Mac Pro love him, help me.

[Cancaro]

info

someone can tell me whether any of this and a MacPro 2010 there differences?
I mean buy this MacPro 2009, as amended, and the same thing as taking a MacPro 2010?
because it costs a lot less than a MacPro 2010 and I think it's a deal, right?

Thanks.



http://www.ebay.it/itm/APPLE-MAC-PR...mputing_Apple_Desktops_CV&hash=item43d196f46f







: Eek:

 

[mcnallym]

I would say that is a 2009 model which is a 4,1 where someone has done the 5,1 firmware upgrade to make it appear as a 5,1.

As far as OS X is concerned it then becomes a 5,1 2010 model.

The 4,1 can be flashed with the 5,1 firmware thus making it the same as the 5,1 2010/2012 models. Only difference you may find is that the Fans run differently then a genuine 5,1 does but there are plenty of people on here that have 4,1 flashed to 5,1.

With that as a base then you can add in SSD, GPU etc as if is a 2010, 5,1 model.

 

[Cancaro]

tancks.

 

[nigelbb]

We have been having the same discussion on the merits of a Mac Pro 2008 3,1 here https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1811359/

I am using an 8-core 2.8GHz 2008 Mac Pro for editing in Premiere Pro & it easily copes. The upgrades I have done are an SSD plus a PC GTX570 graphics card which gives CUDA acceleration plus 32GB of the much cheaper 667MHz RAM (the difference in performance is minimal).

While the 2009 may be more upgradeable & ultimately faster the 2008 will be cheaper for the same level of performance & can easily cope with HD video editing today. An 8-core 2.8GHz 2008 model is cheaper than a 4-core 2.66GHz 2009 model & I would much rather have 8 cores than 4 cores even if the single stream performance is a little higher.

 

[Cancaro]

thanks I just answered in the triad that I've linked, and I'm happy to tell me that an 8-core MacPro 2008 with some modifications become very powerful to work with Premiere or FCPX DC in Full HD.

it would be better a MacPro 2009 or 2010, but it costs much more!
a nice 2008 8-core MacPro is cheaper, and then enhance it with calm, with 32 gb ram, SSD, better video card and become a monster!




For example this could go very well do you?

http://www.ebay.it/itm/APPLE-MAC-PR...mputing_Apple_Desktops_CV&hash=item462ac0a173

 

[Macsonic]

someone can tell me whether any of this and a MacPro 2010 there differences?
I mean buy this MacPro 2009, as amended, and the same thing as taking a MacPro 2010?
because it costs a lot less than a MacPro 2010 and I think it's a deal, right?

Thanks.

http://www.ebay.it/itm/APPLE-MAC-PR...mputing_Apple_Desktops_CV&hash=item43d196f46f

: Eek:

The 2009 4,1 Mac Pro and the Mid 2010 5,1 Mac Pro are just about the same in terms of speed, stability performances as I've used both models. Hope you get to find your desired Mac Pro.

 

[Cancaro]

tancks.

my problem is that I would like to prenddere a MacPro 2008 because is cheap, and then potnziarlo over time by replacing all that is needed to increase the power to the maximum.

Now just get a MacPro 2009 or 2010 cost me more and I can not afford it for now.

 

[nigelbb]

thanks I just answered in the triad that I've linked, and I'm happy to tell me that an 8-core MacPro 2008 with some modifications become very powerful to work with Premiere or FCPX DC in Full HD.

it would be better a MacPro 2009 or 2010, but it costs much more!
a nice 2008 8-core MacPro is cheaper, and then enhance it with calm, with 32 gb ram, SSD, better video card and become a monster!




For example this could go very well do you?

http://www.ebay.it/itm/APPLE-MAC-PR...mputing_Apple_Desktops_CV&hash=item462ac0a173

That is an excellent deal with free EU shipping & 1 year RTB warranty. Of course they are in the UK so RTB warranty isn't so easy if you need to send it back from Italy but still better than buying from an individual seller with no warranty. You will want to add a good CUDA graphics card for Premiere Pro. I bought a used PC GTX570 & it gives a great boost to performance in Premiere Pro.

 

[Cancaro]

tancks.




This card below?

http://www.ebay.it/itm/Nvidia-GTX-5...721?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item4d258e2e31

and to put a 250GB SSD which I sceglire ???
you have a link?

thanks

 

[Cancaro]

Curiosity, the technical specifications below I see the words "256MB ATI 2600 XT" and to make upgrades to 512 MB you pay £ 50 and I think it right.

but I wonder what difference it passes have 256 MB instead of 512 MB​​?
and very important difference between the two is good or both?

Thanks.




SPECIFICATION:
Apple Mac Pro 3,1 2008 Model
Loaded with OSX 10.8 Mountain Lion (Suitable for 10.9)
2 x Quad Core 2.8GHz Intel Xeon Processors
4GB DDR2 ECC 800MHz Ram
1 x 640GB 7200RPM Hard Drive
256MB ATI 2600XT (2 x DVI) - (upgrade to 512MB 8800GT for £50)
Superdrive/ DVDRW
Bluetooth & Wifi Fitted.

 

[nigelbb]

The 512MB 8800GT is not good enough for Premier Pro. You just need a PC GTX570 not the one that you linked to that has been modified to have a boot screen for the Mac Pro & costs extra because of that. If you already have a 2600XT then you can use that if you ever need to see the Apple boot screen.

If you put in an SSD especially one on a PCI card like Apricom Velocity then the Mac Pro boots so fast you hardly notice there is no boot screen with the PC card.

I am using a GTX570 as it is cheap used & is I believe the fastest CUDA card anyway but other PC cards will work in the Mac Pro without modification you just don't have a boot screen. There are several threads on this board that discuss using PC cards in the Mac Pro.

 

[Cancaro]

so better take the MacPro with the 256 MB ATI 2600XT (2 x DVI)

which is already installed and then when I have money to replace it with a used gtx 570 right?

 

[Gav Mack]

Instead of the 570 I would get a GTX680 2Gb card like this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gainward-...raphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item3ceaadffc2

And flash it with the 2Gb Mac EFI BIOS (which is on this forum) on bootcamp for a boot screen so it is identical to an EVGA 680 Mac Edition card.

1 extra power cable required the 680 needs 2

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-Mac...n_Power_Cables_Connectors&hash=item339473834a

 

[Cancaro]

Instead of the 570 I would get a GTX680 2Gb card like this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gainward-...raphics_Video_TV_Cards_TW&hash=item3ceaadffc2

And flash it with the 2Gb Mac EFI BIOS (which is on this forum) on bootcamp for a boot screen so it is identical to an EVGA 680 Mac Edition card.

1 extra power cable required the 680 needs 2

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-Mac...n_Power_Cables_Connectors&hash=item339473834a

Tancks : Mela:

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http://www.ebay.it/itm/121468119707?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&fromMakeTrack=true

This MacPro 2008-8 core over so for the moment until the potenzierò I'll use it as honesty, and certainly is much more powerful than my Imac 24 "2009 with 2.93 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 8 GB of RAM 1067 MHz DDR3 right?

At least in the meantime I can work better than now and then upgrade the MacPro at most.

tancks.

 

[Gav Mack]

Tancks : Mela:

Prego. Will not be as good as an equivalent AMD with FCPX which uses openCL (which cost a lot more with boot screens too) but with Adobe the 680 is a excellent card, flashing PC card best value for money. With gaming in bootcamp it plays every game maxed out at 1920x1200 which my son likes! Only one card required take the 2600 out and put 680 in slot 1.

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Tancks : Mela:

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http://www.ebay.it/itm/121468119707?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&fromMakeTrack=true

This MacPro 2008-8 core over so for the moment until the potenzierò I'll use it as honesty, and certainly is much more powerful than my Imac 24 "2009 with 2.93 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 8 GB of RAM 1067 MHz DDR3 right?

At least in the meantime I can work better than now and then upgrade the MacPro at most.

tancks.

You can then start on other upgrades like USB 3.0, PCIe SSD, power extensions then eventually move all your upgrades into a 5,1.

An 8 core will batter that iMac with a C2D, even more especially with an SSD even in a sled running SATA2.

iMac's doing heavy video work do not last as long as a Mac Pro which are designed to work very hard.

 

[Cancaro]

tancks.


thus confirming that an 8-core MacPro 2008 and much much more powerful than an iMac like mine below.


Imac 24 "2009 con 2.93 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo da 8 GB di RAM DDR3 a 1067 MHz

 

[Gav Mack]

tancks.


thus confirming that an 8-core MacPro 2008 and much much more powerful than an iMac like mine below.


Imac 24 "2009 con 2.93 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo da 8 GB di RAM DDR3 a 1067 MHz

Yes, but I would equal the ram to at least 8gb and buy an Samsung SSD plus NWT 3.5 -2.5 bracket to go in sled 1 for boot. Data can go on normal 3.5 inch drives like WD Blacks in sleds 2-4.

May want to contact the seller and ask how much extra for 8 or 16Gb ram instead before buying it.

 

[nigelbb]

For the same price that seller has a similar system but with 16GB 667MHz RAM which is much better than a system with only 4GB 800MHz RAM. For video editing 4GB is not enough memory & there is no difference in performance in real life use between 667MHz RAM & 800MHz RAM. Memory speed will never be the bottleneck in these systems as you will max out disks & CPUs before memory speed could ever be an issue
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/APPLE-MAC...mputing_Apple_Desktops_CV&hash=item462ac0a173

BTW As I am typing this I am on the same system rendering out a DVD from Adobe Encore & it is maxing out 8 x 2.8GHz cores & using 28GB RAM. 16GB is good but if you can have 32GB it's better.

 

[Cancaro]

Yes, but I would equal the ram to at least 8gb and buy an Samsung SSD plus NWT 3.5 -2.5 bracket to go in sled 1 for boot. Data can go on normal 3.5 inch drives like WD Blacks in sleds 2-4.

May want to contact the seller and ask how much extra for 8 or 16Gb ram instead before buying it.

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certainly intend to take the RAM to 32 GB as soon as possible, this was already expected.
Thanks.

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For the same price that seller has a similar system but with 16GB 667MHz RAM which is much better than a system with only 4GB 800MHz RAM. For video editing 4GB is not enough memory & there is no difference in performance in real life use between 667MHz RAM & 800MHz RAM. Memory speed will never be the bottleneck in these systems as you will max out disks & CPUs before memory speed could ever be an issue
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/APPLE-MAC...mputing_Apple_Desktops_CV&hash=item462ac0a173

BTW As I am typing this I am on the same system rendering out a DVD from Adobe Encore & it is maxing out 8 x 2.8GHz cores & using 28GB RAM. 16GB is good but if you can have 32GB it's better.

thanks man, I saw the offer you're talking about, the same price but 16 GB, but I thought that being at 667 Mgz was weaker than 800 Mgz, but I was wrong it seems, in this case I prefer to listen to your advice.
and then slowly raise him up to 32 GB of RAM.
Thanks again.

 

[nigelbb]

Here are benchmarks comparing 800MHz FB-DIMMs vs 667MHz FB-DIMMs in a Mac Pro 3,1. They found a maximum of 4% difference in the benchmarks which are purely test of memory speed. The real life application benchmarks with After Effects & Photoshop showed no difference in performance at all. http://www.barefeats.com/harper5.html

That website also has another set of tests that show you get better memory performance when you have all eight slots filled with memory http://www.barefeats.com/harper3.html

 

[Cancaro]

info

Thanks.

in short, in the end we can say that a 2008 MacPro 8-core 2.8 GHz with 32 GB RAM and 250 GB SSD GTX750 video card, all in all it is still a powerful computer to edit in full HD and will work well for many years.

Am I right?

 

[Gav Mack]

Thanks.

in short, in the end we can say that a 2008 MacPro 8-core 2.8 GHz with 32 GB RAM and 250 GB SSD GTX750 video card, all in all it is still a powerful computer to edit in full HD and will work well for many years.

Am I right?

Till Yosemite is end of life or you find a 4-5,1 cheap to put your upgrade parts inside; though going for a GTX 680 which you flash yourself may be cheaper as we are all crossing our fingers that EVGA will bring out a 980 Mac edition card and make us all upgrade

 

[Cancaro]

I realized, then the next OSX after Yosemite will not be able to install on a 2008 MacPro am I right ??

but for example if I want to stay with Yosemite and work with that without thinking of updating, in which case I would be in the right place?

Last question, if a I7 4770 K we give 10 points to a 2008 8-core MacPro as what I want to strengthen it before how many points we can give him?

just to get an idea of ​​the power that can have a MacPro 2008.

Thanks.

 

[Gav Mack]

Yosemite I'm pretty sure will be the last supported OS X. Though no doubt this forum will have support hacked for 10.11 next year just like the 1-2,1 can run 10.10 with threads you can see here on the forum!

A 4470k will be much faster single core than a 3,1 but in a hackintosh unless you use a quo mobo they are an absolute pain to manage compared to a real Macintosh - far more than a 3,1.

 

[Cancaro]

Yosemite I'm pretty sure will be the last supported OS X. Though no doubt this forum will have support hacked for 10.11 next year just like the 1-2,1 can run 10.10 with threads you can see here on the forum!

A 4470k will be much faster single core than a 3,1 but in a hackintosh unless you use a quo mobo they are an absolute pain to manage compared to a real Macintosh - far more than a 3,1.

tancks.