I'm sorry I have to ask this question; but do you even have the ability yo read for content? Did you even read the questions asked by the person that originally posted them? It is hard for me to grasp the idea that you have the ability to log on yet can't keep a line on the context of the discussion.
The question posed concerned the usability of twelve core machines and was not directed specifically at professional users. In any event I don't really give a damn about Logic, it is only a minor consideration in jusifying multi core machines. Frankly the market for Logic is so small it would never jusify keeping the Mac Pro line around. If you want multi core machines from Apple you really have to understand the larger market for the machines. If you don't then the machines won't be around long.
In any event the point of my response to the original poster is that multi core machines do have uses that encompass everything from the desktop user to the bio engineer.
So? Look at it this way the machine did work didn't it? You did make some bread with it didn't you? The simple fact is there has not been a computer made without bugs in it. Did it take Apple to long to fix it, maybe but I don't have the internal information to say positively. In the mean time they fixed a hell of a lot more important bugs.
So yeah it is not a perfect world but at least Apple had the wisdom to address real security and reliability issues first. It is the only rational thing for them to do because all of the whining about machines that where otherwise working is just that when you are working through a list of critical bugs.
I don't want to undersell the issue of bugs because when they are causing you problems they basically suck. However I do know that for each rev of Mac OS/X that I've installed my machine has gotten better and not worst.
It probably would make sense for me to reflect this question back to you. The reason is simple your needs are so narrow and minor that Apple can't adressed them directly. There is no way that they can let the needs of a small minority of users dictate long term plans for the Mac Pro.
As to why I'm on this thread; well it is pretty simple really, it is to adress the people making irrational demands for rapid Mac Pro releases and to provide balanced answers to questions being posed here.
In other words I'm hoping to provide a perspective that I hope is a little more grounded.
If I'm in the discussion it concerns me. Further the discussion can't concern you because you don't seem to grasp the technology involved nor the value in making random knee jerk updates to the Mac Pro. Just because Intel has released chips over the last few months that might plug into a Mac Pro doesn't imply that they are of value to Apple or that they even fit into Apples Mac Pro plans.
It is very easy for people here to point to the latest ATI or Nvidia video card or the latest Intel CPU and then swear at Apple for not offering said chips immediately. But really what good does that do? Even if Apple delivered said Intel improvement would it offer a significant performance boost? In case you are wondering they wouldn't have.
Oh dismiss my Mac Book Pro if you want but the comments where important to the question I was responding to. Besides it isn't the only machine I have at home, just my favorite. At work there are a lot more but they run Windows so I avoided bringing them into the discussion. The point remains though the utility of multi core processors depends upon what you are doing with them.
Dave
Davey boy, we need to have a little lesson here. (I'm a very busy person and I don't have the kind of to play "tit for tat" like you seem to have.)
First and foremost, 11 months of overheating on the Mac Pro when ANY audio is played is unacceptable. 11 months to fixed a problem that didn't exist in MacPro3,1 and prior. This was a problem that didn't exist even in Hackintosh with the same 1366 socket motherboard. "Security and reliability?" Don't you think that overheating is a serious reliability issue that should have been addressed immediately...not 11 MONTHS later? What were the other "security" issues? The way the cultish types around here strut, you'd think that a Mac could stop a nuclear warhead let alone an intruder or virus. I realize that you don't care about Logic, but it IS the crown jewel of Apple software right now. Nearly every major producer is using it or contemplating switching from Pro Tools. It's a small niche but take $500 per copy and multiply that by over 1,000,000 users and climbing, it isn't as "niche" as you might think in terms of market value. Onwards:
1) I understand the topic. The topic is about whether or not the 6 core processor is appropriate for the Mac Pro. That includes, but is not limited to, those users of said possible future Mac Pro and current models of the Mac Pro. I am one of those individuals.
2) The Mac Pro is important to Apple just as big ticket yet low volume automobiles are to companies like Chrysler who buy into sports car companies. There are others but that's the most recent example. If you do not understand why or why not this is the case then you are not in this class of buyer. Ironically even when I first started out and had nothing, I still understood this concept even if nobody else I knew understood it.
3) The problem with your argument only BEGAN you cited Garageband. Honestly I have no idea if it uses all of the cores or not. It probably does not and it would not need to do so since it's a toy app. I'm sure that a talented producer could use it but they'd be foolish to do so when time constraints and deadlines become an issue. This is where 64 bit Logic and all of its monster plugins enters the picture (they are optimized for multi-core also). But once again you miss the mark entirely with your ramblings. You see Dave, the difference between you and I is that I LOVE IT when I'm WRONG. Because then I can LEARN something new. But I'm not wrong in this case. Take your time to study Compressor and the many 3rd party plugins that it uses. The biggest movie studios uses these same apps even though they have proprietary software. Sony uses the same compressors that are used by podcast or Youtube producers. Said software uses ALL of the cores. It has to do so or you will be sitting there for DAYS if it didn't or if you ran it on a Mac Pro.
Compressor is only the beginning. Obviously there is Logic. Take your time and research and find out the rest. You might find it fairly interesting. The next major one will be Adobe CS5 and probably Final Cut Studio 4. About F'n time.
4) You speak of the lack of hardware and how it "doesn't exist". This is where your argument not only falls down, but it crashes and burns. The new Xeon 5600 chips work on the SAME 1366 socket Intel board that the 2009 Mac Pro uses! NO RETOOLING REQUIRED. Did you know that another Intel based motherboard company, EVGA, just released their EVGA CLASSIFIED SR2? This is designed for the 5600. If EVGA had it done before the end of 2009 and released it recently at an SRP of $599 then why can't Apple do the same?
So again, this is a case of what is and what is not. Check out the compressors. Look at motherboard companies who have updated their 1366 socket motherboard bios to be compatible with the Gulftown 6 core processors. If they worked in Hackintosh systems well before the official release in the form of Engineering Samples, then what is stopping Apple? Nothing...unless they want the Hackintosh community to build the drivers to USB 3.0 hardware for them. That and SATA III support would be nice.
I'll agree with you on one thing. The non-use of higher threads is really getting on my nerves. Sometimes I get lazy and play with iWeb for websites I help for my computer illiterate friends who have business endeavors. That bloated piece of crap bogs down my Mac Pro more than Compressor in full render mode using all 16 virtual cores.
So again, I know exactly where you are coming from but your blanket statement and our "whinings" are not covered by said statement. The fact that you've shown that you don't know anything about my industry and the importance of it to Apple is why I broke my usual silence on polarized forums such as these. So if you don't want to do your homework with respect to what I've offered to you now, then there's no more to say.
