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Sonmi451

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Just admit it. Apple screwed up. Stop making excuses. Jesus Christ. They aren't the end all phones. Apple can screw up just like Samsung lol

I have nothing to admit since I don't have my phone yet. By all forum accounts users are having minimal problems with multiple tabs. Stop being a spec whore!!
 

StyxMaker

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Inside my head.
My ex said a well placed vibrator with a bigger battery was better. But I don't trust him, he uses an Android phone.

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Having even one tumblr page with many images can cause refreshing. I am not sure that that will improve appreciably with 2MB of RAM, but the refreshing does interfere with my porn...I mean photo research.:mad:


It has been my experience that Tab refreshes happen on dynamic pages the change a lot and not on static pages that don't change very much.
 

bawbac

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I have nothing to admit since I don't have my phone yet. By all forum accounts users are having minimal problems with multiple tabs. Stop being a spec whore!!
Have you been living under a rock?
The issue with Safari crashing or reloading when multiple tabs are open has been reported, tested and documented in many articles and right here at MR.

It you use your phone for emails, texting, phone calls and playing yo gabba, then yes, 1GB is probably enough for you but those of use who like to use other aspects of the phone need more RAM.

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It has been my experience that Tab refreshes happen on dynamic pages the change a lot and not on static pages that don't change very much.
You can also make Safari crash with a single webpage like Facebook.
Instead of using the FB app, use Safari.
Go to your page and start scrolling/paging down through your posts.
Once you page down a few times, Safari can't cashe or store the new data anymore and.... BOOM! It crashes and shuts down.

1GB is not enough!
 

Sonmi451

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Have you been living under a rock?
The issue with Safari crashing or reloading when multiple tabs are open has been reported, tested and documented in many articles and right here at MR.

It you use your phone for emails, texting, phone calls and playing yo gabba, then yes, 1GB is probably enough for you but those of use who like to use other aspects of the phone need more RAM.!

Woah, wait a minute...there's a yo gabba gabba game?? My daughter is going to love this...

Also, no it hasn't been documented at all because the phone just came out today.
 

Keirasplace

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Aug 6, 2014
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We'll pass on the word to people that if they want to browse more than one web page, dump the iPad/iPhone and get a laptop/desktop.

I think Apple will thank you...

Give me a break, one web page. Can browse 5 on my lowly 3GS. Depends on the page and what's in it mostly and what you do besides browsing.

BTW, Tumblr is the worse mess of page that I've ever seen, so no wonder that crap would reload. It's actually long to load ON THE DESKTOP!! A lot of modern sites are a nightmare if you look at the sources (those are the ones I see, I don't even want to think about the back-end coding!).


BTW, we were building web pages dynamically with Javascript, CSS, php and mysql in 1998, on dog slow machine with very low amount of ram (we had to test these things on the low end). Even those dog machines, running non optimized early javascript had better performance than some of those so called modern sites that have much more tools at their disposal.

The fact we had to pipe our interactive sites through the client's 56K modems meant we really had to think about what we were doing...

But, we were computer, software and systems engineers with 4 years of university behind us doing web as a sideline and not the HACKS that code web sites these days (certainly a cheaper option for sure... ).
 

StyxMaker

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Inside my head.
But thousands, perhaps millions, call Apple Care every year complaining that the phone is rebooting by itself and that apps are crashing. Just because they don't know what RAM is and can't identify the problem, it doesn't mean the problem is not there.


How did you get your numbers? Did Apple supply them?
 

Retired Cat

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I just looked at the 6+ and 6 teardowns at iFixit, and I'm liking the design very much. The design seems very much like the 5, and that makes battery replacement relatively easy! Cool that Apple made the TouchID connection secure from accidental breakage.
 

Keirasplace

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Sounds like a beer bet that I'll take!

There are plenty of laboratories that have been working on battery technology since the MP3 'revolution.'

Here's a start: http://www.extremetech.com/computin...hium-ion-battery-capacity-with-spongy-silicon

T-Minus 5 years and 4 months until you buy the beer!

I don't doubt it. I'm well aware of all the new techs in the pipeline, many have been moments from commercial production for decades... But,. it won't go to the scale you're talking about in 5 years. Maybe 10, but not 5.

Those techs WILL be used before that in smaller scale deployments.

Specialized commercial applications are the first to come on line in any tech is about to emerge; look for the future large scale battery techs in those products.

Large scale production at the Iphone level takes something that's been tested to death and used in smaller scale productions without issue for several years BEFORE even thinking about doing it.

Battery tech is slow moving even when there is a revolution going on ;-).
 

cmanbrazil

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Apple knows page reloading is an issue. For some reason-could be cost or design-Apple decided to use one gig of ram. It can't be changed in this model, so some are going to have to make a decision on whether or not to buy the phone.

Previously I had been too slow to notice the issue until my dear friends here brought it up. I never realized why I kept losing my place on this
Forum and had to sign in again every so often. However with my new found knowledge I will now buy an iPhone because the strengths outweigh the weaknesses.

I left android because I was tired of not getting os updates on time or not at all. I do miss the widgets of android and its great customization. However, the os irritation outweighed the benefits.

I support people rights to bitch and moan, and understand where it's coming from. However the deed is done so let's move on.
 

choplifter

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Nov 6, 2012
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It's like living in a bizzaro world.

Every time Apple has something lacking compared to others (e.g. screen size, memory size, features), Apple apologists make the same excuses -

- its enough, no one needs more
- making it better would compromise the phone
- specs don't matter
- Apple must have its reasons, they are looking out for us!

Then a few years later when Apple does get the feature (and rest assured, they *will* increase the RAM), the tune changes completely -

- its better than competition who did it years ago
- Apple did it right

Why?

/thread
 

thetruest

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Oct 21, 2012
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That's a low bar you set.:D

Me too. I stopped loading more than two tabs at the same time anyway. If I used Safari on my iPhone or iPad then I would care but since I don't... glad it's only 1gb. :rolleyes:

What? You *could* have said, "Glad they stuck with 1GB. I don't want to pay extra $$$ for additional RAM.

But you certainly can't be glad they stuck with 1GB if they could have put 2GB in there and kept the price the same.

And the "No reason we need any more" line is just dumb. There is always a reason for more RAM. If you don't need it, your apps don't use it. But it's better to have than have not my friend.

Just dumb.

Not really. More ram = more power consumption and less battery efficacy, possibly more space/bulk, weight etc. For wut could be negligible gains, if any
 

mobilebuddha

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any real life performances on safari on the iPhone, does it refresh pages often (when you switch to a different task, etc)?

I have to say that Safari on my iPad Air has been performing MUCH better ever since upgrading to iOS 8. I'm seeing significantly less refreshes. I had 6 tabs open, with different pages that I normally visit. The refreshes seem to have gone away for the most part.
 

bill-p

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Not really. More ram = more power consumption and less battery efficacy, possibly more space/bulk, weight etc. For wut could be negligible gains, if any

Not really.

God...

I wanted to NOT answer this so hard, but I simply MUST because there is so much misinformation here.

More RAM capacity != more power consumption.

More RAM chips would mean more power consumption, yes, but Apple could have easily fit 2GB or even 4GB in their A8 SoC with the same number of chips.

Meaning... they could have easily added multiple times more RAM capacity in their SoC without significantly adding to power draw.

Just as an idea... the actual power draw of DDR3L RAM for mobile application is about 36mW/Hr, or 0.036W/Hr.

The iPhone 6 plus has a 2915mAh battery rated at 3.7V, which gives approximately 10.7V.

So even when the RAM is constantly on, it's only consuming about 0.3-0.4% of the battery at any random time.

Assuming your logic of "more RAM means more power consumption" still somehow applies because Apple engineers suck at condensing RAM chips, then the power draw would still be less than 1%, so the battery life saving would not be significant at all compared to other components.

Also to debunk the second myth: since Apple could use the same number of chips, there would be no extra space needed. And it won't add more weight either. The SoC accounts for a very minuscule portion of the device's weight.

The omission of higher capacity RAM in newer iOS devices is merely because they wanted to improve profit margins as stated. Higher capacity RAM chips need tighter tolerance, so tighter testing procedures and higher part cost would lead to less profit for them.

Plain and simple.

They are still a business in the end.
 

Tech198

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Not kidding...

Look at the size of that thing..We're getting to be like a Mac, where 90% is battery, 10% components PCB etc.

Its good then once you can get in, Apple's making it easier, not harder, where as the iPad Air is the reverse of that.

While Apple could probably have fitted 2 or 4 Gig, how would that have effected power ? add that most would be not used anyway, since most apps don't actually use 4 Gig.
 

iphone5att64

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Sep 19, 2012
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Not really.

God...

I wanted to NOT answer this so hard, but I simply MUST because there is so much misinformation here.

More RAM capacity != more power consumption.

More RAM chips would mean more power consumption, yes, but Apple could have easily fit 2GB or even 4GB in their A8 SoC with the same number of chips.

Meaning... they could have easily added multiple times more RAM capacity in their SoC without significantly adding to power draw.

Just as an idea... the actual power draw of DDR3L RAM for mobile application is about 36mW/Hr, or 0.036W/Hr.

The iPhone 6 plus has a 2915mAh battery rated at 3.7V, which gives approximately 10.7V.

So even when the RAM is constantly on, it's only consuming about 0.3-0.4% of the battery at any random time.

Assuming your logic of "more RAM means more power consumption" still somehow applies because Apple engineers suck at condensing RAM chips, then the power draw would still be less than 1%, so the battery life saving would not be significant at all compared to other components.

Also to debunk the second myth: since Apple could use the same number of chips, there would be no extra space needed. And it won't add more weight either. The SoC accounts for a very minuscule portion of the device's weight.

The omission of higher capacity RAM in newer iOS devices is merely because they wanted to improve profit margins as stated. Higher capacity RAM chips need tighter tolerance, so tighter testing procedures and higher part cost would lead to less profit for them.

Plain and simple.

They are still a business in the end.

Sticky this post.
 

thetruest

macrumors regular
Oct 21, 2012
131
0
Not really.

God...

I wanted to NOT answer this so hard, but I simply MUST because there is so much misinformation here.

More RAM capacity != more power consumption.

More RAM chips would mean more power consumption, yes, but Apple could have easily fit 2GB or even 4GB in their A8 SoC with the same number of chips.

Meaning... they could have easily added multiple times more RAM capacity in their SoC without significantly adding to power draw.

Just as an idea... the actual power draw of DDR3L RAM for mobile application is about 36mW/Hr, or 0.036W/Hr.

The iPhone 6 plus has a 2915mAh battery rated at 3.7V, which gives approximately 10.7V.

So even when the RAM is constantly on, it's only consuming about 0.3-0.4% of the battery at any random time.

Assuming your logic of "more RAM means more power consumption" still somehow applies because Apple engineers suck at condensing RAM chips, then the power draw would still be less than 1%, so the battery life saving would not be significant at all compared to other components.

Also to debunk the second myth: since Apple could use the same number of chips, there would be no extra space needed. And it won't add more weight either. The SoC accounts for a very minuscule portion of the device's weight.

The omission of higher capacity RAM in newer iOS devices is merely because they wanted to improve profit margins as stated. Higher capacity RAM chips need tighter tolerance, so tighter testing procedures and higher part cost would lead to less profit for them.

Plain and simple.

They are still a business in the end.


whatever u say, sir.

with the costs of the device however, in the same vein profit margins cant be that significant. Maybe less than 1%.. 0.3-0.4% ?
 

Stanick

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Aug 30, 2014
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Sofia, Bulgaria
People should demand MORE for their money. After all, that's how eonomy is driven... There was absolutely no reason for Apple to stick to 1GB apart from profits...
 
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