tatonka
macrumors 6502
Even if the image quality is crisp, the UI design, layout and size of the elements will be wrong for such a large screen.
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Even if the image quality is crisp, the UI design, layout and size of the elements will be wrong for such a large screen.
T.
gorskiegangsta
macrumors 65816
I, along with many others, want to use those apps because in most cases they offer a much better experience than the corresponding websites. Android users like to dismiss lack of quality tablet apps as "not essential" and "not a big deal", yet they salivate every time a major app is released for Android tablets. This shows that they do actually care, and with good reason. OEMs need to push software development through partnerships with major app developers so that every new "flagship" Android tablet comes out with an optimized "killer" new app. Android has grown a whole lot, to become a thing of its own, rather than merely an iOS wannabe. Let's hope the software follows suit.
gorskiegangsta
macrumors 65816
It's not about the crispness of images - it's about the quality of the interface.
Here's an example:
"ESPN Score Center" android app (phone interface scaled up to a tablet-sized display)
"ESPN Score Center" iPad app (made especially, and optimized for, iPad)
Are you saying that users choose the iPad over an Android slate mostly because it has an aluminum slate?
If that's the point, I'm not bothering to continue this discussion.
One of the many reasons, yes. However, not the point. The point is that the iPad is far more usable then Android devices. So, when someone says that the Android device is far more usable because it has a rubber back, I take issue...but it seems like the original poster of that statement reorganized his position to something that I agree with (essentially saying that even though he would want a rubber back on a tablet he still finds the iPad's software to be more usable than Android).
That's all. However I get the sense from your post that you are not someone up for rational discussion. Oh, well...I tried.
linux2mac
macrumors 65816
Which is why iPad owns the tablet market hands down. The competition just doesn't get it and may never get it.
jsw
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It's a good representation of how much a device is used... to browse the web.
Since the major selling point for the iPad is the App Store, it seems ironic to say that the best metric for device use is the built-in Safari app, because it leaves one open to the argument that Android users do things other than web-surfing.
I'm not saying that's the case, but web traffic isn't the best metric for use/usability.
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Then you must take issue with me, since, having had an iPad since the first days, the aluminum back is one of the things I hate most about it. I prefer the rubberized backs, because they let you actually hold the tablet more easily, and a tablet which is more easily held is a better tablet. To argue that the iPad is as usable once you add a case means that it's less usable without one.
There are many advantages to aluminum, but ease of gripping it is not one of them, and since tablets are by nature meant to be held, it's a shortcoming.
I still prefer the iPad in the larger size, but it's not in any way because of the slippery aluminum back.
chrisbru
macrumors 6502a
But it's comparing web usage for iOS vs. web usage for Android. So in a direct comparison, it shows that iOS is more usable than Android by examining one specific capability for both systems. It is logically extended that other capabilities (apps, music, etc.) are utilized at a similar rate. It is unlikely that iPad users spend all of their time on the device browsing Safari, while Android users eschew browsers completely and only use apps.
However, I agree that there are probably other metrics that would be more useful... I'm just not sure how easy it would be to figure those out. Maybe looking at time spent using apps like Twitter, Facebook, ESPN, Kindle, etc. on iOS vs. Android?
jsw
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Agreed, but you and I both know it's a marketing term, and Apple's own marketing has been what has led people to assume higher resolution is better. Apple is very fond of promoting specs when they can (albeit coated in marketing with terms like Retina and, years ago, "world's first desktop supercomputer").
I don't have any issue with how Apple markets itself (as the plethora of Apple products around me would prove), but they are always keen on specs when they are winning them.
I agree to a large extent with that, but my point was that going to half-resolutions (each 'pixel' is 4 pixels, 2x2), you can show higher half-def resolutions, and for a lot of things Retina, the full Retina resolution is too much (virtual desktops, say), but the half seems a bit too little. A higher native resolution allows for a better half-def experience.
What on earth are you talking about? Changing background images? Alert sounds? That's what my technically challenged girlfriend would call customizing.
What about having your calendar + weather forecast on your lockscreen with automatic updates and having your cell phone switching on WiFi when you are at the vicinity of your home and switching if off when you leave. Automatic keyboard and locale setting switch based on the current program you're using. Adding quick switches for system settings on your home screen or lock screen. And so on and so forth.
Background images, jeez...
This is awesome, I heard this almost every new Android version coming out since 2.3.
How many devices on 4.1 JB? only 2.7% before 4.2 coming out, pathetic.
roxxette
macrumors 68000
Theres no such thing like 4.1 JB
Oletros
macrumors 603
The strange thing would be that new versions are LESS stable
Well, you're a high quality controller.
Unfortunately, my mother, grandparents and 9 year old brother are not as skilled as you. They are not able to do a background check. For them, frankly anything 3 or more stars with a nice name or app picture = good.
I'd like to be reassured that they are not paying for useless apps or even worse, ones that have the ability to be accidentally approved to access a dangerous amount of personal information.
So they're all getting iPad/iPad minis for gifts.
theineffablebob
macrumors regular
To be fair, he did have like 15 tabs open and The Verge is a really terribly optimized site. It scrolls so poorly on the retina Macbook Pro.
jsw
Moderator emeritus
Surely you've followed enough stories about rogue/misleading iOS apps to know that Apple isn't always able to ensure such things don't occur.
As far as paying fur useless apps: Google Play at least allows a refund within 15 minutes, which, while limited, is better than the 0 minutes Apple gives you.
That said, for your mother, grandparents, and probably brother, the iPad and iOS are clearly better choices.
jsw
Moderator emeritus
We'll just have to disagree.
I also think iOS is more usable to the average person, based on using both current OS versions. However, the web metric only shows that iOS devices spend more time surfing pages. It implies that the browser experience is better, but it might just mean that the types who buy iOS devices are more inclined to surf, and the types who buy Android devices are less so.
More likely, it's due to the fact that most Android devices are running ancient versions of the OS. With the Nexus 10, you're looking at the state-of-the-art Android OS. This points to a major weakness of Android - the fractured landscape - but it doesn't point to a weakness with Jelly Bean 4.x and the Nexus 10. If most iOS users were on iOS 2 or iOS 4, there'd be similar issues.
Further, while I also personally agree that iOS apps tend to be better, the web surfing metrics absolutely do not prove that other apps are better.
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If so, I think it's must be new, per-developer, or via effort. On Play, you just click to get a refund, and after 15 minutes, the option goes away.
If it's readily available in iOS 6, I've missed it and will look for it.
jsw
Moderator emeritus
It's nice that it's at least possible.
That said, you're a lot more likely to return an app on Play, given how easy it is, but on the flip side you're a lot more likely to try it, given how easy it is to return it if you don't like it. I wish Apple would adopt a similar policy.
osofast240sx
macrumors 68030
riding the NYC subway system I notice most people with e-readers have some sort of case. Seems like people tend to buy cases for most portable electronics.
xofruitcake
macrumors 6502a
Yes, that is the reason that Samsung doesn't release sales numbers, because they are bad
When there is an increase month after month, using the shipped argument is stupid.
And, I repeat, Apple also doen't release end sales, they release shipped units
Carriers only pay for Apple phones, they don't pay for Samsung or LG phones? Really?
I take it you never look at Apple earning report? This is Apple 2012 10K (annual report). In P30, they reported the actual unit sold in 2010, 2011, 2012 and the yoy change.
In Samsung case, they never disclose any of the smartphone sales number in a consistent level. They release them when they see fit.
How can you tell S3 sales increase from month to month? Samsung lower their S3 sales expectation for remainder of 2012 because of Iphone 5 launch.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/320193/000119312512444068/d411355d10k.htm
iPod unit sales 35,165 (17 )% 42,620 (15 )% 50,312
iPhone units sold 125,046 73 % 72,293 81 % 39,989
iPad units sold 58,310 80 % 32,394 334 % 7,458
http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/09/17/samsung-galaxy-s4-leak-iphone-5/
Indeed, to that point Samsung has lowered its sales expectation for the Galaxy S3. Despite selling 20 million devices within three months, it anticipates a further 10 million phones will be sold worldwide during the remainder of 2012. Thats despite the Christmas season on the horizon, and it could be interpreted as an acknowledgement of the huge appeal of the iPhone 5; its chief competitor.
MacDav
macrumors 65816
We need to clarify the "IF". Can Apple lose it's fan base over time? Of course.
Will it happen overnight? Hardly. Will Apple lose some of it's phone and tablet market? Of course. The tablet market is expanding exponentially so even if they have a smaller piece of the pie the actual size of the pie is much larger. So even a smaller piece of the pie will still be larger than the bigger piece of the smaller pie they used to have. Make sense?