No need to start shouting. I understand that. I'm watching "Desk Tour and How I Use My 6 Screens" now. If he wants Apple to address his use case, though, he needs to make a case for having single windows spanning multiple monitors on an optional independent-space model. I doubt anyone who can do anything about it is going to watch his channel to understand his concern.
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No need to start shouting. I understand that. I'm watching "Desk Tour and How I Use My 6 Screens" now. If he wants Apple to address his use case, though, he needs to make a case for having single windows spanning multiple monitors on an optional independent-space model. I doubt anyone who can do anything about it is going to watch his channel to understand his concern.
I'm not shouting, just pointing out a fact, and why do you think anyone who cares is going to watch his video? Or that I think that? I never said that. It could also be considered slander to post someones video on a website and let your readers slate them in the comments.
And why are you telling me anyway? Go onto his channel and tell him to speak with Apple, what's the point in telling me that?
I think so too. He want's the screens to work individually for spaces and full screen mode but to work together at the same time for making an app span more than one window.
This is just a guy complaining for the sake of complaining and making a video. You can't have it both ways.
And on top of it all it's Developer Preview One!
I've watched a couple of that bloke's videos before - I'm sure he's a lovely guy, but VERY annoying.
swingerofbirch
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I thought the accent was Australian at first and then it sounded like a regional British accent. Can someone let this American know? I find accents quite interesting. I really liked the "whilst" he used.
I'm not so sure. I want all my displays to move as one as well, just not because of my wallpaper. I generally have one space dedicated to, say, browsing, and another for coding, another for VMs, etc. I want all my browsing stuff (spread across multiple displays) to move as one, same for all my coding stuff (emacs, project spec, terminal window, Finder, etc), etc. It would be weird if I swiped from my browsing space only to get one display full of XCode and another full of porn
Agree entirely: it's horses for courses! Different users have different (sometimes intricate) needs. He was trying to use WALLPAPERS as the example people, not as the actual app(s) he would be using with the difficulty in it! It's to do with how SOME USERS need their screens to react to THEIR usage cases.
1) Why multiple screens change all at once?
e.g. Stock traders have 6 screens with several stock related info on them, 'stocks screen mode'. They then want to swipe ONCE to change ALL the screens into 'email & text mode' to deal with that stuff, before then swiping ONCE back again to see all the 'stocks screen mode' to keep track of trades. It's not rocket science.
(in fact, having seen some other vids of his, MrThai does trading and several other higher-end computing tasks, that makes this a necessity for him.)
2) Why one window across physical screens?
e.g. Large docs like spreadsheets with several columns, either vertically or horizontally, is one I can think of. Others may be picture editors working on VERY large dpi images, may want to see the whole image ACROSS screens (I saw London visual artists Gilbert & George having this need, on a TV documentary a while ago.)
Hence, these both seem like very logical use cases to me. While I personally don't need to use apps that way, does not mean others may indeed need this usage. I wish people would grow-up, and learn that THEIR usage, is not the ONLY usage – especially in a world where more and more things are being done on computers by single users in both office and home environs.
This is pretty dumb. The way he showed Mavericks working is a HUGE improvement over what it's done in the past. He's complaining because his wallpaper can't span over 6 monitors? Give me a break! I agree that monitors should be numbered in some kind of order instead of randomly, but it's beta 1. His accent didn't help his cause much either. I don't really know why this was posted as a front page story.
Seriously? What does that have to do with anything?
Space per monitor is an improvement for many people. For others not so much. Looks like both options are there so all is good fit right now.
I care more about the in-stock ability to arrange apps side-by-side quickly. It's one area that OSX is behind Windows 7.
swingerofbirch
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It's London/Essex/"Cockney"
Cockney was actually my first thought, but then I realized I didn't know what a cockney accent was precisely. But the word popped into my head for some reason. I figured I was probably wrong as I've heard there are so many British accents with subtle differences. Thanks for the info.
I do see his point about spaces in each monitor working separately being an issue. Not so much for the more trivial desktop picture. Rather keeping track of what is where when you have numerous monitors and spaces.
Rather what Apple should do instead of simply having a toggle between the classic and new way of handling multiple monitors. Is have each change be an option you can toggle on or off. Perhaps hide them behind an advanced button.
Apple in it's quest for simplicity forgets that there are power users whom can handle a lot of details. Generally someone with multiple monitors will be more savvy.
Rather what Apple should do instead of simply having a toggle between the classic and new way of handling multiple monitors. Is have each change be an option you can toggle on or off. Perhaps hide them behind an advanced button.
Apple in it's quest for simplicity forgets that there are power users whom can handle a lot of details. Generally someone with multiple monitors will be more savvy.
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If you got it, you wouldn't have said such silly comments in the first place, and we wouldn't be telling you so here, lol!
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Yes you did, you completely missed the point: not once but twice. Firstly, someone's accent has no barring on anything; and second, it's got nothing to do with the bloody wallpapers, it's to do with 'multiscreen spaces' (as I, and others, clearly explained above).
If you got it, you wouldn't have said such silly comments in the first place, and we wouldn't be telling you so here, lol!
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You mean people don't all use their computer the same way?!?!
Having a full-screen app kill all your other screens was awful, I think we all agree to that.
I think the better solution which was mentioned previously in this thread is to do some sort of display grouping. These groups would maintain monitor space sync with each other.
For example a 3 monitor setup:
Monitor 1 - Utility
Mail, Safari, iMessage, Text Edit, Desktop, etc. fast switching between a lot of different apps, some might be full screen. When your cursor is in this window you will have full access to your minor apps.
Monitor 2 & 3 - Work
Premier, Photoshop spanned over 2 monitors. One monitor will hold the content and one will hold the toolbars and other floating windows. When you switch when your cursor is in monitor 2 or 3 you will switch them together.
I would think that it would be a simple matter of shift-clicking some monitors inside of the arrangement tab in System Preferences. Obviously, after you group monitor 2-3 any apps you put on monitor 2-3 will switch their desktops together.
I think this grouping idea is the best of both worlds.
Having a full-screen app kill all your other screens was awful, I think we all agree to that.
I think the better solution which was mentioned previously in this thread is to do some sort of display grouping. These groups would maintain monitor space sync with each other.
For example a 3 monitor setup:
Monitor 1 - Utility
Mail, Safari, iMessage, Text Edit, Desktop, etc. fast switching between a lot of different apps, some might be full screen. When your cursor is in this window you will have full access to your minor apps.
Monitor 2 & 3 - Work
Premier, Photoshop spanned over 2 monitors. One monitor will hold the content and one will hold the toolbars and other floating windows. When you switch when your cursor is in monitor 2 or 3 you will switch them together.
I would think that it would be a simple matter of shift-clicking some monitors inside of the arrangement tab in System Preferences. Obviously, after you group monitor 2-3 any apps you put on monitor 2-3 will switch their desktops together.
I think this grouping idea is the best of both worlds.
He is definitely in the minority using multiple monitors to create a single bigger display opposed to a traditional multiple monitor set up which has a very different workflow. I imagine that he would like the full screen option to fill all the screens to be consistent with the rest of his large single display approach? Perhaps once Mavericks is out of beta there will be also be a option to indicate you want to use all monitors like one large display to keep the behavior of the older systems when arranged in that manner.
Yeah, that seems the logical thing that should happen.
To people who want the best of both worlds (having the OPTION to do things differently as and when needed), I shouldn't worry, as if Apple don't add the option(s) needed, then a third-party app will surface from somewhere.
I'll just be a shame if Apple don't fix the issue once and for all natively, given it should really have all been option-able in Mountain Lion.
The real problem is that there isn't a clear solution to your problem that fits within the parameters of Apple's UX requirements.
Either all the spaces coordinate to make one large space as in ML or they are all independent as in Mavericks. Mixing and matching these concepts is not what Apple does in terms of UX. If you have an idea to cleanly implement what you want, I'd love to hear it.
But here's a simple case that makes the mixing and matching challenging. You like the ML setup except for taking apps full-screen kills the other monitors. What you really want is for full-screen to operate in-place while the other monitors are unchanged. However, what if you have two different apps open on the same monitor and take one full-screen. There is no way that can be done in-place without impacting the other windows open on that screen. Alternatively, it could be possible to populate the other monitors when an app is taken full-screen. Yet, how do you implement this cleanly?
In short, it's a UX nightmare if you want to mix and match concepts. The two options they provide meets the demands of almost all users most of the time. In fact, in your use-case, the ability to take apps full-screen seems quite minor. I can't imagine that the ML standard for spaces is much of an issue for you.
So as long as Apple provides both options to users, the vast majority of users are covered. What remains is a small minority who want to be able to configure things in a very particular way that meets their needs exactly. But Apple has always emphasized simplicity above all else and they've never strived to meet the demands of those who really want to tinker with the UX. The best you can hope for is some 3rd party software that will meet your demands.
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I don't mind not being able to single windows of an app across two monitors but what I do regularly is have the main window of and app on the main screen and all the tool palettes and inspectors on the secondary screen.
Or word processing I have the document I am writing in the main window and another documents with references or quotes or something in the secondary window.
Please tell me I can still do those (especially the first one)
@ those making fun of the video: did you even watch it ?
I perfectly understand that it is useful that all 6 spaces change at the same time, changing them all separately takes too much time.
Obviously in Mavericks you can't extend an app on several screens
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I perfectly understand that it is useful that all 6 spaces change at the same time, changing them all separately takes too much time.
Obviously in Mavericks you can't extend an app on several screens
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