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Discussion in 'Mac OS X Lion (10.7)' started by LarryC, May 12, 2011.
I think the title pretty much says it all. This does seem to be the direction that apple is heading.
No way, iOS isn't made for computers. It just wouldn't work.
I hope that you are correct. I don't like how they are trying to put a lot of iOS into the next version of OS X. I get the impression that apple is more interested in the iOS products than the Mac products. When the new iMacs were introduced, what did apple have on their front page? The iPhone is now available in white. The new iMacs were below the fold in a little box on the far left. And it still is:
I dare anybody to look at that page and tell me that apple hasn't relegated the Mac to 8th or 9th place behind anything that runs iOS and phones and iPads. I suppose that is where their larger profits are found these days. It just bothers me.
Go to 3:51 in this video.
Says it all I wish they'd hurry up with this supposed 'transition' he talks about, because even just by saying that, he's confusing consumers. "hey heres an iMac! Oh btw, we wont be using desktops in a couple years"
As ironic as my statement is, I applaud him on his comment about not wishing to have a world of bloggers but more editorials "I'd hate to see this become a nation of bloggers". AMEN
Jobs' comment about paying for hardword is tough in the digital world. Digital media is convenient for the consumer, but it's tough for the producer.
I do not agree with him about desktops being a small niche. This contradicts his comment about being paid for producing. How are these people going to produce content on low-powered devices with small screens? This also contradicts his comment made a few years ago that desktops will never go away.
Me no likey Stevie.
Thats exactly what I think, however when you talk about low power I think that obviously as time goes by devices of these sizes will get more powerful, but if portable devices get more powerful with less space, desktops are ALWAYS going to be more powerful with more space. I have made a link between power and space, and i appreciate it isn't always the case, but normally is.
Basically, it's extremely hard to be productive with low power, small screened devices (even if they're plugged into a bigger screen, you're still going to be with the issue of computing power).
Amen. I reposted part of this in a new thread as professionals such as myself have been weary of Apple's recent direction. While other professionals agree, it seems the consumer crowd gets angry and starts backlashing if we ever make these comments. lol
Desktops aren't going away anytime soon.
In Steve we trust. He's talking years down the road. By then, who knows what the tablet and iOS will be capable of. For me right now, the iPad is still a content consumption device, not creation. I have my iPhone for consumption, and MBP for creation/consumption.
The small screen, iOS, content consumer devices will always be more important than the large screen, OS X, content producer devices because the market is much bigger. Macs are now a minority business for Apple.
But that doesn't mean it isn't profitable or that it is going away. Fact is it is growing, and without any real effort on Apple's part.
iOS-like features in Lion, like LaunchPad, may be annoying for the Mac Faithful, however they don't have to be used! But the important thing is that they will lure into the Mac fold people who have an iPhone or iPad and a Windows PC. They are having a good Apple experience want to carry it over to their computer.
Some state that the professional market is small but this is a misrepresentation. Having worked in an architecture and design firm, we had 23"-30" CCFL LCD ACD's paired with PowerMac G's. Our small firm had about 20. Do the math. Businesses invest in bulk, lots of money. For example, Annie Leibovitz. My friend Rich was a photography producer with Vanity Fair/Vogue. Annie only used powers systems and OS X and ACD's due to their near perfect color accuracy. Now, I've been told she's transitioning away from Apple.
Dismissing any market is bad business. Apple can make bank from businesses just in volume alone. Perhaps this was due to MS's dominance of the business market and that most businesses will only invest in hardware they know will be covered as Apple has a history of keeping their market plans and development under wraps (Apple employees don't even know what their own employer is producing), which makes investors weary.
Apple hasn't added much needed features for professionals in Lion, much due to their focus on adding and perfecting consumer features such as the iOS "Launchpad." Apple has yet to work on OpenGL 3+, Resolution Independence was dropped in 2007 when it was included in a few of the developer beta's (and yes, it is possible, it's been done and Apple has had plenty of time to make it work), Xserve is gone and Apple will no longer support it leaving businesses who invested thousands screwed, and I don't care if mobile devices are the future. We NEED larger displays for work. Heck, my dual 24" setup is sometimes not enough when I'm editing in Final Cut Pro.
So there are two sides to this coin, and I agree on both, however Apple is dropping the professional market too soon. It's not a niche market, companies invest thousands in hardware and such. In fact I convinced a few businesses in NYC when I worked in Communications to go with OS X/Apple. They spent ~$20,000 for ONE small business. Had I known Apple's future plans, I would have recommended Windows NT
However, dismissing the professional market isn't a solution. Apple revamped the mobile market, they have billions, just a small amount and they can lure businesses in with a more secure OS and solid support and hardware.
It would help if they opened up to some third party hardware manufacturers (return of the clones!) to fill in the holes in the product line.
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1) there is no contradiction in saying that desktops won't ever go away but they will become more niche.
2) saying that Apple is foolish for ignoring a market is nothing new, tech writers have been saying it for years about cheaper computers then netbooks. No investors are worried about Apple when they double and quadruple their earnings year after year.
3) Apple has not done a single thing to indicate that they will stop making desktops or that OSX will become less useful for professionals. iOS products are extremely popular right now so of course they are going to feature them on their homepage.
This whole thread is silly.
Because you don't agree with it or aren't effected by it? Don't speak for us who do, or dismiss it because it upsets you personally (for some reason I don't understand).
If there's more you could hate, go on some different forum to troll.
Your trolling has been more than evident in your posts. There's no need to show off how good you can troll.
On another note, make sure you put some context in your OP rather than throwing a one liner which in reality is meaningless.
I couldn't see how any of the features except for Mission Control [not inspired by iOS] is bad or anything. Yet to make it sound as if Apple did a disaster.
Also, I cannot understand why going more iOS like could be bad for Apple or for the users. I still have all the features and more now to use.
But hey, keep on trolling.
@bedifferent: I don't know what Patrick was trying to prove but he did have a point. Apple seems to working hard on OS X. Getting features from iOS and putting them in OS X is not necessarily a bad thing. Hell, the awesomely rich and amazing AVFoundation framework came from iOS.
I think Apple is doing it right except for a few issues which may or may not be resolved.
Well, in my experiences, clones were never even close to the real thing.
I think there would be quite a difference between Mac clones in the 90's and Mac clones today. They could fill the obvious holes in the offering of the rack-mount server and the small chassis (and desktop processor) Mac Pro.
I don’t understand the question being asked here.
iOS is OS X, it’s based on the same kernel.
iOS = OS X + Cocoa Touch + ARM + touchscreen
Mac OS X = OS X + Cocoa + x86 + keyboard/mouse/trackpad
If you’re asking if the iOS interface will be in Mac OS XI, no because it’s already showing up in Lion. It will not be exactly the same but it will take a lot of inspiration from it for Lion.
Will Apple rename Mac OS XI to iOS XI? I doubt it. There’s a clean line between iOS and Mac OS X but iOS and iOS:Mac just doesn’t sound right.
M-O-N-E-Y. No longer a niche company in the shadows. Now a company that has the highest market shares in at least two categories, billions of green in the bank with zero debt, and nowhere to go but deeper into the pile of cash. I LOVE my new(er) iMac, but I know that my iPhone and iPad are more "exciting" to use for the reasons they have been designed for. I could never be without my iMac, but I actually feel the same about my iDevices so....... They are relevant, and they are what makes Apple money. 30 years of computer sales and Apple went nowhere.
Any one want to take this one?
I sorry, clearly I forgot about that 2% of market share over 30 years of effort in the computer segment leading to the edge of company collapse until Jobs introduced the iPod. Egg on my face........ Fanboi arguments will be ignored, I'm right.
I'll take it.
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It seems like the point of this thread is to get people upset over changes that are being made to OS X, but all of the changes are optional. I find the whole mindset reactionary and poorly thought out. Apple is adding an optional launchpad as a way to start apps similarly to iOS, they're not changing the OS to be more limited in any way. iOS is wonderful for touchscreen phones and tablets, but it wouldn't work well to run a computer.