thats exactly what they would do.. all the future chip designs will take on this shape I'm sure... this device will be around for at least another 5 years i would guess.. so the next few generations of CPU / GPU I'm sure apple will offer. which makes it even nicer that you can probably upgrade this thing endlessly for the most part, or until apple changes its design. That is if the PCI bus remains the same that connects all the cars... but i still think with this form factor you could probably just upgrade anything
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thats exactly what they would do.. all the future chip designs will take on this shape I'm sure... this device will be around for at least another 5 years i would guess.. so the next few generations of CPU / GPU I'm sure apple will offer. which makes it even nicer that you can probably upgrade this thing endlessly for the most part, or until apple changes its design. That is if the PCI bus remains the same that connects all the cars... but i still think with this form factor you could probably just upgrade anything
RAM has always been user replaceable. SSD and GPU are factory upgradeable (at least upon purchase) so choose wisely.
So CPU is removable/upgradable, RAM is upgradable, SSDs are upgradable, and GPUs have the possibility of being upgradable. What was that about the Mac Pro being useless because it can't be upgraded and thus will quickly be obsolete?
excellent!
Does this mean that I can put this one there and save $800?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116925
Does this mean that I can put this one there and save $800?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116925
Doubtful. LGA 2011 has already been around for two gens.
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Already confirmed.
Apple probably wouldn't want to waste resources engineering a NEW daughterboard to fit with an EXISTING system and everything that is going to connect with it, particularly since they would be losing profit.
Not a massive deal.....
The Audio Jacks are also on a separate, replaceable board! Handy if you ever manage to snap a jack in there.
So everything in this none user upgradeable Mac Pro is removable? Nothing is soldered on the board? RAM and CPU are standard components you can get later for cheaper? Interesting.
Still, I want my sata port, my optical drive and my floppy drive back.
Still, I want my sata port, my optical drive and my floppy drive back.
$64,000 question - right here.
If any enterprising Mac journal worth its salt is reading this - it will be planning a way to find out if you can buy the baseline model and upgrade it to the 12 core and if it works, compare performance between the factory 12 core and the user-upgraded machine.
Nice to get confirmation, although the upgradable CPU was expected.
Those GPUs are still a problem.
For those incllined (Apple prices are for upgrading from base CPU), and assuming motherboard or firmware differences aren't blocking the upgrade:
3.0 GHz 8-core Xeon E5-1680 v2:
Apple: $2000
Retail: $1850
Aftermarket value of replaced stock CPU from Mac Pro
3.7 GHz 4-core Xeon E5-1620 V2:
ebay: $350
$1850 - $350 = $1500
So a DIY upgrade to 8 cores saves $500.
How about a 12 core upgrade?
2.7 GHz 12 Core Xeon E5-2697 V2:
Retail: $2800
Apple: $3500
Aftermarket value of replaced stock CPU from Mac Pro
3.7 GHz 4-core Xeon E5-1620 V2:
ebay: $350
$2800 - $350 = $2450
DIY upgrade to 12 cores saves $1050!
It's probably wise to keep the old CPU so it can be swapped back in if warranty work is required. In that case, only the 12-core upgrade is worth doing for a nice $700. Not enough to add the four HDD bays missing from the nMP, but a start.
Those GPUs are still a problem.
For those incllined (Apple prices are for upgrading from base CPU), and assuming motherboard or firmware differences aren't blocking the upgrade:
3.0 GHz 8-core Xeon E5-1680 v2:
Apple: $2000
Retail: $1850
Aftermarket value of replaced stock CPU from Mac Pro
3.7 GHz 4-core Xeon E5-1620 V2:
ebay: $350
$1850 - $350 = $1500
So a DIY upgrade to 8 cores saves $500.
How about a 12 core upgrade?
2.7 GHz 12 Core Xeon E5-2697 V2:
Retail: $2800
Apple: $3500
Aftermarket value of replaced stock CPU from Mac Pro
3.7 GHz 4-core Xeon E5-1620 V2:
ebay: $350
$2800 - $350 = $2450
DIY upgrade to 12 cores saves $1050!
It's probably wise to keep the old CPU so it can be swapped back in if warranty work is required. In that case, only the 12-core upgrade is worth doing for a nice $700. Not enough to add the four HDD bays missing from the nMP, but a start.
Apparently the GPUs are replaceable but use a proprietary connector. So technically you could buy some kind of upgrade kit from Apple/OWC like with SSD but not buy some standard PC graphics card and just plug it in.
http://www.mac4ever.com/actu/84534_...-mac-pro-sont-inter-changeables-prise-en-main
So everything in this none user upgradeable Mac Pro is removable? Nothing is soldered on the board? RAM and CPU are standard components you can get later for cheaper? Interesting.
Still, I want my sata port, my optical drive and my floppy drive back.
RAM and CPU, yes. GPUs? You can remove the old ones, but good luck finding a new one to drop in.
Still, I want my sata port, my optical drive and my floppy drive back.
Good riddance to the lot of 'em I have the USB optical drive for my rMBP and think I've used it all of one time. Can't recall the last time I used the optical drive on my mac pro.
I can't wait to finally be rid of my esata/usb3 expansion card which mostly works but sometimes likes to drop connection to the esata enclosures or panic if I plug a usb3 card reader in that it doesn't like.
Got my Pegasus2 R4 sitting here waiting to be connected to the new Mac Pro that should arrive sometime (hopefully) in January
pro workstations are not purchased w/ CPU updatability in mind, i assure you. we buy workstations, we use them for a number of years, and then we retire them. we are not sitting here dorking around w/ DIY CPU upgrades...thats an activity for enthusiasts.
This is awesome news! In two to three years after your Apple Care runs out, just upgrade your processor and it'll be like you have a brand new machine again!
This just seriously changed my mind about what to get. Knowing that I can upgrade the processor down the road I think I will be picking up the low end Mac Pro instead of the high end iMac and then be set for a great many years!
This just seriously changed my mind about what to get. Knowing that I can upgrade the processor down the road I think I will be picking up the low end Mac Pro instead of the high end iMac and then be set for a great many years!
LG Socket 2011 though will be depreciated once Haswell based xeon's are released too wont they? i'm not versed that well in intel's roadmap, but isn't it sort of late to this particular socket iteration?
though, the fact it's a standard CPU socket without any customization which allows for you to put your own CPU in there is absolutely an awesome inclusion.
now...
how bout those GPU cards
so far the e5 haswells (46xx series) have all been LGA2011, but there's no guarantee that wont change.
While people were wondering about the CPU, I believe the biggest issue are the GPU's. While it looks like they can be removed relatively easy, it still remains to be known if anything resembling an upgraded version will ever be made available (by either Apple, AMD, or whoever)
yea that makes sense... I'm not a business or office.. so for me to get the 6 core loaded up now make my money to pay my self back for it, then purchase the 12 core at that time which could be 6 months later.. who knows.. its just a side hobby for me, not to mention an educational tool. This year is learning maya, houdini and vray as well as working with 4k Raw camera. Never done it.. see how it goes
This is true of any computer ever made. You can't use a socket that still doesn't exists to host the CPU.