I needed a laptop badly so I broke down and bought a 15" today. I might cut my losses and upgrade to the Skylake (or the 7th gen) MBP 15" next year.
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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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I bought the base 256/16 model with the iGPU. $1849 from bhphotovideo I think?
The Dell 5K display is selling at $2K. Meanwhile apple sells a 27-inch iMac that is a 5K display and a entire computer for $1799.00
The new 45W CPUs just appeared on ARK
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/88392/6th-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors#@Mobile
http://ark.intel.com/products/family/88392/6th-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors#@Mobile
IMHO, I think there's a redesign in the making. The chips for the 13" have been released for months now and Apple could have silently updated it, but they didn't. Doesn't make much sense if there's no redesign since everyday they will be losing money and potentially customers to say Dell. I know I'm tempted.
Nice find! And they are officially "Launched" now. I still believe in March. Don't take it away from me.
Come on Iris Pro 580 and TB3. Come on Apple... >=/http://ark.intel.com/products/family/88210/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-v5-Family#@Mobile
And the mobile Xeon processors with Iris Pro P580 mobile are on there now too.
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I could give a hoot about a redesign I was only speaking to the delay with processors. We have no idea what the back channel discussions are between Intel and Apple. What we do know is that Intels delays directly affect Apple's upgrade schedule. Could Apple have released a Broadwell 15" back in May. Sure and may be we can sit here and blame them for that. But they may also have been under the impression from Intel at that time that Skylake would be ready perhaps by fall. All we can do is speculate. If they did two upgrades that close together then we would all be here bitching that we got burned by the upgrade cycle.
My point was simply that many people here seemingly think Apple is sitting on their hands holding Skylake upgrades back just to screw with people. That's simply isn't the case. The source of the delay is Intel and that's pretty well documented industry wide.
Way back on page 13 of this thread- https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/waiting-for-skylake-mbp-thread.1661246/page-13#post-21360536
And another thread on a leaked Intel road map- https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/leaked-skylake-roadmap-suggests-september-release.1885517/
My point was simply that many people here seemingly think Apple is sitting on their hands holding Skylake upgrades back just to screw with people. That's simply isn't the case. The source of the delay is Intel and that's pretty well documented industry wide.
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Way back on page 13 of this thread- https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/waiting-for-skylake-mbp-thread.1661246/page-13#post-21360536
And another thread on a leaked Intel road map- https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/leaked-skylake-roadmap-suggests-september-release.1885517/
With this CPU availability both 13" and 15" MBP will be announced in March. If not, Apple will risk to loose reputation and market share.
True, apple stock prices were pretty much bombed recently. It will get worse if don't release something new in the next months
Depends on how they play it. You could just have a CPU update and do a refresh in the fall (October or so). But I'm glad to know I was wrong about consumer grade CPUs not having Iris Pro. That said, this means they're released. We have no idea what yields/inventory is like. So a June or later refresh could still be in the cards, as well as Apple holding back until after WWDC.
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Is that Iris 580? Does anyone know how this compares to recent dGPUs in the MBP line?
Yes, marketing tactics at Apple are somewhat unpredictable. Still possible (unfortunately we have experienced this in recent years) that they will come up in March with a boring IPad Air 3 (IPad Pro Mini), an iPhone 5SE (iPhone 6s Mini) and further Apple Watch Bands + CPU upgrades for their current MPB line. However this will block them from cashing in big time with a complete redesign of their MBPs at WWDC only three month later, without the selling point of an additional performance boost in comparison to the March upgrade....
Yeah but what exactly is inhibiting them from introducing a redesign in the March event? We don't usually know squat about Macs releases until they happen except for a few cases. The CPUs are out and I'm sure they have been working on a redesign for years now, it's not like they are finalizing the models just now.
CPU inventory, uncertainty about what ports to include. Whether to drop Magsafe or offer a successor. Dedicated GPU or no (and if so which one, etc...). There are plenty of issues they could be hung up on. If it was so easy, I bet we'd have a refreshed MBP by now.
These are things WE are thinking about because WE are not developing it. Again, Apple is familiar with what Intel is going to release. We wouldn't have a refreshed MBP now because there is no event to hold such a refresh if we are talking about changing ports (I.e. Redesign).
I'm hopeful. Maybe delusional, but hopeful for March.
hot damn guys this is it! Let us line up one by one to get on Intel's ARK (See what I did there?) as Phil Schiller leads us aboard to Skylake.
And yes I just did say Schiller will intro the SkyBook Pro.
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And yes I just did say Schiller will intro the SkyBook Pro.
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Enjoy man its not a bad machine. That SSD is stupid fast.
Wait a second, does Skylake only support HDMI 1.4 and not 2.0a? Does this mean that if you want 4K @ 60fps with HDR you'll need a Thunderbolt 3 to HDMI 2.0a adapter?
I'm not able to pack up a 5k iMac into my messenger bag...
Yes, what's with that? No question the iMac is great value. But I doubt they sell many at all at $1,799. Whenever I price one out for fun, it's more like $3k.
According to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)#Architecture
You need the Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt controller in order to support HDMI 2.0.
To summarize: all the CPUs that might end up in new 13" RMBPs http://ark.intel.com/compare/91166,91164,91167 and 15" http://ark.intel.com/compare/93341,93340,93336,93358,93359,93354 (first three are exact counterparts for current generation, other three are their possible approximate Xeon counterparts - this is the first generation to have mobile Xeons).
And current generation - 13" http://ark.intel.com/compare/84985,84988,84993, 15" http://ark.intel.com/compare/83505,83504,83503.
And side by side (current, new, current, new, current, new) - 13" http://ark.intel.com/compare/84985,91166,84988,91164,84993,91167, 15" http://ark.intel.com/compare/83505,93341,83504,93340,83503,93336,93358,93359,93354.
P. S. All the CPUs are Launched as per ark.intel.com except i7 for 13" which is only Announced :/ i. e. 13" is delaying us at the moment.
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And current generation - 13" http://ark.intel.com/compare/84985,84988,84993, 15" http://ark.intel.com/compare/83505,83504,83503.
And side by side (current, new, current, new, current, new) - 13" http://ark.intel.com/compare/84985,91166,84988,91164,84993,91167, 15" http://ark.intel.com/compare/83505,93341,83504,93340,83503,93336,93358,93359,93354.
P. S. All the CPUs are Launched as per ark.intel.com except i7 for 13" which is only Announced :/ i. e. 13" is delaying us at the moment.
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This is not the point. The point is Dell 5K display costs $2000 alone, while iMac 5K costs $1799 including CPU for $200, RAM for $40, HDD for $40, GPU for $150, Magic Mouse 2 for $79, Magic Keyboard for $99, logic board for at least $100 I think i. e. iMac 5K display costs approx. $1100. And it was introduced a year and a half ago. To remind, Apple Thunderbolt Display costs $999 at the moment. I. e. it's quite likely for Apple to make a discount for outdated ATD (let's say $799-899) and introduce 5K ATD for $999-1199 (if they insert decent eGPU in it it should cost several hundred more).
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Very suspect that these chips arrived on ARK in Launch status. Why keep it under wraps and skip the announce phase? Granted, we and a very select few nerds are the only ones who are geeking out about this, but still, since these are BGA parts, what advantage is it to post to ARK before availability. Perhaps the yields are good enough to take the wraps off.
All keep in mind, Macbook USB-C was introduced on March 9 but didn't ship until April 10. There's a possibility of this happening as well.
All keep in mind, Macbook USB-C was introduced on March 9 but didn't ship until April 10. There's a possibility of this happening as well.
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I really agree with Killawat, I like their input on a lot of different of their posts. Also my MBPr 13" 2013 I thought was stupid fast at 700 and 600 read and write speeds but man the 2015 one is double as fast. I wonder what the 2016 MBPr's will have. I hope that it is at least 2.5gb/s read and 2.0gb/s write. I'll be a really happy man.
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