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. Even if there is only 4 DIMMs per CPU, like now, E5-2600s would allow 128GB per CPU today and and 256GB per CPU when 64GB LRDIMMs come out.
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. Even if there is only 4 DIMMs per CPU, like now, E5-2600s would allow 128GB per CPU today and and 256GB per CPU when 64GB LRDIMMs come out.Think bigger
hmmmm Geek porn !
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The new iPro?
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Good God hell yeah! .. you can say whatever you want about HP. Yeah it's an absolutely ugly looking workstation design, but at least they care about real computers, and yeah .. geek porn too
And it's starts from $2300 ??!! As usual, spec-wise .. an outdated basic configuration MacPro (still for sale at the same $2500 for the last 550 days now) won't be able to hold a candle in front of this beast. MacPro is a great looking workstation for sure though, on the outside
So come on, Apple ... get this iPad launch ready and done already, and than we talk MacPro.
The dell blade system I'm speccing this week as a possibility for a client has 1 TB of ram. Of course it weighs ~400lbs and fitting it under your desk would be possible I suppose, but unrealistic (and loud!)
I might be new to posting on these forums, but I am not some young starry-eyed Apple fanboy. You don't need to provide a mini-lecture on how to interpret what Apple has said over the past years about making great products.
I think it is clear that Apple has attempted to make great products even when turning a profit was not an obvious outcome. Of course they will try to make something people will want to buy, but it seems to me they work hard to innovate and make great products first.
And when has Apple EVER provided any details in advance of an unreleased product? It has happened... but hardly ever.
Absolutely... I don't know why certain people on these forums think their specific ways of doing things apply to everyone else. That's just naive and immature. Bring on a new Mac Pro... I actually need it for what I do (regardless of what certain people try to tell me! lol)
Upgrade memory or Mac will be forgotten
If Apple does not come up with a new MacPro, say by late September, I will consider switching to HP or Dell. I want a serious machine with serious memory, not a grounded laptop like iMac. Even if I have used mostly Mac over the last 20 years, I am not into gadgets - I use Mac because they work. And switching to another brand because it works better would not be that difficult.
If Apple does not come up with a new MacPro, say by late September, I will consider switching to HP or Dell. I want a serious machine with serious memory, not a grounded laptop like iMac. Even if I have used mostly Mac over the last 20 years, I am not into gadgets - I use Mac because they work. And switching to another brand because it works better would not be that difficult.
Yes, the iMac is powerful enough for the average user of Photoshop, etc., but just like Apple promotes switching to the Mac from Windows, unfortunately it's just as easy to switch to Windows. They haven't upgraded this mac line for over 1-1/2 years and in computer terms, that's not neglect, that's abandonment! With their cash reserves, it's hard to believe they don't have the resources to do minor updates to this line to keep it fresh.
The problem with minor updates is it is a very niche product and the advancements they could do aren't that much of a selling point and it makes old stock redundant (because Apple box up workstations and 3rd party sellers hold stock). It's also not really the done thing with workstations, other companies selling workstations were missing a number of things they could have had too over the past 2 years.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the 2.8x4, 3.2x4, 3.33x6 and 2.93x12 options updated to 3.2x4, 3.33x6, 3.46x6 and 3.06x12 as those are the same cost now and 6000 series Radeon cards having replaced the 5000 series as even without Apple investing in driver development for such cards people have them working. Other options like 16GB DIMMs which are under $300 each now. Just can see why they have no incentive.
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"Early models of the chips have seen real-world use already. More than 100,000 have shipped, said Lisa Graff, general manager of data center platform engineering, in a press conference here.
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57391758-264/intel-launches-e5-xeons-a-faster-mainstay-of-the-server-market/#ixzz1oRo9O53y"
I hope Apple is on the already shipped list.
Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-57391758-264/intel-launches-e5-xeons-a-faster-mainstay-of-the-server-market/#ixzz1oRo9O53y"
I hope Apple is on the already shipped list.
Oh burn....
And I said NOTHING about your musical (in)ability. I know nothing about you other than this thread got your panties wound so tight you felt you had to PM me to call me bad names and tell me to "**** off". You could be the next Beethoven, or Wyld Stallions. Based on your attitude it wouldn't matter either way.
after today's Itoy event, Mac Pro users should be worried
Did you count how many times MBA Tim said "post-PC"?
Not a good omen....
Did you count how many times MBA Tim said "post-PC"?
Not a good omen....
Still need the PC era to create the content for now and its 20%+ of their business. Guess only time will tell. I don't expect much revolution within their current lines though
Still need the PC era to create the content for now and its 20%+ of their business. Guess only time will tell. I don't expect much revolution within their current lines though
If my business depended on Mac Pros, I would be
- Hoping that Apple does release one more update to the line
- Planning to buy the minimum number of new Mac Pros that I need
- Looking at cross-platform tools so that I can start new projects on a cross-platform tool and make all new hardware purchases on any platform that supports the cross-platform software
The only foolish thing would be to stay in Apple's "walled garden" of software tied to a single hardware vendor which has a history of secrecy and lack of sharing roadmaps with customers.
I was very concerned about all the "post pc" talk today.
As cute as the ipad is (and I'm going to be ordering my first ipad tonight...), when I want to do video editing or serious photoshop work, I need every core I've got and more ram than I have. When I'm running After-effects, even my mac pro is too slow - I need MORE POWER and the imac does NOT cut it.
I waited for an updated non-glossy 30" apple monitor for several years and then gave up and bought the NECs i've got on my desktop. I'm about to that point with the mac pro - if we don't see updates pretty soon, certainly by next year, I'll be either going hackintosh or (shudder) back to PC land with the new windows. I just can't sit and be bypassed by hardware forever.
As cute as the ipad is (and I'm going to be ordering my first ipad tonight...), when I want to do video editing or serious photoshop work, I need every core I've got and more ram than I have. When I'm running After-effects, even my mac pro is too slow - I need MORE POWER and the imac does NOT cut it.
I waited for an updated non-glossy 30" apple monitor for several years and then gave up and bought the NECs i've got on my desktop. I'm about to that point with the mac pro - if we don't see updates pretty soon, certainly by next year, I'll be either going hackintosh or (shudder) back to PC land with the new windows. I just can't sit and be bypassed by hardware forever.
I imagine Apple will still be producing high-end content generators, the fastest, most powerful machines on the planet, or whatever... Why not? These things are easy to update when the chips are ready. We are getting a lot of drama because Intel didn't update processors for a long time.
When the iPad launch cools down, I fully expect Apple will produce. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple rolls the whole Mac Pro into some entirely new concept that nobody thought of.
When the iPad launch cools down, I fully expect Apple will produce. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple rolls the whole Mac Pro into some entirely new concept that nobody thought of.
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Of course, there will need to be a new version of OS X since it can't really handle this much memory well right now. OS X caps out at 96GB. They've go work to do just to get to 128GB. Windows , Linux don't have this problem which is why see the 0.5TB limit on the new top-end HP's.
That would be a nice Mountain Lion feature to highlight if they've already fixed it during the WWDC dog-and-pony show.
I'm not sure why. The largest fraction of those mentions was during the "Buy Apple stock" portion of the talk. All it is primarily is aimed at is spinning folks into buy more Apple stock so the price goes up. That's primarily it. Any millions/billions/ now and more millions/billions later that indicate high growth ..... leads to stock buys. Price goes up and everybody on that stage gets more rich.
The whole "Post PC" is spin with two parts.
One, promote the creation of a new category so that the iPad can be the only thing in the in the category. Since it is the dominate and sole player they all the growth is double/triple digit ( as opposed to normalized over all PC shipments). And Apple is dominate. People buy stock in companies who dominate their categories and exhibit good-to-high growth.
Second, over time it is taking back the world "PC" to mean "Personal Computer". At some point folks let Microsoft (and to an extent Intel) subsume PC to just be short for Microsoft Windows Personal Computer. It is certainly shorter. But it bastardizes what the Personal computer concept started off as ( a computer that everyone could own/use personally.).
So again Apple is sending a message that the "Wintel" era is over for PC's. There is a new era with more players on a more level playing field. Apple is one of the dominate players in this new era (buy our stock) .
Once the talk leaves the "millions and billions... buy our stock" phase that is really only when they start talking about the products. The appleTV is better (what it should have been with 1080p). The iPad is a better personal computer (what it can be).
This all has jack squat to do with the Mac Pro situation.
The Mac Pro has problems because it is a low growth product. That's it.
Either the new Mac Pro takes off like a rocket with the greatly improved E5 foundation or Apple will kill off the product line.
I also don't think anyone who isn't smoking dope or drinking the kool-aid inside Apple is thinking that this high growth phase for iPad can continue forever. When growth levels off having a stable and still growing Mac division will help the bottom line. (there is no reason to piss away a business that is a Fortune 500 business if split off by itself.)
The iOS devices are a non issue. The core problem for the Mac Pro is that it isn't keeping up with the other Mac products. All the wailing about attention to iOS is immaterial.
The struggle for Apple is how many Mac Pro customers are in this boat. And how many are in the other set of threads around here ( "My Mac Pro 1,1 is fine ... if I don't get a Mountain Lion release for my vintage mac I'm not buying anything." or "I just have to have a 'box with slots'; I don't really need the power give me an xMac." )
Too few of the performance bound ( or too many of the second group) and the Mac Pro growth continue to stay in the crapper.
Even with the first if all people need is purely a computational box with highest ( teraflops/$) ratio the Mac Pro will slide.
Letting a market segment go - even if it is not the most profitable segment - poses risks for Apple. From a marketing perspective, no computer user should ever have a reason to leave Apple's operating system for Windows. If Apple wants its operating system to be the gold standard, it cannot be letting go of a customer base it already holds unless it is hemorrhaging cash. If Apple really wanted to "kill off" the pro market it already holds, it would make much more financial sense to spin it off into a separate business. If HP finds it profitable to develop high-end prosumer machines, then certainly some other investor would buy the rights to produce high-end machines which can legally run Apple's operating system, although Apple is unlikely to give up that control.
So Apple is unlikely to abandon high-end machines, as giving up that market segment means turning a slice of its customers back to Windows. Obviously not a good business move, particularly if the goal is to steer people into Apple's operating system as you say above. Apple may eventually kill off the product line, but chances are it will be because something better is in the pipeline, not because they want to give up their pro user market share.