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samcraig

macrumors P6
Jun 22, 2009
16,779
41,982
USA
this will be the features

- Unibody Design (New Design)
- 4G LTE World Phone
- 4 inch 16:9 Retina Display (Bigger Screen)
- Apple A6 Quad Core (Faster Processor)
- 12 MP Camera (Slow Motion 60 fps)
- 2 MP Front Camera (FaceTime HD)
- Bigger Battery (Longer Talk Time)
- MagPort / MagSafe (Data & Power)
- AirDrop
- NFC
- 802.11n (5Ghz)
- 1GB DRAM
- 16, 32 & 64 GB Storage

Apple doesn't need more megapixels. "more" megapixels is smoke and mirrors - especially since no consumer is typically printing larger than 5x7 or at all. And image quality isn't about megapixels anymore anyway. It's about the lens and imaging sensor size.

Apple sued samsung....
So Apple probably have to find a new part maker.

No they won't. Business is business. Apple has a contract with Samsung and Samsung produces several key components which Apple enjoys a great price on. Samsung sells a lot to Apple. It's a win-win regardless of other litigation that is going on.
 

JHankwitz

macrumors 68000
Oct 31, 2005
1,911
58
Wisconsin
Apple has not yet provided a SDK nor tools to developers. If anything, only apps from their bigger 3rd parties (think Epic, EA, Adobe, Autodesk) will be ready on launch. The 99$ registered developers get nothing and no forward warning, as usual.

Who would you trust to keep a secret? If nothing else, it promotes survival of the fittest.

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What phone did you go from using? I Have the 4s, and am strongly considering getting an s3, despite having an all apple ecosystem.

Then go for it! Your 'vote' will be noted by Apple and help drive future development direction.
 

efktd

macrumors 6502a
Sep 29, 2011
566
677
USA
i'd say they are controlled leaks. they have to keep people interested in a "new iPhone" somehow. the 4s is already the greatest phone, i don't think many 4s owners are going to need to upgrade.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
They would be dumb to put the A5X in it. Way too big, too hot and too much power usage. They could use the 32nm A5 from the refreshed iPad 2, but a completely new code number has shown up in log dumps from iOS betas several months ago. It's possible we could be seeing the next chip in the iPad, but I'm betting we see some new silicon for the SoC on the next iPhone.

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/2...simultaneous-development-on-a5x-and-a6-chips/

Get it out of your head. You're not getting anything better than the iPad's SoC in the new iPhone, no matter what it ends up being. They could just move the A5X to a smaller process to reduce its size, heat dissipation and power usage. That is the most you're getting.

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Who would you trust to keep a secret? If nothing else, it promotes survival of the fittest.

It promotes corporatism, where the smaller 3rd parties are left with little and the scrapes and the big boys get to keep their big boy status by being privilege by other big boys.

That you think this has anything to do with "fittest" is beyond me. Some of the best and most innovative stuff on iOS doesn't even come from the likes of the big players. EA has yet to give us anything meaningful beyond rehashed crap. Squaresoft keeps porting old software over or making plain bad games (which is surprising in their case), Epic is riding their "Infinity Blade" game which is nothing more than bathroom entertainment (that's where I play it most anyway). And they charge an arm and a leg for it compared to the smaller players.

No, Apple just wouldn't out a secret like that and it does hurt "on launch" titles. No one can be ready except who Apple wants to be ready and that's never the small fry innovative guy. It's big corporate toady.
 

chrmjenkins

macrumors 603
Oct 29, 2007
5,325
158
MD
Get it out of your head. You're not getting anything better than the iPad's SoC in the new iPhone, no matter what it ends up being. They could just move the A5X to a smaller process to reduce its size, heat dissipation and power usage. That is the most you're getting.

Regardless of whether it's a new SoC or not, the iPhone is not getting the A5X in any variation. The 45nm A5X is dead after the 3rd gen iPad. The only way it will stick around is if that's the version they keep selling after they introduce the next iPad.

The 543MP4 is a brute force approach only necessitated by the iPad's retina screen. By the time they release the next iPad, they can do Rogue and do away with the 543. The new iPhone with its incremental resolution increase has no need for that much power, much less have any space physically, thermally or in the power budget.

I'd put the iPhone getting a new SoC at 50/50, but it won't be the A5X.
 

Indy21

macrumors 6502
Mar 24, 2008
376
0
Bingo. I'm always amazed at how many people are quick to assume Apple doesn't know what it is doing when it comes to this stuff. They get legions of people to buy incrementally better devices for boatloads of money year-after-year through clever marketing and strategy... You really think they don't know how to handle their suppliers?

They leak this stuff to get tech blogs foaming at the mouth, which in turn gets the Apple legions fired up into a frenzy. By the time the release of the new phone takes place, people will buy anything Apple reveals, almost without question.

Good post.
 

ahireasu

macrumors regular
Jul 7, 2007
178
161
Why do so many want Apple to deviate from near perfection? We don't need our products totally changed every year. We need multiple minor changes to continually make them better and better.

Yea "perfection":rolleyes: and the imac g4 was perfection but then we had the g5 and the iphone 3g was "perfect" but that didn't stop apple to change the design,there is no such thing as absolute perfection,because this is what you are talking about,everything evolves sometimes the new is better sometimes not but this is innovation and you should better pray to never stop.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
The 543MP4 is a brute force approach only necessitated by the iPad's retina screen. By the time they release the next iPad, they can do Rogue and do away with the 543. The new iPhone with its incremental resolution increase has no need for that much power, much less have any space physically, thermally or in the power budget.

By that logic, the iPhone 4S didn't "need" the A5 at all, since the A4 could already pushed the Retina resolution on the iPhone 4. It still got it. Look, my 3Dfx Voodoo Graphics card could push out plenty of pixels back in 1998. Yet 3Dfx came out with the Voodoo 2 chipset, nVidia has been releasing chipsets ever since to compete, same with ATI.

Progress is made year after year. That's why I think they won't just put an A5 in the new iPhone, and they won't release a new SoC that trumps the new iPad either (they have never done so, the iPad has always been an indication of the iPhone's SoC for later that year).

Apple is about simple increments and small steps. That's how they keep component costs low, but assuring that they have large volume. They won't suddenly source 2 different SoCs. So either we're getting an A5, or the A5X is getting evolved somehow (and maybe even making its way into the rumored "updated" iPad/iPad mini. Just a SoC update to help battery/heat).
 

flux73

macrumors 65816
May 29, 2009
1,019
134
How is this a leak? It doesn't tell us anything about the screen dimensions or the quality of the image. We know about as much as we did before he announced it.
 

metsjetsfan

macrumors 65816
Feb 2, 2011
1,387
238
About 50 days b/w now and launch even at around 80-100k units a day that's only 4-5 million units. Wonder if that is enough for launch. They are also prob using the brazil facility this time.
 

Elijahg

macrumors 6502
May 23, 2005
269
174
Bath, UK
Once Sharp makes a good product Apple will buy. Look at how long Apple has been purchasing from Samsung amidst all the legal wrangling and competition.

True, but afaik, Samsung never leaked any of Apple's plans.


Yes, because Apple manages to have one of the best supply lines in the industry by letting emotions and their own paranoia decide business relationships. :rolleyes:

Oh really?
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/00/07/19/apple_turns_cold_shoulder_towards_ati_at_macworld.html
 

-LikesMac-

macrumors 6502
Jun 20, 2010
429
23
Okay.

What made the Sharp president do this? :D

On another note, since everyone's talking about the iPhone....

I hope the upcoming iPhone gets an Apple A6. The A5X is going to be a bit outdated since it's only a GPU boost from the A5.
 

chrmjenkins

macrumors 603
Oct 29, 2007
5,325
158
MD
By that logic, the iPhone 4S didn't "need" the A5 at all, since the A4 could already pushed the Retina resolution on the iPhone 4. It still got it. Look, my 3Dfx Voodoo Graphics card could push out plenty of pixels back in 1998. Yet 3Dfx came out with the Voodoo 2 chipset, nVidia has been releasing chipsets ever since to compete, same with ATI.

Progress is made year after year. That's why I think they won't just put an A5 in the new iPhone, and they won't release a new SoC that trumps the new iPad either (they have never done so, the iPad has always been an indication of the iPhone's SoC for later that year).

Apple is about simple increments and small steps. That's how they keep component costs low, but assuring that they have large volume. They won't suddenly source 2 different SoCs. So either we're getting an A5, or the A5X is getting evolved somehow (and maybe even making its way into the rumored "updated" iPad/iPad mini. Just a SoC update to help battery/heat).

The A5X isn't a reasonable increase IMO. The iPad 3 battery had to grow 70% to get the same battery life as the iPad 2. That wasn't all the new screen. It's also way too large and hot. They'd have significantly reduced space for other components on the board.

So, apple won't source two different SoCs, yet they continue to produce A4, A5 (in both 45nm and 32nm) and A5X in addition to still sourcing the Samsung processor for the 3GS?

If they make a new SoC for the iphone, it's not as if that engineering won't apply to future iterations, especially if it uses A15 or Rogue cores.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
If they make a new SoC for the iphone, it's not as if that engineering won't apply to future iterations, especially if it uses A15 or Rogue cores.

You're not getting a Cortex A15 core in the new iPhone in September that is pretty much a given. The new iPhone won't have a more powerful SoC than the iPad 3.

If you really don't believe in a die-shrunk A5X, then we're getting another year with the A5.
 

Boiler

macrumors regular
Apr 30, 2009
149
0
T.C. is responsible for the security @ Sharp?

Not sure what better words to use.
Tim Cook was quoted as something like "we will control leaks, seriously."
So if the CEO of a big supplier drops product spec hints and timing of supplies, then Tim Cook either is not being clear enough or posing a credible threat to prevent leaks through contracts or incentives.

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T.C. is responsible for the security @ Sharp?

http://areacellphone.com/2012/06/apple-iphone-5-new-videos-tim-cook-deliberately-leaking-fake-parts-and-components/
 

chrmjenkins

macrumors 603
Oct 29, 2007
5,325
158
MD
You're not getting a Cortex A15 core in the new iPhone in September that is pretty much a given. The new iPhone won't have a more powerful SoC than the iPad 3.

If you really don't believe in a die-shrunk A5X, then we're getting another year with the A5.

Why is it a given? Samsung's Exynos 5250, which has the A15, is already in production given their roadmap. You can make the argument that iPads get the SoCs first, but there is no way the next iphone is getting the A5X given its size, power and heat. Thus it's probably getting an A5 or something new. Seeing as how every iPhone has got a new CPU since the 3GS, Apple has a history of updating the iPhone CPU too. There's no way to tell what we're getting, but A15 is possible.
 

terraphantm

macrumors 68040
Jun 27, 2009
3,814
663
Pennsylvania
You're not getting a Cortex A15 core in the new iPhone in September that is pretty much a given. The new iPhone won't have a more powerful SoC than the iPad 3.

If you really don't believe in a die-shrunk A5X, then we're getting another year with the A5.

It's either going to be another A5, or it'll be something along the lines of an A15. At the iPhone's res, the GPU would be rather CPU limited with an A5X.

It's not impossible for the iPhone to outspec the iPad. Afterall, the iPhone 4 had 512MB ram while the first iPad only had 256MB... even though the iPad arguably could have made better use out of the extra memory.
 

Asatar

macrumors newbie
Jun 18, 2011
18
0
  • 4" 16:9 Retina Display
  • Thinner IZGO screen
  • Entire phone same thickness as the metal band on iPhone 4 / 4S
  • AirDrop via Bluetooth 4.0
  • 10mp camera with improved lens for low-light conditions and better colour
  • 1.3mp front facing FaceTime camera (hoping for 2mp....)
  • 4G LTE compatible across the world (after the iPad 3 4G debacle)
  • New 8 pin MagSafe connector
  • Improved battery life, up to 12 hours call time

Honestly I think the most important features for a smartphone nowadays to sell well are battery life, camera and aesthetic design. The vast majority of people don't care about connectors, NFS, PassBook etc.
 

HishamAkhtar

macrumors 6502a
Oct 22, 2011
510
1
  • 4" 16:9 Retina Display
  • Thinner IZGO screen
  • Entire phone same thickness as the metal band on iPhone 4 / 4S
  • AirDrop via Bluetooth 4.0
  • 10mp camera with improved lens for low-light conditions and better colour
  • 1.3mp front facing FaceTime camera (hoping for 2mp....)
  • 4G LTE compatible across the world (after the iPad 3 4G debacle)
  • New 8 pin MagSafe connector
  • Improved battery life, up to 12 hours call time

Honestly I think the most important features for a smartphone nowadays to sell well are battery life, camera and aesthetic design. The vast majority of people don't care about connectors, NFS, PassBook etc.

Instagram-ers everywhere would be happy.

What's the use of NSF anyway?

I think Passbook looks interesting as long as it's not really a gimmick and has offline support.

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  • 4" 16:9 Retina Display
  • Thinner IZGO screen
  • Entire phone same thickness as the metal band on iPhone 4 / 4S
  • AirDrop via Bluetooth 4.0
  • 10mp camera with improved lens for low-light conditions and better colour
  • 1.3mp front facing FaceTime camera (hoping for 2mp....)
  • 4G LTE compatible across the world (after the iPad 3 4G debacle)
  • New 8 pin MagSafe connector
  • Improved battery life, up to 12 hours call time

Honestly I think the most important features for a smartphone nowadays to sell well are battery life, camera and aesthetic design. The vast majority of people don't care about connectors, NFS, PassBook etc.

Where are people getting MagSafe connectors from? Can it be used to transfer data?
 

MaxHedrm

macrumors newbie
Jul 22, 2011
27
5
Well that's the last Apple contract Sharp'll get.

Doubtful. & I'm not even sure this really counts as a leak. All he said is that a new phone is coming out & that Sharp is making the screen. All you have to do is look at a product schedule to know the first part.

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What's the use of NSF anyway?

I'll presume you guys mean NFC or Near Field Communications. It's just a way to transfer data to another device in close proximity. That proximity requirement seemingly makes it more secure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication


Where are people getting MagSafe connectors from? Can it be used to transfer data?

It's the connector attachment I think people are hoping for & rumormongering about, not really the cable.
 
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