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I switched about 1 month ago and while I am impressed with the laptop as a whole, the operating system is not better than windows 7 IMO. My opinion might change with time, but overall i'm a little disappointed.
 
I've been windows only and an apple hater since 1997 and just bought my first macbook pro 3 weeks ago. I really liked the 13" rMBP so decided to pick one up at BB because I have until 15th Jan to decide if I really like it or not.

My thought so far -

I love it! Never have I experienced the joy of using a computer like I have with this laptop. I smile each time I open it up, I kid you not.

So far I love how when I open the laptop it's ready to use, no delay. Also it's silent (mostly) in everyday use.
The interface is very simple and straightforward and I don't feel bogged down worrying about other processes like I did on a windows machine.

However, I have had more issues with this macbook than on most windows machines. The first hour of use Safari froze and had to be restarted. I had the dock disappear and I had to restart to bring it back. When using chrome with just a few tabs open and watching a video the machine became super hot and the fan came on loudly (first and only time i've heard it).

Despite the issues, I really love this laptop and enjoy using it more than a windows machine.

I'm still not sure if to keep it though. I have large collections of digital media and find OSX is not as efficient at managing it as win7/8. I just prefer the windows file system for managing lots of files.

As already suggested, pick one up for a 'trial' and see how you go. You have 2 weeks or so at most retailers and you can't really know how you will like it until you start using it day to day. Good Luck!
 
I am a programmer and work 99% of the time on Windows. My first mac was a mid 2010 17 inch mbp with 512gb SSD. The hardware is unbelievable and the machine is still as fast as on day one. Next laptop is definitely another maxed out MBP. Totally love the instant wake from sleep.
I do loathe Finder. It's unbelievable how bad it is compared to it's Windows counterpart. No way to move files (cut 'n paste), except with the command line. The tabs in Mavericks is an improvement.
I would hate doing any professional C++ development on it because of Finder and lack of pageup/pagedown, but for private use it is perfect: It just works.
 
I didn't come from Windows 8. Think I came over to Mac in 2009?
Anyway, I love my MBP. It's solid and fluid. Nothing like I've used before. Ever since I went to Mac, we got rid of all our PCs. Had about 3-4 of them! Hps and a Dell. Don't think I can ever go back to a PC. However, I am an Android girl now. :D I'm a blogger, not a programmer. I wish I had the brain for it! :D
 
Wow, I use Office a lot for personal stuff; is it really that bad? If so, I may just wait to purchase a MBP until Office for Mac 2014 comes out.

I use Office for Mac every day at work, and have absolutely no issues. For Spreadsheet, Word and Presentation creation it works 100% just fine.

That said, people say its not as feature rich as the Windows version But I personally never run into those handicaps because I'm not using Macro's or any of that stuff.

That Said, if All you do is type a few things and create finance Spreadsheets, I would really check out the iWork Suite. It looks amazing and provides an absolutely simple UI that is easy to love. 95% could get by with its functionality and it has some outragious good templates that will sync to an iPad and iPhone too if you have them
 
I've been a professional PC software developer (mostly database and analytical apps) for more than two decades. Currently we (wife and me) have on our home LAN:

  • (2) PC personal workstations
  • (1) PC digital piano workstation
  • (1) PC file/weather Station server
  • (1) PC personal laptop
  • (1) PC work laptop
And (1) late 2013 13" rMBP...


I picked up my rMBP one week ago. It's the Core i7 2.8Ghz model with 16GB memory and 256GB SSD disk space.

So far I like it. A lot. Overall it's fast and smooth, and pretty easy to use. The UI is consistent and user friendly. Like any new user, I'm still floundering a bit on the more complex things (like mounting a disk to my PC workstation), but most things are fairly straight-forward to figure out.

On the downside, there are two Apple issues - Airport to Airport router bridging and Mac backup...

On the Airport to Airport router bridging, I was hoping for a completely smooth integration into my home LAN environment, but did not get that. And there are still open issues.

Given that my bridged Netgear routers are about three years old and that I needed a good Mac backup, I bought a 2TB Airport Time Capsule and an Airport Extreme. Initial setup of the Airports to replace the Netgear routers, was pretty simple. Getting them bridged via wireless was simple. OTOH, getting them bridged via Ethernet did not and still does not work.

After messing with the Airports for two hours, I called Apple support. After about 20 minutes with Tier 1 support, they handed me over to Tier 2 support. The Tier 2 fellow and I spent two hours on the phone. He was very qualified, but nothing we tried could get Airport to Airport bridging via Ethernet to work. He concluded that the Airport was defective.

Right now I do not have the time to have the Airport Extreme replaced, so it's just running in bridge wireless mode. The problem is that 5Ghz (high speed mode) doesn't work consistently with wireless bridging in my house (it's over 60 feet long with multiple levels and lots of walls in between Airports). And this makes me nervous about backup...

Regarding Mac backup, I'm getting inconsistent feedback about how to backup my Mac. Given that I'm going to develop iOS apps, I need high-quality backup. (My first class in the "iOS & Mac Application Development" program at the University of Washington starts in nine days. The backup issues must be resolved by solved by then.) The Time Capsule looks decent, but I'm not sure if that's the best approach.

Overall, I'm happy with my rMBP and would buy it again, but I wish integration was smoother.

Regards,

Dan.

p.s. We also have (2) iPhones, (2) iPad Mini's, and (1) iPad.
 
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I just prefer the windows file system for managing lots of files.
That's the brain damage one gets from longtime Windows usage ;)
Windows users want to manage files, Mac users manage their content. Ideally, you shouldn't care how or where the system organizes its data.
And that's the ideology behind all Apple suites (iTunes, iPhoto, Aperture, iMovie, FCP, you name it).
 
That's the brain damage one gets from longtime Windows usage ;)
Windows users want to manage files, Mac users manage their content. Ideally, you shouldn't care how or where the system organizes its data.
And that's the ideology behind all Apple suites (iTunes, iPhoto, Aperture, iMovie, FCP, you name it).

this makes no sense. i want to manage files AND content. and i have to agree, finder is terrible at this.
 
That's the brain damage one gets from longtime Windows usage ;)
Windows users want to manage files, Mac users manage their content. Ideally, you shouldn't care how or where the system organizes its data.
And that's the ideology behind all Apple suites (iTunes, iPhoto, Aperture, iMovie, FCP, you name it).

I agree ideally in most cases one shouldn't care where files are located; however, I like certain files in certain places, and I like that Windows provides that capability.

So how do you move files around on a MBP?
 
I got my first modern Mac on the 25th - a rMBP 13" 8GB/256GB - and I'm enjoying it so far. The problems I have are different than what I expected. I expected to have trouble finding software for it since Windows has such a bigger marketshare, but I have found that there's a lot of awesome software available that meets pretty much all of my needs. One thing that I really missed was "Aero Snap" - automatically causing a window to fill up half the screen when you drag it all the way to a side, from Windows 7+. Luckily there's a program called "Cinch" that does just that.

I play some games, and was surprised at how many of my Steam games are available on OS X. I also rely a lot on Office, and so I did install Office on OS X right away, though I tried the iWork software as well. I like Keynote better than PowerPoint but I hate Numbers, and Pages seems much more minimalistic than Word but it suits my needs just fine. iTunes also runs a lot better on OS X than it does on Windows (no surprise, it has always been terrible for me on Windows).

Other than that, I really do like this little laptop in general. OS X is very intuitive for the most part, and the consistency in UI design is so intuitive it's hard to get used to. At this point I expect every program's design, menus, and navigation to be totally different, so I have to keep reminding myself that they're all the same - which is a good problem to have. Build quality-wise it's very nice - possibly a bit nicer than my old HP Envy 17 (before ENVY became the new mainstream HP brand) and there's not a bit of flex in the frame. It feels durable. The screen, of course, is fantastic, as is the track pad. The keyboard is very nice.

Altogether it makes a pretty great little package. I still use Windows and I probably always will, just for the games that are available on it for the most part, but since I got my rMBP I haven't spent any unnecessary time on Windows. It's pretty cliche, but OS X feels much nicer and more refined, and coming from years of iPhone/iPad use it's nice to have a machine with FaceTime and iMessage on it. Several years ago, the last time I looked at getting a MacBook Pro, they seemed much, much more expensive than other comparable machines. Today the price gap seems to have narrowed a lot: $1500 gets a very capable machine for day to day use with exceptional battery life, a top of the line screen, and an excellent keyboard and trackpad. I've been Windows laptop shopping recently, and a decent high resolution Windows laptop will cost at least as much, and won't be able to run both OS's - which I think is ultimately the trump card, since I can run Windows programs flawlessly in Boot Camp. So yes, so far it's all I thought it would be.
 
I switched my personal stuff over about 3 years ago, about a year before I retired. I was still using Windows at work. I had no problem making the change, probably due to experience with a variety of OSes. I also found David Pogue's book, "Switching to the Mac" a great resource.

I use Office for the Mac and have had no real problems. I don't do any macros but I have some large spreadsheets with very complex formulas and pivot tables. Moved it over from Windows with no problem. My main objection to Office is that it wants to download an update all too often.

I love the smooth integration with my iPad and iPhone.

I still use Windows (via Parallels) occasionally but that gets less as time goes on. For almost everything I do, I can find a Mac app to meet my needs. I find it quicker to learn a new Mac app the to fuss around with some bad Windows port or switch back and forth between OS X and Windows.

I started with a used MBP, upgraded the hard drive, upgraded the OS twice, bought a new MBP, migrated everything to it, upgraded its drive to a SSD, and did a couple more OS upgrades, all with zero problems. With Windows I would have had to reinstall the OS at least 3 or 4 times with that scenario.
 
What can be so challenging getting them to work?
PS as for coding - are you aiming at backup or version control or both?

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Why?But why?
Oh why?
For now, just backup. I'll probably sign up to GitHub for version control.

Regarding, "What can be so challenging..." Good question, why is it that Apple Tech support can't get it to work after two hours work? Got any suggestions?

Dan.
 
For now, just backup. I'll probably sign up to GitHub for version control.

Regarding, "What can be so challenging..." Good question, why is it that Apple Tech support can't get it to work after two hours work? Got any suggestions?

Dan.
It's working now. Perfectly.

Apple second tier support gave me bad information. When bridging two Airports using an ethernet cable, you set the second Airport's Network Mode in the Wireless tab to "Create a wireless network" and NOT "Extend a wireless network" (as stated by Apple support).

What is a more frustrating is that this seems like a normal option for people wanting a solid, stable, extended wireless network. I searched the internet several times in several ways and could not find a clear, step by step description of how to do this on the Apple site. I don't understand why. OTOH, I found multiple, partial descriptions for different versions of the Airport Utility - all from users and none from Apple. Anyone got a pointer to an web page on the Apple support site?

I'm happy with the end-result, but this is not an auspicious beginning to my Apple experience.

Regards,

Dan.
 
For those who have switched to MBP recently from Windows 7 or 8.1, is the MBP and OSX all you thought it would be? How is the MBP experience better than your Windows PC.

So overall, is the MBP significantly a better user experience over your Windows computer?

Yes it was, and more. The MBP experience is better than my Windows PC in ease of use and less maintenance/troubleshooting/plumbing to worry about. On the MBP I just think about USING my computer. On Windows I had to think about MAINTAINING my computer in between actually USING it. What Nvidia graphic driver should I use? The newest one for the speed or the half year old one for the stability, etc. Where can I even download the drivers for my Windows computer? The ones on Windows update are like a year old. Oh the new ones are on some ftp site in Taiwan? They're generic so I'm not sure they're for my machine but message forums say they are the latest and greatest? Oh what fun it'll be to test this out! NOT.

Overall the MBP is a significantly better, less headache inducing experience. Such a simple thing as backing up your computer BECOMES a simple thing on the MBP. You turn time machine on. There is no step 2. Try that on Windows 7 or 8. It's ridiculously complicated in comparison. Not to mention restores - you need to burn a restore disk and sometimes will need to burn some USB 3.0 drivers too - since in Windows 7 it didn't come with USB 3.0 drivers. So you gotta format and install that junk just so you can finally restore your backups. It's a system for those who enjoy self pain.
 
I'll throw in my two cents. I'm a former IT guy currently working as a publications/video editor. I grew up building and tinkering with PCs and am a general technology fan.

I currently use both windows and mac at work and at home. I got my first mac in 2010 in order to dip my toes into the FCP pool while studying. There were - and continue to be - a lot of things I love about macs and OSX (particularly with regard to macbooks). There are also things that still drive me crazy about them.

I think a lot of it is old habits and their tendency to die hard but even after a couple years of acclimation there are a handful of idiosyncrasies that really bug me. The file system and general OS navigation has always felt pretty clumsy to me. I've tried a lot of different fixes (smoothMouse is probably the best I've found) but the way a mouse handles in OS X still really sticks in my craw. Watching and working with videos is such a big part of what I do on a computer and it still irritates me that I can't play a lot of files natively without conversion or third party apps.

On the flip side there are plenty of things to love. The gestures and trackpad on macbooks are really outstanding and I haven't used anything on a windows machine that comes close. OS X is more "fun". It just feels cool and the interface is pretty intuitive. If you have iOS devices, there are some cool integration things with macs.

For the most part, everything that's sanctioned in OS X "just works". It's not the best analogy but I feel that Mac is to PC what bowling with bumpers installed is to bowling without them. You will have a lot less frustration and probably more fun. On the other hand, if you've been bowling since you were a kid, you probably won't run into the pitfalls and gutter balls that casual bowlers run into and you can use the whole lane as you see fit. Apple would rather ensure people have a harmonious experience by sort of roping things off and requiring that users operate within their (well designed and thought out) framework where the windows approach is more in line with you can do pretty much whatever you want, but proceed at your own risk and know that you might get mauled by a grizzly bear. Alright, these analogies are getting worse.

The bottom line is that they're both just tools and work just fine. In my experience and personal proclivity, OS X makes a better notebook OS/experience and windows makes a better desktop/command center OS/experience. As others have mentioned, your best bet is to give one a try and see how you like it. Apple has a great return policy on macs so you can try one and if you're not ready to take the plunge, send it back within 14 days, no harm, no foul. If you're looking for a new hobby/project, it could be a fun endeavor for you to take the plunge.

Best of luck.
 
For those who have switched to MBP recently from Windows 7 or 8.1, is the MBP and OSX all you thought it would be? How is the MBP experience better than your Windows PC.
I switched from an old 15" laptop upgraded to Windows 8.1, to a 13" retina MacBook Pro. I do enjoy the rMBP experience but I can't honestly say that it's really any "better" than my Windows experience.
Initially, it was a pretty rough transition - Office for Mac is terrible, and I had to buy and install Parallels just to use the Windows version of Office, for example.

Almost everything you used to do in Windows is different on a Mac. Here are a few examples. In Windows, you can delete something and skip the Recycle Bin simply by holding Shift. There is no equivalent in MacOS (the closest is a two-step process, Cmd+Delete then Cmd-Shift-Option-Delete).
In Windows, if you have a folder with a bunch of photos in it, you can open one photo in Windows Photo Viewer and then use the left and right arrow keys to cycle through all the photos. In MacOS, the closest thing to that is using Quick Look (spacebar) and moving up and down in the Finder window, which for me is a less seamless and more jarring experience. Lots of little things like that. Not necessarily better or worse, just different.

So overall, is the MBP significantly a better user experience over your Windows computer?
I will say this - for individual apps that were designed for the Mac (Lightroom, Safari, etc), the user experience is better. It's also better in general when using one app at a time, full-screen, and swapping between app "experiences" via separate spaces. By contrast, I'll say that Windows is better for multitasking and using multiple apps simultaneously.

So in the end, Mac OS is better at some things and Windows is better at some things. It depends on how you prefer to use a computer, really. On my rMBP I get the best of both worlds with a full Windows 8.1 virtual machine running in Parallels, so I don't really have to choose.
 
Not a recent switcher or anything so can't really add anything that applies in terms of Windows 8 to OS X. I will add that I hated Windows 8 mostly and would never consider going back to PC even if Win 8 was amazing.

I built my last PC at the end of 2009 when the first Core i5 came out and, while I still have the PC, it barely ever gets turned on. My Macs are easier and nicer to use for everyday stuff and more. The user experience is by far more enjoyable yet still gets everything done the same or better.

FYI, seeing as Office has been mentioned, Office for Mac is OK for basic things (word processing etc.) and Excel is often better to use over Numbers (simply because of the monopoly Excel has). It's not at the level it is on Windows but it cuts away a lot of the useless excess Office has in Windows while still being largely familiar. That said, iWork ('09, not '13) is so much better because it maintains the OS X experience. My advice would be to use iWork '09 where you can and then Office where you must (ie. use Office if you need to send the document to a Windows user...then again, I tend to export to PDF from Pages now).
 
I do loathe Finder. It's unbelievable how bad it is compared to it's Windows counterpart. No way to move files (cut 'n paste), except with the command line.

The Mac way to move files is to drag and drop them. Hovering the file over a folder opens the folder so you can move it to folders within the folder.

However, you can cut n' paste using simple keyboard commands, cmd-c to cut and cmd-alt-v to paste. Cmd-v only creates a copy, but using cmd-alt-v moves the file.
 
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I searched the internet several times in several ways and could not find a clear, step by step description of how to do this on the Apple site. I don't understand why. OTOH, I found multiple, partial descriptions for different versions of the Airport Utility - all from users and none from Apple. Anyone got a pointer to an web page on the Apple support site?
Weird. This has been referenced on this forum many times.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4145
When it comes to git, Xcode has full support for both git and svn built in. It will even create a local git repository for you.
 
However, you can cut n' paste using simple keyboard commands, cmd-c to cut and cmd-alt-v to paste. Cmd-v only creates a copy, but using cmd-alt-v moves the file.

I just remembered that you can also do it using a mouse right click (or ctrl-click) and select copy. And to move it you simply right click and press alt (option key) and the "Paste item" changes into "Move item here". Or alternatively you can select these commands from the Edit menu (and press alt to get the "Move item here" command).
 
For those who have switched to MBP recently from Windows 7 or 8.1, is the MBP and OSX all you thought it would be? How is the MBP experience better than your Windows PC.

The reason I ask is I'm trying to justify the expense, and while I can afford a MBP, I just want to try to ensure I won't be disappointed, as Windows 8.1 is really not that bad, albeit the touchpad on my XPS could be better.

So overall, is the MBP significantly a better user experience over your Windows computer?

Thank you

EDIT: I am retired, so this will be for general home use; letters, excel spreadsheets, surfing the web, etc.

I dual boot OSX and windows, so I get the opportunity to use either whenever I like. Personally, I think OSX is the better OS. Also, the built-in apps in OSX are far better than in Windows. Even the third party apps tend to be better in OSX.

However, MS Office is much better in windows. The OSX version is still passable, and both are compatible with each other. For professional work, Pages and any other alternative is insufficient.
 
That's the brain damage one gets from longtime Windows usage ;)
Windows users want to manage files, Mac users manage their content. Ideally, you shouldn't care how or where the system organizes its data.
And that's the ideology behind all Apple suites (iTunes, iPhoto, Aperture, iMovie, FCP, you name it).

Because it is convenient. I have folder with all my education materials from university. Exercises, lectures, audio logs etc. and sometimes I need to organize them. Move file there etc. At these times cut and paste would come in handy, but it isn't there. Instead I'm forced to drag files.

Except for this Finder is actually better. It has far superior viewing options compared to Windows' File Explorer.
 
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