When will the next iMac be out?

[Hellhammer]

Help me, how much does a mobility radeon hd 5850 cost? you know apple uses only sub or 150 $ gpu..

I couldn't find any info as mobile GPUs are OEM so prices aren't public. Could be cheaper then 4850 as it's based on worse chip

Don't fortet OpenCL. Rumors has it that you need Randeon 5xxx to get full support. I am now waiting for upgraded graphics in either the Mac Pro or iMac.

I think as long as the card support OpenCL and has drivers that supports it, it can take the full advantage. OpenCL is still pretty underground, not very popular though it has potential

 

[persolo]

To my understanding OpenCL is very much in use by Aperture 3. This is largely why the CPU is not the cause of the biggest performance issues there. As an Aperture user I would welcome a better GPU.

 

[peakchua]

so would apple use the radeon hd 5870 mobility for the high end imac? I totaly expect the 330m to be introduced though it could be the 320m (the imac did not come with the 9600m gt) maybe the 4870 mobility or 4860 mobility for the imac ? :O :O:O

 

[peakchua]

I couldn't find any info as mobile GPUs are OEM so prices aren't public. Could be cheaper then 4850 as it's based on worse chip


Is the radeon hd 5870 a better chip? notebookcheck says that the 5870 has a TDP of 50 (4850 around there) and also has a performance around the 5750-5770 desktop version in this case, the 5750 is a better card than the 4850 but the 5770 and the 4870 are tied (with the 4870 with slight edge)

 

[Hellhammer]

Is the radeon hd 5870 a better chip? notebookcheck says that the 5870 has a TDP of 50 (4850 around there) and also has a performance around the 5750-5770 desktop version in this case, the 5750 is a better card than the 4850 but the 5770 and the 4870 are tied (with the 4870 with slight edge)

5870 is better than 4850. It's based on desktop 57xx just like all mobile 58xxs. The desktop 5750 could find it's way but it would be same as mobile 5870 in the end.

 

[ftfaria]

5870 is better than 4850. It's based on desktop 57xx just like all mobile 58xxs. The desktop 5750 could find it's way but it would be same as mobile 5870 in the end.

What do you believe it will happen? Maybe the 5870?

 

[TMRaven]

Desktop 5750 has 10 more gb/s memory bandwidth compared to mobility 5870 thanks to higher clocks.

If apple does underclock the desktop 5750 some, then it will most likely just be a mobility 5870 that costs less, but hopefully that won't happen!

 

[Hellhammer]

What do you believe it will happen? Maybe the 5870?

I say a GPU which is based on Juniper i.e. desktop 57xx or mobile 58xx

Desktop 5750 has 10 more gb/s memory bandwidth compared to mobility 5870 thanks to higher clocks.

If apple does underclock the desktop 5750 some, then it will most likely just be a mobility 5870 that costs less, but hopefully that won't happen!

ATI 5750 is 86W card while 4850 is 65W. AFAIK, the GPUs in iMac doesn't have their own fan so I wouldn't count on desktop 5750 with default clocks. Underclocked version would still be an improvement and it can be overclocked and Boot Camp

 

[peakchua]

Question

Hey,
1 question. If apple puts the 5870 inside, then won't it have to tell the world it uses mobility gpus

 

[peakchua]

lower end models :O

what about the lower end models, what gpus will they have? its obvious the 320m or the 4670 has the 21.5 inch but i could be wrong :O maybe a mobility 4750 in an 21.5 inch imac? what about 4850 in low end imac.. and then the ultimate 5870 in the high end one? anyone thinks differently?

 

[Hellhammer]

Hey,
1 question. If apple puts the 5870 inside, then won't it have to tell the world it uses mobility gpus

They never state them as mobile

what about the lower end models, what gpus will they have? its obvious the 320m or the 4670 has the 21.5 inch but i could be wrong :O maybe a mobility 4750 in an 21.5 inch imac? what about 4850 in low end imac.. and then the ultimate 5870 in the high end one? anyone thinks differently?

Either 320M + C2D in low-end or ATI 54xx + i3. Then 56xx or 57xx in medium. Of course if Apple uses nVidia, the situation is different but if they use ATI that's very likely

 

[peakchua]

`gt?

maybe the 4850 would still be in the line... but not maxed. i would think low end offerings would be nvidia 330m and dual core i7/i5, the next 21.5 the same but better gpu maybe radeon 4830/4860 low end then 4850 then 5870? i was thinking why apple took out the 2600 pro, gt 130 and 120 infavor of the sucky 9400m. 4670 should be lowest offering by now not a stupid m graphics. my compuyter im using now is nvidia 9400m and i hate the performance!!! );

 

[peakchua]

They never state them as mobile



Either 320M + C2D in low-end or ATI 54xx + i3. Then 56xx or 57xx in medium. Of course if Apple uses nVidia, the situation is different but if they use ATI that's very likely

what about intel hd graphics since the notebook dual core processors they may use will include them?? or maybe no since intel will allow ati chips??

 

[peakchua]

Lineup

ok so here is what i think for the next lineup

21.5
nvidia geforce gt 320/320m with 256/512mb of gddr3 memory
2.66 ghz intel core i7 or higher clocked desktop i5s (3ghz)
4gb memory

21.5
ati radeon hd 5650 or 5750 mobility (upgrade)
same mobility i7s or higher clocked i5s,
4gb memory

27
ati radeon hd 5770 mobility
intel core i5 (quad)
4gb of memory

27
ati radeon hd 5870 mobility
intel core i7 (3 ghz?)
4gb memory

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

So you're telling us that they're going to put i7's into a case of that size? The whole reason they made a 27" iMac was so there was enough room to dissipate heat from these chips. The laws of nature aren't going to be denied - were just not going to see anything more powerful than an i5-Duo like in the MBP's on the 21.5" models.

Plus you're forgetting how the specs tier up. Apple purposefully impose a big spec difference across the computers to encourage people to spend more if they need performance gains. The 21.5"'s will have an NVIDIA 320 and an upgraded ATi graphics chipset respectively, while I imagine that the CPU's will have an upgrade option to i5's only - purely because the C2D's are perfectly acceptable at the moment, and for the lower price tier, it would detract buyers from the more expensive models.

If Apple really put their minds to it, they could go back to how they used to be in the late 90's and have a small paradigm for faster updated products, and in this day and age, they would be out of this world. But since they've become a 'mobile devices' company (thanks Steve), OSX has really taken a back seat

 

[MathijsDelva]

ok so here is what i think for the next lineup

21.5
nvidia geforce gt 320/320m with 256/512mb of gddr3 memory
2.66 ghz intel core i7 or higher clocked desktop i5s (3ghz)
4gb memory

21.5
ati radeon hd 5650 or 5750 mobility (upgrade)
same mobility i7s or higher clocked i5s,
4gb memory

27
ati radeon hd 5770 mobility
intel core i5 (quad)
4gb of memory

27
ati radeon hd 5870 mobility
intel core i7 (3 ghz?)
4gb memory

Uhmm.. No. That lineup doesn't make any sense. This is what probably will happen:

21.5
nvidia geforce gt 320/320m with 256/512mb of gddr3 memory
C2D 3.33
4gb memory

21.5
ati radeon hd 5650 or 5750 mobility (upgrade)
i3/i5
4gb memory

27
ati radeon hd 5650 or 5750 mobility (upgrade)
intel core i5 or i5 quad as an upgrade
4gb of memory

27
ati radeon hd 5870 mobility
intel core i5 or i7 as an upgrade
4gb memory

 

[peakchua]

So you're telling us that they're going to put i7's into a case of that size? The whole reason they made a 27" iMac was so there was enough room to dissipate heat from these chips. The laws of nature aren't going to be denied - were just not going to see anything more powerful than an i5-Duo like in the MBP's on the 21.5" models.

Plus you're forgetting how the specs tier up. Apple purposefully impose a big spec difference across the computers to encourage people to spend more if they need performance gains. The 21.5"'s will have an NVIDIA 320 and an upgraded ATi graphics chipset respectively, while I imagine that the CPU's will have an upgrade option to i5's only - purely because the C2D's are perfectly acceptable at the moment, and for the lower price tier, it would detract buyers from the more expensive models.

If Apple really put their minds to it, they could go back to how they used to be in the late 90's and have a small paradigm for faster updated products, and in this day and age, they would be out of this world. But since they've become a 'mobile devices' company (thanks Steve), OSX has really taken a back seat

i agree with you but dual core i7s are possible on the hi end 21.5 as their tdp is about the same as the 3.33 c2d (the other spec one that the other writer wrote was more accurate, mine was a funny guess ) and when i mean higher clocked desktop i5s on a 21.5 i mean dual core the c2d in the imac now is desktop not mobility.. early o9 was laptop mobility

 

[peakchua]

Uhmm.. No. That lineup doesn't make any sense. This is what probably will happen:


21.5
ati radeon hd 5650 or 5750 mobility (upgrade)
i3/i5
4gb memory


27
ati radeon hd 5870 mobility
intel core i5 or i7 as an upgrade
4gb memory

21.5: i would like to say that i3's have very little performance boosts over the c2d. i would think a mobility i5 is more viable for the imac as it has more performance in which apple will want to give 2x advantage etc. benchmarks on their site. btw how much improvement does the 5650 have over the 4670?

27 inch: due to limited choices of quad core i5s, only a 2.5 ghz and a 2.66 ghz (current) i would like to think the 2.8 ghz i7 used now will be standard. i also hope that apple doesent do what it did in early 09, to make the high end not have the highest end graphics (gt 130 have to upgrade to 4850) if apple hs really good relations with intel (not so currently,) then maybe a quad i5 would and could be in the lower 27 but since apple is vs intel as intel is vs nvidia, it could change. im worried about the i7 line though. the tdp of the 3 ghz 900 series is very high, about 135 tdp. my suggestion to apple, dont rely on size to cool components! i wouldnt mind a little more thickness and a few more lines (heat sinks) on the back or the same enlarged one that they used in the first alu imacs right until now.. maybe 2 heatsinks on the left and right? i feel that apple needs to develop if it wants to quad core things. with the imac, it has to develop one that is good. it should stay as cool as the mac pro can

 

[peakchua]

?

i would like to ask the thread a question.

if a 3.6 ghz dual core i5 is pitted against a 2.8 ghz quad core i7 which one would win? the i7 can only go to 3.46 ghz. i know its not about the clock speed but still 200mhz above is quite alot

 

[silkod]

would it be possible that a 21,5" review includes video input??

that's the reason why i'm waiting...27" would be too big for me, and i need to save one screen in my desktop.

 

[MathijsDelva]

Good question silkod! I'd like to know that too.. It would be great to be able to connect my MacBook to my future 21.5".

 

[Hellhammer]

ok so here is what i think for the next lineup

21.5
nvidia geforce gt 320/320m with 256/512mb of gddr3 memory
2.66 ghz intel core i7 or higher clocked desktop i5s (3ghz)
4gb memory

21.5
ati radeon hd 5650 or 5750 mobility (upgrade)
same mobility i7s or higher clocked i5s,
4gb memory

27
ati radeon hd 5770 mobility
intel core i5 (quad)
4gb of memory

27
ati radeon hd 5870 mobility
intel core i7 (3 ghz?)
4gb memory

Not possible. You can't use iX chip with integrated GPU. My guess:

21.5" - 1099$
Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz (option for 3.33GHz)
NVidia 320M
4GB RAM

21.5" - 1399$
Intel Core i3 3.06GHz (option for 3.33GHz i5)
ATI 5750
4GB RAM

27" - 1599$
Intel Core i5 3.33GHz (option for 2.66GHz and 2.8GHz quad)
ATI 5750 (option for 5850)
4GB RAM

27" - 1899$
Intel Core i5 2.66GHz (option for 2.8GHz quad)
ATI 5850
4GB RAM

The 5850 might be underclocked desktop 5750 or something

 

[peakchua]

Not possible. You can't use iX chip with integrated GPU. My guess:

21.5" - 1099$
Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06GHz (option for 3.33GHz)
NVidia 320M
4GB RAM

21.5" - 1399$
Intel Core i3 3.06GHz (option for 3.33GHz i5)
ATI 5750
4GB RAM

27" - 1599$
Intel Core i5 3.33GHz (option for 2.66GHz and 2.8GHz quad)
ATI 5750 (option for 5850)
4GB RAM

27" - 1899$
Intel Core i5 2.66GHz (option for 2.8GHz quad)
ATI 5850
4GB RAM

The 5850 might be underclocked desktop 5750 or something

21.5 inch
i dont think apple will reduce prices that much.. but i could be wrong and they could bring speed bumps since they have to improve stuf. for the high end an i3 vs macbook pros i5 would just kill it and the i3 has intel hd graphics in which we all hate . 3.06 ghz i5 dual core dektop will be fine for the high end 21.5

27.
for the low end one, i5 yeah but could epgrade to the best quad core i5 (2.66 ghz look on intels site) on the high end ones, i would say they put i7 as standard because of intel/pricing etc. the highest quad core i7 with 95w tdp is a 2.93 ghz i5.

in general i would rule out the i3, no one uses them. i5 dual cores should be the main processors. i7 quad also could take the show as standard. again i still think apple is going to have to sooner or laster make a cooling system. its unaviodable to innovate that for todays technologies

 

[Hellhammer]

21.5 inch
i dont think apple will reduce prices that much.. but i could be wrong and they could bring speed bumps since they have to improve stuf. for the high end an i3 vs macbook pros i5 would just kill it and the i3 has intel hd graphics in which we all hate . 3.06 ghz i5 dual core dektop will be fine for the high end 21.5

That would only be 100$ decrease and that's just my guess. Dual core i5 is only 20$ less than quad core and there is no 3.06GHz i5, they start from 3.2GHz.

27.
for the low end one, i5 yeah but could epgrade to the best quad core i5 (2.66 ghz look on intels site) on the high end ones, i would say they put i7 as standard because of intel/pricing etc. the highest quad core i7 with 95w tdp is a 2.93 ghz i5.

i7 is 100$ more than quad i5, that's why I think they'll keep i7 as BTO, but of course, just my opinion. Clarkdale is very capable chip so that's why I wouldn't like to see it ruled out.

in general i would rule out the i3, no one uses them. i5 dual cores should be the main processors. i7 quad also could take the show as standard. again i still think apple is going to have to sooner or laster make a cooling system. its unaviodable to innovate that for todays technologies

i5s are too expensive to be used as standards. i3 is still faster than C2Ds.

 

[peakchua]

That would only be 100$ decrease and that's just my guess. Dual core i5 is only 20$ less than quad core and there is no 3.06GHz i5, they start from 3.2GHz.

they should make i5 dual core standard or 3.33 c2d but i would like to think (like) that apple wants to transition from core to nehalem and from 9400m to ultimatness


i7 is 100$ more than quad i5, that's why I think they'll keep i7 as BTO, but of course, just my opinion. Clarkdale is very capable chip so that's why I wouldn't like to see it ruled out.
quad i5s have been already used this time. i think that i7's will become standard because its a speed bump but wait, theres no speed bump for a quad i5...



i5s are too expensive to be used as standards. i3 is still faster than C2Ds.

i still think i5s should be used as c2d 3.06 is 186$ i5 3.2 is 167$ whic means that if apple <3 with intel it could discount (as oems do) and provide cheaper chips.