It would have been nice to at least have the option, though. This computer has been out for an entire year and this is the first time you've been able to upgrade the SSD (unless you wanted to buy those possibly stolen parts off eBay)
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OWC Announces First 1TB and 2TB SSD Upgrades for 2013 Mac Pro
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It would have been nice to at least have the option, though. This computer has been out for an entire year and this is the first time you've been able to upgrade the SSD (unless you wanted to buy those possibly stolen parts off eBay)
What stress level did you run yours at?
This is my 1tb drive from apple on the 5 gig
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The 850 EVO is not the first. The 850 PRO was the first Samsung SSD for customers which contained/contains 3D NAND memory.
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That is just an assertion without substance. Of course, you know more about SSDs and flash memory than the engineers behind the SATA and TRIM command specification and all SSD manufacturers + firmware developers together.
nMP(6): 3Tb Fusion Drive?
Any ideas why there is no 3Tb Fusion Drive option for the nMP(6)? They managed to squeeze one into the iMac, so it does not seem to be due to space/size limitations. http://images.anandtech.com/doci/6406/ipad-mini-150_575px.jpg
Maybe OWC could fill that gap too.
Any ideas why there is no 3Tb Fusion Drive option for the nMP(6)? They managed to squeeze one into the iMac, so it does not seem to be due to space/size limitations. http://images.anandtech.com/doci/6406/ipad-mini-150_575px.jpg
Maybe OWC could fill that gap too.
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Are there people out there that find buying $3000 MacPro and then adding a $1000 storage reasonable ?
I hear same spec wintel machines can be found much cheaper. I guess it makes a big difference when you are running a firm and you need to buy 10 of those.
I hear same spec wintel machines can be found much cheaper. I guess it makes a big difference when you are running a firm and you need to buy 10 of those.
What you have to remember is that these machines are intended to be put to work, these are not your simple home/desktop system. This would be by freelancers or small business owners, and a lot of the cost of something like this is tax deductible for them (either in VAT or Income Tax).
So yeah, paying out an extra $1000 isn't really an issue.
It as combination of two facts:
1. Apple decided to design a pro workstation with only one CPU slot.
2. Intel does not have actual competency to Xeon, so they keep it with minimal investment and old architectures.
Why is so?
1. Each Xeon has only 40 lanes of PCIe. So if apple wants hight performance flash they have to accommodate for the lanes they have. So it will be (2) 16 Lanes for the graphics cards, and 4 for the PCIe flash storage and 4 for all the rest including 3 thunderbolt controllers. This decision by Apple has other negative connotations like low clock rate of the 12 core option (it could be tow 3.5ghz 6 cores). In the other hand it keeps power and costs down and the next generation Xeon will have up to 18 cores.
2. Even some personal computer chips on the Intel line have 40 PCIe lanes, so, one will have expected that since they keep Xeons one or two generations bellow their best, they will improve server related things. Memory bandwidth and IO are key performance components of server and workstation performance.They do not improve either. Go to intel ARC and you will see that Xeon supports lots of memory but is "low speed" memory. Some costumer processors also support 64GB of 1866 memory per socket.
Since Apple is not changing the mac pro enclosure any time soon, what we really need is AMD to launch a competitive server platform (unlikely).
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Probably a crappy 2 Lane PCIe that is common in the PC word. They should have gone 4PCIe lanes even is more expensive. But they wanted to "look" like a cheaper alternative when they are not. Even the price difference is not that big. If you buy the 1TB option for the mac pro you get a SSD that is around 30% faster
and you pay 100$ less. Of course then you don't have the 256GB ssd but a 256GB ssd is about 100$ so what's the point again ? It's only for people that did not but enough storage to begin with and maybe for some that want fully internal storage even if it means a slow one.
The only good part is that they cracked the interface.
Apple is been stupid with the trim stuff. They are becoming Microsoft like trying to force crap into users. An example: they try to force people to sync the iPhones via the then subpar net services (blocking USB). For a time it was easier to sync the iPhone with with a Windows machine.
The discontinuation of Aperture is other point, Apple can have a product that is not rentable. But a new story of trowing pros under the rug (Shake anyone?) point in one direction: Should a company invest in FCPx?
I understand that Adobe use Photoshop's monopolistic power all the time (quarkxpress, Macromedia, Apple Aperture) but they should have move the cost to the Mac division or give Photos all the power that Aperture has now even if they leave the pro market to Adobe.
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This is incorrect, it says it's compatible with the OWC Envoy Pro, which is a USB 3.0 external drive. But who knows, the actual PCIe SSD will probably work on all other PCIe based Macs.
Guess.
Educate yourself how GC works, educate yourself about its shortcomings regarding filesystems and deleted files, and finally educate yourself how TRIM is mitigating these shortcominigs and why GC without TRIM is not a viable alternative.
Then reevalute your posting.
Have a nice day.
PS: If TRIM really were a "low cost half assed solution", why is Apple enabling it for all its SSDs?
Yes every PCIe lane is used.
I think the new PCIe SSD generation became much faster than Apple expected and they went from a two slot PCIe x2 design to a one slot PCIe x4 design.
You are correct. I missed the fact that it was under the Envoy Pro section. Thank you for correcting me!
I saw 2TB SSD in the title and jumped out of my seat...until I saw 'for mac pro'.
I have been waiting so long for a macbook pro 2TB SSD. ADATA promised one in the 4th quarter of this year at two tech events (one in Janurary and one in June). Still no 2TB SSD for laptops by any company!
I agree, but I honestly think it may have to do with price. After a certain point, no one will want to drop that kind of bread on a 2TB laptop unless they are a power users and/or have the disposable income. Other than that it's enterprise, which would eat that kind of drive up, but then the price would no doubt sky rocket above even the $1500 price for this 2TB.
I don't like the prices, but given that someone could buy the Mac Pro then upgrade it's a welcomed addition.
Although I'd rather buy the right drive at the time of purchase.
My tinkering days are pretty much over.
Hopefully, we will see nVIDIA graphics for the Mac Pro now that their Maxwell architecture is out. It would really be nice if they released cards like the Titan Black (unlocked CUDA cores) so people using Blender can use the Cycles Render engine.
It's actually quite simple... there's not enough spare processor bandwidth to run another SSD. All the PCIe lanes from the CPU are allocated already.
I just pre-ordered the 2TB. I have been sick of moving stuff back and forth on my 256GB drive.
Then I just looked at the specs and the 2TB is no where near as quick as my current drive. Not sure if I should cancel my order.
I wish Apple would release these to buy separately after you buy the Mac Pro!
Now for buyers remorse to really kick in, Apple will release a 5k Display that is not compatible with 2013 Mac Pros.
I am beginning to feel like I am a Guinea pig and should have waited for gen2 of the new Mac Pro...
Then I just looked at the specs and the 2TB is no where near as quick as my current drive. Not sure if I should cancel my order.
I wish Apple would release these to buy separately after you buy the Mac Pro!
Now for buyers remorse to really kick in, Apple will release a 5k Display that is not compatible with 2013 Mac Pros.
I am beginning to feel like I am a Guinea pig and should have waited for gen2 of the new Mac Pro...
I stand corrected. 850 Evo is the first 3D NAND SSD to use TLC, the Pro was using MLC. I misunderstood what Anand wrote.
Can you explain the tax deductible part? If you purchase a mac pro you can get a tax break from your income? how?
I am not an American
Neither am I, I just applied the rules of my country (the Netherlands) to the situation.
In my case I buy something like this and claim the VAT back (21%) using what's know as the Kleineondernemersregeling (Small business arrangement). As long as I keep the VAT on my income within a certain threshold I can either not pay VAT at all or only pay a percentage of it. Anything I purchase that is used for my work is then deductible from my income, as it's an investment in my business, and is deductible from my Income Tax Return.
I tend to balance my accounts at the end of each year and work out what I need to buy to reduce the amount of tax I pay. So this $3000 Mac Pro plus this $1000 upgrade wouldn't end up costing me anywhere near $4000.
Here's an example of paying no VAT in the Netherlands. It's in Dutch but pretty straightforward to understand. In the Example the individual has made € 30.000 during the year, and has personally paid out € 5.330 on purchases/expenses for their business. The technically owe € 970 to the Tax Office but using the kleineondernemersregeling the can actually pay 0.
I'd assume that most countries have a similar setup to support small businesses.
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