MacBook Pro/Air refresh schedule - Haswell release timeline

[Exana]

I got some info that suit Mr MM ones. On june 4th :

Quad /w HT
Core i7 4930MX 3.0 GHz HD 4600 57 W
Core i7 4900MQ 2.8 GHz HD 4600 47 W
Core i7 4800MQ 2.7 GHz HD 4600 47 W
Core i7 4950HQ 2.4 GHz Iris Pro 5200 47 W
Core i7 4850HQ 2.3 GHz Iris Pro 5200 47 W

Dual /w HT
Core i7 4650U 1.7 GHz HD 5000 15 W
Core i5 4350 U 1.4 GHz HD 5000 15 W

Intel tells about 13 SKUs for mobile

 

[lesliewj]

This year will be just Air Dual core + Hd4600 and
13 Retina Quad Core( i strongly hope it) + Hd4600,
but i decided to skip the 2013 generation because i see the 2014 more important,
-first i have more time to save money,my wallat had a major happy bleeding with my new late Imac27,
-secondly in the 2014 Broadwell will bring 14nm and a 40% more powerful Intel Hd compared to the next to come hd4600 ( which is between 40-60% the Hd4000 ),
-third the thunderbolt chipset,with Broadwell will land also the Falcon Ridge which is 20 Gb/s ,instead this year will arrive the Redwood Ridge which is still 10 Gb/s,
-fourth,the 14 nm will make possible to have Quad cores even in the Air..so..
in the worst case (in 2014)a 13 inch retina QuadCore MacBook Pro will be more than a dream..even of i hope to see it already this Summer-Fall and in the best case all Macs will complete the transition to Quadcores.
I love the idea to have a Macbook Air Quad core in the 2014.
Don't you?
Meanwhile i will buy a Retina Ipad mini to bridge me till 2014.

I STRONGLY HOPE that in the summer, macbook air 13 with a retina and HD4600 will appear.

 

[skaertus]

This year will be just Air Dual core + Hd4600 and
13 Retina Quad Core( i strongly hope it) + Hd4600,
but i decided to skip the 2013 generation because i see the 2014 more important,
-first i have more time to save money,my wallat had a major happy bleeding with my new late Imac27,
-secondly in the 2014 Broadwell will bring 14nm and a 40% more powerful Intel Hd compared to the next to come hd4600 ( which is between 40-60% the Hd4000 ),
-third the thunderbolt chipset,with Broadwell will land also the Falcon Ridge which is 20 Gb/s ,instead this year will arrive the Redwood Ridge which is still 10 Gb/s,
-fourth,the 14 nm will make possible to have Quad cores even in the Air..so..
in the worst case (in 2014)a 13 inch retina QuadCore MacBook Pro will be more than a dream..even of i hope to see it already this Summer-Fall and in the best case all Macs will complete the transition to Quadcores.
I love the idea to have a Macbook Air Quad core in the 2014.
Don't you?
Meanwhile i will buy a Retina Ipad mini to bridge me till 2014.

I STRONGLY HOPE that in the summer, macbook air 13 with a retina and HD4600 will appear.

Why do people keep thinking, year after year, that Apple will put a quad-core processor in its 13-inch laptops? Apple is not moving towards more powerful processors, it is moving towards thinner designs (which means processors that consume less power).

 

[skaertus]

I got some info that suit Mr MM ones. On june 4th :

Quad /w HT
Core i7 4930MX 3.0 GHz HD 4600 57 W
Core i7 4900MQ 2.8 GHz HD 4600 47 W
Core i7 4800MQ 2.7 GHz HD 4600 47 W
Core i7 4950HQ 2.4 GHz Iris Pro 5200 47 W
Core i7 4850HQ 2.3 GHz Iris Pro 5200 47 W

Dual /w HT
Core i7 4650U 1.7 GHz HD 5000 15 W
Core i5 4350 U 1.4 GHz HD 5000 15 W

Intel tells about 13 SKUs for mobile

So, no standard voltage dual core to power the forthcoming 13" rMBP, huh? I guess those are not being released in June then...

 

[thunng8]

I got some info that suit Mr MM ones. On june 4th :

Dual /w HT
Core i7 4650U 1.7 GHz HD 5000 15 W
Core i5 4350 U 1.4 GHz HD 5000 15 W

Intel tells about 13 SKUs for mobile

Wow, that is quite a big decrease in CPU frequency compared to Ivy Bridge.

 

[Serban]

Wow, that is quite a big decrease in CPU frequency compared to Ivy Bridge.

how much? or what are you saying ?

 

[Stetrain]

I got some info that suit Mr MM ones. On june 4th :

Quad /w HT
Core i7 4930MX 3.0 GHz HD 4600 57 W
Core i7 4900MQ 2.8 GHz HD 4600 47 W
Core i7 4800MQ 2.7 GHz HD 4600 47 W

15" rMBP

Core i7 4950HQ 2.4 GHz Iris Pro 5200 47 W
Core i7 4850HQ 2.3 GHz Iris Pro 5200 47 W

13" rMBP? (Fingers crossed!)

Dual /w HT
Core i7 4650U 1.7 GHz HD 5000 15 W
Core i5 4350 U 1.4 GHz HD 5000 15 W

MBA

 

[Stetrain]

Something else that may point towards the possibility of a quad core Iris Pro 13" rMBP is that it seems like Apple didn't really use all of the available battery space in the 2012/2013 13" rMBP design:

They could probably move some things around and add enough battery capacity to offset the average power usage increase of the quad core.

 

[thunng8]

how much? or what are you saying ?

The ULV ivy bridge i7 is 2ghz and the i5 is 1.7 or 1.8 ghz. So about a 300-400mhz decrease for the sake of faster graphics

 

[Stetrain]

The ULV ivy bridge i7 is 2ghz and the i5 is 1.7 or 1.8 ghz. So about a 300-400mhz decrease for the sake of faster graphics

They're also 15w TDP instead of 17w, so we may see battery life increases.

 

[thunng8]

13" rMBP? (Fingers crossed!)

Not a chance. That is a 12w increase from the current chip. If 47w was tolerable for the 13 retina, then the current model would have been able to take the 2.8ghz quad core ivy bridge chip which is 45w. Obviously that didn't happen.

 

[Stetrain]

Not a chance. That is a 12w increase from the current chip. If 47w was tolerable for the 13 retina, then the current model would have been able to take the 2.8ghz quad core ivy bridge chip which is 45w. Obviously that didn't happen.

The cooling system in the 13" rMBP seems like overkill for the CPUs it currently has:

Even more so than in the 15-inch rMBP, Apple's fans in the 13-inch rMBP rarely spin above 2200 RPM. During both the Cinebench and Half Life 2 tests, fan speed remained around 2100 RPM. At these speeds, fan noise is effectively non-existent.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6409/13inch-retina-macbook-pro-review/12

Also we haven't seen any 35W part information yet for Haswell to directly replace the CPUs in the 13" rMBP. It's possible that those will come later this fall, and that Apple will wait until October again to update the 13".

 

[thunng8]

Also we haven't seen any 35W part information yet for Haswell to directly replace the CPUs in the 13" rMBP. It's possible that those will come later this fall, and that Apple will wait until October again to update the 13".

That is the most likely situation. Going by the new quad core parts, this is what we might see for The 37w i7 chips.

37w dual core i7 3.0ghz with hd4600
37w dual core i7 2.6ghz with iris pro graphics

 

[Stetrain]

That is the most likely situation. Going by the new quad core parts, this is what we might see for The 37w i7 chips.

37w dual core i7 3.0ghz with hd4600
37w dual core i7 2.6ghz with iris pro graphics

Iris Pro will be exclusive to quad-core parts

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6926/intel-iris-iris-pro-graphics-haswell-gt3gt3e-gets-a-brand

I think that this is the biggest reason people are wondering if the 13" rMBP might get a quad core this year. Iris Pro seems like it would best benefit Apple in the 13" rMBP. No way it will make it into an Air, and the 15" already has plenty of GPU power.

 

[thunng8]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6926/intel-iris-iris-pro-graphics-haswell-gt3gt3e-gets-a-brand

I think that this is the biggest reason people are wondering if the 13" rMBP might get a quad core this year. Iris Pro seems like it would best benefit Apple in the 13" rMBP. No way it will make it into an Air, and the 15" already has plenty of GPU power.

It might make it in the 13 if Apple is willing to have that model being hotter and louder than the current model and also having lower battery life.

Also - is it official that iris pro is only going into quad core parts and never going to make it into dual core parts or is it just the initial chips that only have iris pro in quad core parts?

 

[Stetrain]

It might make it in the 13 if Apple is willing to have that model being hotter and louder than the current model and also having lower battery life.

It may be a bit hotter and louder than the current model, but it would probably still be on par with the 15" rMBP. The 13" rMBP's cooling system looks a whole lot more like the 15" rMBP than the old 13" MBP.

The heat pipe and dual fan system manages to keep a quad core plus discrete GPU decently cool in the 15". Of course the smaller chassis will have less thermal capacity, but it also won't have the discrete GPU to deal with.

As far as battery life, the photo I posted above shows that there's empty space under the trackpad in the 13" rMBP, unlike the 15". Adding another battery cell would increase weight but might offset the difference in power usage.

Also - is it official that iris pro is only going into quad core parts and never going to make it into dual core parts or is it just the initial chips that only have iris pro in quad core parts?

I don't think that Intel has publicly stated as much, but they have made zero references to dual core parts with Iris Pro in any of their Iris Pro press information. There aren't even any speculative part numbers for dual core parts with the Iris Pro graphics.

 

[88888888]

Do you think they'll upgrade the graphics card along with haswell upgrade? What's successor to 650M GT?

 

[B...]

Do you think they'll upgrade the graphics card along with haswell upgrade? What's successor to 650M GT?

The 750M, a kind of rebrand and overclock by nVidia. Around 10-15 percent faster than the 650M.

 

[Mago]

I bet for the 47W Haswell as aimed for rMBP15 as for rMBP13, but rMBP15 still having a discrete graphics. rMBP15 having also nVidia 750M (but no surprise if some ATI card is loaded instead).

the 35W haswell must be targeted for rMBA 11 & *13* (maybe no more 13" MBA).

 

[Mr MM]

The 750M, a kind of rebrand and overclock by nVidia. Around 10-15 percent faster than the 650M.

or the 8870m, both are rebrands

Something else that may point towards the possibility of a quad core Iris Pro 13" rMBP is that it seems like Apple didn't really use all of the available battery space in the 2012/2013 13" rMBP design:

They could probably move some things around and add enough battery capacity to offset the average power usage increase of the quad core.

there is no need the quad offset very little the battery life since SB

I would point out this

that dishes out a lot of heat, they might no need to redesign the cooling at all

One problem is the thinking of why apple would do that:

1) because of iris pro
2) and there is the thinking of no point in adding more cpu power to the rmbp 13, however for me there is a real need to differentiate the mba and the rmbp, the power is too equal

 

[skaertus]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6926/intel-iris-iris-pro-graphics-haswell-gt3gt3e-gets-a-brand

I think that this is the biggest reason people are wondering if the 13" rMBP might get a quad core this year. Iris Pro seems like it would best benefit Apple in the 13" rMBP. No way it will make it into an Air, and the 15" already has plenty of GPU power.

I don't think the 13" rMBP will get the quad-core. The current 13" rMBP runs with a HD4000, and the 5100 will be powerful enough for the purposes it serves.

I guess it will be as follows:

15" MacBook Pro: quad-core Haswell with dedicated graphics card (and perhaps something better than NVIDIA GT 750M, depending on how Iris Pro will perform);
13" MacBook Pro: 28W dual core with Iris 5100; and
MacBook Air: 15W dual core with Intel HD 5000.

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I bet for the 47W Haswell as aimed for rMBP15 as for rMBP13, but rMBP15 still having a discrete graphics. rMBP15 having also nVidia 750M (but no surprise if some ATI card is loaded instead).

the 35W haswell must be targeted for rMBA 11 & *13* (maybe no more 13" MBA).

Why? Is there any evidence to support this or is it just what you hope?

Apple won't put processors with those high TDPs on these laptops. MBA (or rMBA, if it gets released) will get a 15W processor. The MBP/rMBP will get the 28W processor, or an equivalent to the 35W.

 

[Mago]

I don't think the 13" rMBP will get the quad-core. The current 13" rMBP runs with a HD4000, and the 5100 will be powerful enough for the purposes it serves.

I guess it will be as follows:

15" MacBook Pro: quad-core Haswell with dedicated graphics card (and perhaps something better than NVIDIA GT 750M, depending on how Iris Pro will perform);
13" MacBook Pro: 28W dual core with Iris 5100; and
MacBook Air: 15W dual core with Intel HD 5000.

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Why? Is there any evidence to support this or is it just what you hope?

Apple won't put processors with those high TDPs on these laptops. MBA (or rMBA, if it gets released) will get a 15W processor. The MBP/rMBP will get the 28W processor, or an equivalent to the 35W.

Current 15" rMBP uses 45W TDP i7, the 13"rMBP uses 35W i5 but Apple Knows it needs a better iGPU to compensate lack of discrete graphics, so Apple to load an iris pro gpu, need to put an 47W i7 (not big deal thermodinamically speaking, since the current 13"rMBP has cooling power enough to handle more than 35W, as everybody know it handles better the current cpu heat, so not big deal to put a bigger one, considering the gains, that was o case on previous i5 w/IGPU but on haswell willbe a game changer, maybe not as base option, but as option will be a no sense for many users.

 

[skaertus]

Current 15" rMBP uses 45W TDP i7, the 13"rMBP uses 35W i5 but Apple Knows it needs a better iGPU to compensate lack of discrete graphics, so Apple to load an iris pro gpu, need to put an 47W i7 (not big deal thermodinamically speaking, since the current 13"rMBP has cooling power enough to handle more than 35W, as everybody know it handles better the current cpu heat, so not big deal to put a bigger one, considering the gains, that was o case on previous i5 w/IGPU but on haswell willbe a game changer, maybe not as base option, but as option will be a no sense for many users.

I doubt it. The 47W processors will be more expensive than the 28W or 35W ones. To keep the current pricing strategy, Apple will not improve the processors. In addition, the Iris 5100 will already deliver a much improved performance over the HD4000 (which has enough power to drive the high resolutions of the 13" rMBP). Don't expect Apple to do something different than it has done in the past years by putting a 47W processor in a 13" laptop. That is very, very unlikely to happen.

 

[kristoffer4]

I just hope Haswell runs cooler in day to day normal use. My average temperature on my 13" MBP 2011 is around 60' celcius.

 

[Mago]

I doubt it. The 47W processors will be more expensive than the 28W or 35W ones. To keep the current pricing strategy, Apple will not improve the processors. In addition, the Iris 5100 will already deliver a much improved performance over the HD4000 (which has enough power to drive the high resolutions of the 13" rMBP). Don't expect Apple to do something different than it has done in the past years by putting a 47W processor in a 13" laptop. That is very, very unlikely to happen.

No Iris 5100 w/o QuadCore Haswell, its the point, at least the ones I've seen, but if that mistrery 35W (seems an i5) comes with Iris 5100, sure will be for rMBP13 has sense, but that 35W *i5-Iris5100* cpu will be available for Q4, so the only Available Haswell rMBP will be the ones with 47W cpu.

But I Think, that the 13"rMBP will come with 47W QuadCore Haswell, that 35W Haswell maybe targeted at the 13"rMBA as the lower 18W Haswell (both available at Q4) willbe targeted at the 11"rMBA.

Before rMBP the 13"MBP as "pro" means High End CPU, and the 13MBA/MB was the "for every else" lower spct CPU. This Strategy had sense, so If Apple dont want to ditch the 13"MBA, will replace it for an 13"rMBA wich will be escencially an rMBP13 with lower end CPU.

Another thing that I just Noted, is that the "Air/Retina" Branding will dissapear, and we will have STD MacBook (previously MBA) and MacBook Pro (previously rMBP).

as many spect its posible to arrive an iMac Pro or as an mini Mac Pro, and that Ugly Behemoth all we want to resurect the Mac Pro.

We Are Preparing Something Special for our Pro Users later the Next Year

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