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Some Bands Say No to iTunes
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Greed Day?
If their whole album is a great piece of art, maybe they should trust their customers to come to that conclusion. We don't hear any complains from artists like Bob Dylan and Alanis Morisette who really creates true albums. I would never by a single song from Blood On The Tracks, I would by the album. I mean Linking Park and Greed Day.... Com'on! I think the Music Store really has a chance to improve the quality of music in the long run.
I just saw Iron Maiden on the Roskilde festival (Denmark) and Bruce Dickinsson made a great speach. Something like: "We're now gonna play a song from our forthcomming album and I'm sure somebody here is gonna record it and send it out on the net... But that's just fine. Download it all you can because they ain't gonna play it on the radio. And if our next album is crap, download that too. But if it's great, promise me you will buy it. Do we have a deal?"
If their whole album is a great piece of art, maybe they should trust their customers to come to that conclusion. We don't hear any complains from artists like Bob Dylan and Alanis Morisette who really creates true albums. I would never by a single song from Blood On The Tracks, I would by the album. I mean Linking Park and Greed Day.... Com'on! I think the Music Store really has a chance to improve the quality of music in the long run.
I just saw Iron Maiden on the Roskilde festival (Denmark) and Bruce Dickinsson made a great speach. Something like: "We're now gonna play a song from our forthcomming album and I'm sure somebody here is gonna record it and send it out on the net... But that's just fine. Download it all you can because they ain't gonna play it on the radio. And if our next album is crap, download that too. But if it's great, promise me you will buy it. Do we have a deal?"
i can see both sides of this argument - look at a band like Radiohead, who obsessively labor over track running orders in order to create a complete *album* and not just a collection of songs. i believe their one album on the iTMS was pulled because they weren't comfortable with allowing people to purchase individual songs.
OTOH, as a number of people have already stated, taking away the legitimate option for people who want to get single tracks ensures that they will look elsewhere, to kazaa or wherever, and then the artists lose income, and the riaa can moan some more about stealing music.
as for metallica, i never liked them or knew much about them so i can't really say it's a huge loss, but the rhcp definitely had albums that would have benefitted from some editing. bloodsugarsexmagik was about 25 minutes too long...
OTOH, as a number of people have already stated, taking away the legitimate option for people who want to get single tracks ensures that they will look elsewhere, to kazaa or wherever, and then the artists lose income, and the riaa can moan some more about stealing music.
as for metallica, i never liked them or knew much about them so i can't really say it's a huge loss, but the rhcp definitely had albums that would have benefitted from some editing. bloodsugarsexmagik was about 25 minutes too long...
Forget about them anyway...
If they don't want to play then...screw em. I hope Kazaa, Morpheus, LimeWire and company send you all to the poor house.
Metallica's latest album sucks royal. You hear that Lars and James ... you suck!!!
I never understood the RHCP music anyway.
Greed Day is still around???
I thought the Van Halen brothers were egotistical, but Metallica takes the cake. At least I see Van Halen music in the ITMS. I don't hear them complaining.
C'mon boys, the 80's and 90's are dead. Time to grow up like the rest of us.
Just my 99 cents worth...
CheekyGit
If they don't want to play then...screw em. I hope Kazaa, Morpheus, LimeWire and company send you all to the poor house.
Metallica's latest album sucks royal. You hear that Lars and James ... you suck!!!
I never understood the RHCP music anyway.
Greed Day is still around???
I thought the Van Halen brothers were egotistical, but Metallica takes the cake. At least I see Van Halen music in the ITMS. I don't hear them complaining.
C'mon boys, the 80's and 90's are dead. Time to grow up like the rest of us.
Just my 99 cents worth...
CheekyGit
Well, if artists won't allow their music to be distributed through legal channels - then I have no sympathy.
-> Let the illegal distribution continue
They get no money for their work. Tough
The music market has changed, its about time artists catch up with consumer demand.
-> Let the illegal distribution continue
They get no money for their work. Tough
The music market has changed, its about time artists catch up with consumer demand.
surely they're missing the point - if the album works as a complete piece of "art" (and I'm fully behind them saying that) then people will buy it as an album. If it's a piecemeal collections of songs then people will pick and choose. It's not like any of these bands refuse to sell singles is it? Or have a three minute video on MTV?
i WANT albums (sometimes)
Me, i WANT to buy entire albums very often. In fact, I hate that there are (still?) so many "Partial Albums" in the store.
But that's when the album, as a whole is good. When just a few tracks are good, then maybe artists need to reeaxmine what they do.
I mean, I always wondered about artists who release "Greatest Hits" albums. Shouldn't EVERY song be a GREAT HIT in the eyes of the artist? Or could it be that (GASP!) some songs on CDs, well, suck?
Me, i WANT to buy entire albums very often. In fact, I hate that there are (still?) so many "Partial Albums" in the store.
But that's when the album, as a whole is good. When just a few tracks are good, then maybe artists need to reeaxmine what they do.
I mean, I always wondered about artists who release "Greatest Hits" albums. Shouldn't EVERY song be a GREAT HIT in the eyes of the artist? Or could it be that (GASP!) some songs on CDs, well, suck?
Whole Album
Since 'The Bends' I'd be hard pushed to listen to an entire Radiohead album from start to finish since by about the third song I'd have slashed my wrists.
I need someone to pass me the prozac whenever I hear a single one of their songs on the radio.
Since 'The Bends' I'd be hard pushed to listen to an entire Radiohead album from start to finish since by about the third song I'd have slashed my wrists.
I need someone to pass me the prozac whenever I hear a single one of their songs on the radio.
It would be nice if these fat cats suffered for their art again. Maybe it would remind them of where they came from and their product would improve.
As a few others have said, I don't begrudge them the right to control distribution of their "art." Just as Apple refuses to change the way it does things to gain more of the mass market (going cheap, abandoning design, following rather than innovating), these music acts are self-selecting a smaller audience.
Good for them. I hope it works out the way they think it will. Otherwise...
enjoy the government cheese, boys.
As a few others have said, I don't begrudge them the right to control distribution of their "art." Just as Apple refuses to change the way it does things to gain more of the mass market (going cheap, abandoning design, following rather than innovating), these music acts are self-selecting a smaller audience.
Good for them. I hope it works out the way they think it will. Otherwise...
enjoy the government cheese, boys.
I am confused, Green Day does have albums for sale, 6 in fact... and one of them is their biggest seller, Dookie. So what is their beef?
I know it is the artist option to sell through iTunes but I think as the audience and fans, we should encourage these artist by emailing them from their web sites.
I also think that their statements regarding single song sales ends up looking very foolish due to all the over priced cd singles that they flood the market with.
I know it is the artist option to sell through iTunes but I think as the audience and fans, we should encourage these artist by emailing them from their web sites.
I also think that their statements regarding single song sales ends up looking very foolish due to all the over priced cd singles that they flood the market with.
Why cant they at least offer their older albums up for singles sales, they would still be making money and probably more for instance, where people who would not normally listen to thier music will have a try at 99c...hardcore fans have already got their whole collection for Gods sake..I mean do Metallica really think they can increase their audience to anyone under 25? geezz
Re: Re: Ummm...
Pink Floyd get's it - why don't those other guys --- oh yeah, they're idiots!
Same with Dark Side of the Moon, but it's on iTMS. (so is The Wall, btw)
Pink Floyd get's it - why don't those other guys --- oh yeah, they're idiots!
Re: Greed Day?
Comments like that make me want to buy the album no matter how bad it is.
About bands mixing tunes together and stuff...I personally believe there's a less noble reason than for the sake of art. I was thinking, a few months back, how a band could get more album sales and dissuade people from downloading. After listening to the latest Oasis album (which has a lot of songs "running into" the next one), I realized that they would be crappy-sounding downloads. (Kind of like recording stuff off the radio.) The latest Foo Fighters disc has a DVD bundled with it. Cool idea. Audioslave's CD will unlock other tunes from their website if it's in your drive. As Jack Welch said, "Change before you have to."
Squire
By the way, can anyone recommend some Chili Peppers albums? (Seeing as the ITMS doesn't run here, I have to buy albums anyway.)
Comments like that make me want to buy the album no matter how bad it is.
About bands mixing tunes together and stuff...I personally believe there's a less noble reason than for the sake of art. I was thinking, a few months back, how a band could get more album sales and dissuade people from downloading. After listening to the latest Oasis album (which has a lot of songs "running into" the next one), I realized that they would be crappy-sounding downloads. (Kind of like recording stuff off the radio.) The latest Foo Fighters disc has a DVD bundled with it. Cool idea. Audioslave's CD will unlock other tunes from their website if it's in your drive. As Jack Welch said, "Change before you have to."
Squire
By the way, can anyone recommend some Chili Peppers albums? (Seeing as the ITMS doesn't run here, I have to buy albums anyway.)
Re: What about radio?
I think an album is a work of art - and to be viewed as a whole. If I really wanted it, I'd buy it.
I think an album is a work of art - and to be viewed as a whole. If I really wanted it, I'd buy it.
Re: Re: What about radio?
I certainly think an album can be a work of art (e.g., Supernatural by Carlos Santana) but more times than not, they are simply a collection of songs.
Artists who don't contribute to iTMS also deprive themselves of the ability to expose the audience to the excellent 30 second samples. To get that kind of exposure the artists need to depend upon customers visiting brick and mortar retailers who offer that service. For me, I don't think I'll ever buy music from a physical store again.
I certainly think an album can be a work of art (e.g., Supernatural by Carlos Santana) but more times than not, they are simply a collection of songs.
Artists who don't contribute to iTMS also deprive themselves of the ability to expose the audience to the excellent 30 second samples. To get that kind of exposure the artists need to depend upon customers visiting brick and mortar retailers who offer that service. For me, I don't think I'll ever buy music from a physical store again.
THIS IS SUCH A LOAD OF CRAP!!
seriously...
#1... Thosse bands have been putting out really crappy albums with 1 or 2 "good" songs...
They know that.... we know that... and they want us to spend $15 to listen to those songs, and skip the others???
That is crap..
The Apple music store lets you preview all songs for 30 seconds, and those bands all know that no one will buy the songs if they get to hear them first...
I hate Metallica...
It is funny how the bands with too much money are such little bi#ches about their songs... but the bands with no money just want to be heard...
seriously...
#1... Thosse bands have been putting out really crappy albums with 1 or 2 "good" songs...
They know that.... we know that... and they want us to spend $15 to listen to those songs, and skip the others???
That is crap..
The Apple music store lets you preview all songs for 30 seconds, and those bands all know that no one will buy the songs if they get to hear them first...
I hate Metallica...
It is funny how the bands with too much money are such little bi#ches about their songs... but the bands with no money just want to be heard...
hehe I never liked linkin park anyway.. and rhcp has become pretty lame from the old days
I don't mind.. I usually listen the whole album through since most of the music I buy I know there's no tracks I don't like. and if there is, they are very few.
still the thing I want is iTMS to europe and european labels onboard..
I don't mind.. I usually listen the whole album through since most of the music I buy I know there's no tracks I don't like. and if there is, they are very few.
still the thing I want is iTMS to europe and european labels onboard..
Re: Some Bands Say No to iTunes
'Cause I'd sure like to return a couple recent Metallica CDs.
How about we agree to buy their albums, if they agree to offer a money-back guarantee that the album doesn't suck?
'Cause I'd sure like to return a couple recent Metallica CDs.
Re: Some Bands Say No to iTunes
...all old, dated, crappy sounding bands.
Plus we all know about Metallica and their witchhunt on the napster kids.
RHCP and Green Day will continue to release clichéd albums, metallica will continue to lose bassists and Linkin Park will be forgotten in a few minutes.
No big loss.
...all old, dated, crappy sounding bands.
Plus we all know about Metallica and their witchhunt on the napster kids.
RHCP and Green Day will continue to release clichéd albums, metallica will continue to lose bassists and Linkin Park will be forgotten in a few minutes.
No big loss.
They WILL Change...
When at the end of this year itunes hits Windoz and becomes global, the bands opting out now will see how much they're losing.
When at the end of this year itunes hits Windoz and becomes global, the bands opting out now will see how much they're losing.