LMAO! I guess you don't know how to read any of the links as they all say the same thing....Google Now sucks at basic PIM functions. Try searching your Android sites again.
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iPhone 5s Top-Selling Smartphone at All U.S. Carriers, iPhone 5c Takes Third
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LMAO! I guess you don't know how to read any of the links as they all say the same thing....Google Now sucks at basic PIM functions. Try searching your Android sites again.
I'm done with this Tony. The best you have shown is that the two are equal as your links stated.
I'm very confused. In most of your posts you claim the 5c is a low end phone because it sells for half the subsided price of the S4, and is a failure because it is not outselling the S4. Now you say the 5c is a high-end phone, and is a failure because other phones have a higher spec?
I never ever said 5c is sold as a low-end phone or be regarded as a low-end phone by anybody.
The fact that 5c is sold in the US at half of the price as S4 does not hide the fact that 5c is put into the high-end smartphone section by Apple. In fact, not just 5c, Apple is still even leaving 4S in the high-end smartphone section to compete. It’s clear that Apple cares ONLY the profit margin (xx%), in comparison it cares very very few about the total units of sales or the total profit (for which total units of sales is in fact as important as the profit margin), what a pity of them!!
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Good old circular logic! If we assume a future where Apple doesn't do well, then we can prove that Apple isn't going to do well in the future.
The amount of facts that you made up to support your claims in this thread is impressive.
I was not trying to prove anything, I was only trying to explain to people who replied me and hope to give them another chance to understand a fact, a non-debatable fact:
1. Apple *IS* already heading a very very dangerous path for quite some time.
2. The ONLY way for it to avoid the fatal destiny is to adversely change course NOW!!!
Based on arbitrary definitions that you create to support your argument.
It's clear based on... nothing.
You don't seem to have any idea what a fact is. Most references you've made in this thread to actual facts have been wrong.
1. Although S4 is put to sale on the US market on April, its earliest shipping date was on March, just not to the US market.
2. 5c wasnt fully outsold by S4 until late November, which is the date and event my comments were about.
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Does reality factor into any of your arguments?
When the topic is about strategy, you have to look far beyond the current status and focus on analyzing the trend.
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Well... just like in my earlier comment... there will also be a bunch of crappy Android tablets on the market... inflating Android's tablet market share. But I don't think a growth in Android tablets will reverse developers' attitude about Android.
We've seen how Android developers are taking advantage of all that Android smartphone market share, right?
Developers are already ignoring the fact that 8 out of 10 smartphones sold today are running Android... and are continuing to focus on the iPhone. And I predict the same thing will happen when Android tablets have more market share than the iPad.
It's not like the Google Play Store is barren though... there are plenty of Android apps available to the billion Android devices out there.
But iPhone apps are out-performing Android apps in sales and revenue... despite iPhone only having 12% smartphone market share.
Translation: higher market share is NOT helping Android.
Or in other words... Apple's lack of smartphone market share does NOT equal a lack of app revenue for developers.
And I don't see that changing when Android tablets have the most market share either.
Hope your prediction turns to be the truth, not mine. Unfortunately that is possible only if Google does not do anything to fix Androids current drawback of this, which I dont see a high chance to happen.
In comparison, a better chance for Apple to stay alive longer is if Windows grab enough market share (phone and tablets combined) from Android in time (mostly in the tablet market) so that Android, iOS and Windows will all look relevant to most of the developers. However, its so unclear whether Windows could achieve that in time.
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This news piece we are commenting about is talking of the US market, so the actual US prices of these devices are the relevant factors for analysis, not their prices in other places.
Source?
Here's an article from the beginning of April speculating on when the S4 would begin shipping to non-US countries.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2013/04/samsung-galaxy-s4-expected-to-begin-shipping-in-mid-april-rumor/
Seems like another of your made up facts.
Even with your made up dates, March to November = 8 months. Reality is still an April 26 release. Less than 5 months before the 5S and 5C.
Absolutely. But you also have to consider reality and not just stuff you made up to fit your argument.
This news piece we were commenting about is talking of the US market, so when you do the analysis about it, you should consider the price in the US market. To most of the US consumers, $99 is the price of 5c and $199 is the price of S4, whether that is a wrong perception of theirs or not is irrelevant to this analysis, since the sales data revolves around those decisions made on top of the (mis)perception, not the (hidden) fact beneath that.
No, the real No. 1 factor for Apple’s share of industry profit drop from 90% to <50% is because Apple is no longer holding the majority of the high-end section of the smartphone market. Start from mid 2012, high-end Android smartphones (combined) have been outselling Apple’s iPhone.
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Common sense comparing with the past if you did worse this time, you are having a failure.
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Based on arbitrary definitions that you create to support your argument.
It's clear based on... nothing.
You don't seem to have any idea what a fact is. Most references you've made in this thread to actual facts have been wrong.
You dont seem to have any idea what is discussion. You only care about arguing and win itself, so never really try to comprehend during the argument.
Are you really a man without the very most basic common sense how to define the high-end, middle range and low-end section in a market? And, is it so difficult for you to check around the global market to find out how many smartphones are sold each year and what are their price ranges?
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Right there told you it was not the most profitable PC maker, until it saved itself using Windows.
No, if you just fall down from the top of a 11-story building, and at present you are just at the 10-story height, even though you are still up-high at present, you dont have a bright future to stay high above.
Although Apple still sold a lot of 5c this quarter, the year-over-year growth (Q4 2012 - Q4 2013, in units sold) of its second-level smartphone would clearly be slower than the average smartphone market, and even slower than the whole high-end section of the smartphone market, that has to be considered a failure.
So basically you only want people to consider the factors that fit your discussion. We only consider the US market when it fits your argument, and we only consider the global market when that fits your argument.Source on both of these claims?
Only if you are analyzing the situation with blinders on. Did you consider that Apple's strategy may have shifted more sales to the higher priced 5S while increasing the margins on the 5C? Or that Apple has successfully shifted more sales to it's own stores? Or that significant discounts at retailers such as Best Buy have shifted sales of the 5C from the carrier stores?
At the US carriers being discussed, it is reasonable to count the free 4S at low-end, the 5C at mid-range, and the 5S at high-end. There are definitely different ways to look at it.
Like I said, you just keep switching your reference group anytime that it fits your argument.
Correlation does not imply causation.
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Why are you comparing year over year growth on a product that's only been out for roughly three months? There's not enough data to project anything but near future potential.
It's success or failure comes down to one very simple thing: is it making money?
From all accounts, it is. It didn't make as much as they initially predicted, but it's still selling solidly. They're making a profit off of it.
Now if the 5c were all Apple had in their line up, they'd be in trouble. But it's not, it's a supplementary device for the big gun that is the 5s, which is selling spectacularly. By itself, it might not be making enough to carry the entire company, but it's still generating cash for them to put in their pockets.
So no, it's not a failure.
No matter S4 was already a 7 month old phone or a 9 month old phone when it outsold 5c, the main point doesnt change its the first time that a second-level iPhone ever being outsold by another model older than it, and even just in the first quarter it is released.
I wonder whether Apple will ever wake up to the truth when its flagship iPhone model is outsold by another model older than it.
Who says Apple is asleep? If you even understood how Apple does business you would know that Apple sells iOS devices and If one iOS device sells more than another they are perfectly fine with it. I love it how everybody on this forum thinks they are so much smarter than any of these tech companies. Smh smh
Facts matter. You repeated an incorrect fact over and over again in this thread. Obviously, you thought it meant something.
The number of contortions in this claim is just silly. It overstates the difference between the 5C and the 5. It neglects to mention that the statistics are for carrier sales only. And it ignores all the alternate explanations for the statistics that I mentioned in my previous post.
I thought you were focused "on analyzing the trend"? In the US, that means increasing iPhone market share. With what you see as a decreasing position for the 5C.
When the analysis is about the situation in the US market only, you need to use the factors in the US.
When the analysis is about the overall problem with Apple, you need to play down the factors in the US and consider the global market in a whole.
Do your own research if you doubt it.
Those are all much less important comparing with the bigger picture of the competition between Apple and other smartphone manufacturers, since if Apple totally lose that competition, all of the minor improvements you listed above would no longer matter.
Sure, though worse than previous years, Apple has been still doing well, no survival issue to worry about or to discuss, as long as the subsidization is still the main stream.
Depending on which issue you are analyzing, you sure need to look at the factors relevant to the topic.
unless there are logical reasoning can be established. In this case, people worrying about compatibility is what makes the correlation into a clear causation.Correlation does not imply causation.
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You set the standard too low. Apple is not just *a company, it is *THE* company. If Apple ever becomes a mediocre company, its already a big big failure.
5s is a success, I never disagree about that. What I was talking about is about its second-tier smartphone 5c.
And yet here you are drawing conclusions about the overall problem with Apple using data based on a limited portion of the US market. That's my point. There is no consistency to your argument.
That's not how things work. You made the claim. It's up to you to support it.
You are once again shifting goalposts. The scenarios had nothing to do with a "bigger picture." They were simply various possible explanations that fit the facts being discussed. Something more nuanced than your "third place = fail" logic.Again, nothing to do with the comment that you are responding to.
Absolutely, but you are choosing those factors arbitrarily and changing them within the same argument.
I'm not arguing it's not a factor. There is simply no evidence that it was the factor as you imply.I have two main statements in this thread, one is about the US market, specifically about Apples 5c sales being worse comparing with 4S sales this time last year (not the total units, but the competitive results with other manufacturers).
The other thread is about Apples global performance degradation over the last 2 years. For this statements, I used nothing in this news piece. In another words, I didnt use this data about the US market for the topic about global performance.
That's a nice attempt to rewrite history. Unfortunately, what you actually said is still a part of this thread.
For example, with your 5C discussion, you want to classify the 5C by it's subsidized price (half the price of S4) and it's unsubsidized price (high end) within the same argument. You call the 5C an unqualified failure based on a limited data point in one market based on a completely arbitrary standard of success. And then when I addressed your argument directly with alternative explanations for the data points in the OP, you dismissed them as being "much less important comparing with the bigger picture".
And with your global argument, you don't even bother to present anything other than an unsupported theory and the assumption that all negative trends will continue and all positive trends will reverse. It's circular logic.
What little actual facts that you have referenced have been shown to be wrong, or you have refused to provide documentation to support them.
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Wrong, in my statement about 5c being a failure, I specifically the US market environment as arguments. I kept comparing with its performance with the 4S performance in the last year.
For Apples global performance failure, 5cs sales number isnt even important. That trend has been established for years and there is no way to possibly reverse, unless Apple quickly change its course. I dont even need ANY statistics to prove it, its just common sense the price/performance ratio which 99% of people base on when they spend any of their hard-earn money. Sure, that may not be the case for you and your circle, since you are possibly a lawyer (or something similar) who always gets a lot of money for doing almost nothing.
Google Now cannot navigate from contacts using voice commands like Siri does. I have tried it on a galaxy S3 and an HTC One GPe phone and it did not work on either one. Google Now cannot look up an address from my phone contacts and navigate to it when I give it the voice command.
Wrong? I provided specifics claims that you made in this thread.
You don't seem to need any statistics to support anything you say.At least you are consistent in jumping to wild conclusions based on nothing more than your own fantasy.
This just shows that the other manufacturers need to step up. With only two horses in the race this will slow down innovation which hurts everyone.