Original poster
Apr 23, 2004
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well to match google apple need to do a street view project if they want to match the depth they have. Thats where a lot of googles data in their maps comes from.

Google maps is also of course linked in to their search engine probably the best in the world. Apple don't have one of those.

i guess it depends how much they invest in that or if they do it at all.
Well unless Apple sends cars out they will never have a street view. Maybe some future technology will come along to negate the need for cars equipped with cameras, but that won't be for eons. I think they have pretty much shown us that they have no intention to provide street views. Personally I have needed it though.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
I figure if Google can come up with Android without any os experience (compared to Apple's 30 yr experience)

Google bought Android from someone who had been making mobile OSes since the late 90s. They also basically hired the guy when they bought up his company.

Andy Rubin founded Danger Inc in 1998, went on to make the OS for the Hiptop, known to run on the T-mobile sidekick, left in 2003 to found Android and build the next mobile OS, got bought by Google in 2005.

Google didn't "come up" with Android "without any OS experience". They bought the proper firms up.

Apple essentially tried the same with Maps, buying C3 technologies for 3D mapping and sourcing OpenStreetMap, TomTom and others for mapping data, Yelp! for POIs, etc.. However, it seems Apple may have rushed into things a bit or didn't partner with the right firms, or didn't manage to integrate all the different data formats from the different partners in 1 big coherent database.

That, and they also seem to concentrate on areas of eye candy (the 3D aspects, fly-over, pretty graphics) instead of the actual core of the application itself. They forgot to do maps and basically built this huge marketing engine where they can show off how "great their maps are!" if you forget you're actually trying to get somewhere rather than playing around a computer game.
 

gmanist1000

macrumors 68030
Sep 22, 2009
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I think there was a figure recently released, stating how many people Google had working on their Maps. Roughly 7000, including regular employees and contractors or consultants. That's huge.

Apple has a long way to go. With Google's money and manpower, it's no wonder their maps are so good.

Apple has $110 billion in CASH. They need to hire up some new Maps employees :cool:
 

diamond.g

macrumors G4
Mar 20, 2007
11,394
2,624
OBX
I don't understand why Apple didn't either buy Waze or flat out copy it. Crowd sourced maps can work.
 
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