Everybody on here is a smartass

Parkin Pig · Oct 27, 2014

orestes1984 said:
Everybody on here is a smartass

orestes1984 said:
The community here at Macrumors sucks. It's full of zealots, trolls, and smart arses that just want there two cents worth with their click bait and most of them if provoked will abuse the crap out of the notification center here just to make a point.

orestes1984 said:
This place is over run by obnoxious ****s.

This is why you get a warning from the moderators. And very probably why you elicit negative responses from others. Your posts are particularly aggressive and inflammatory.

Whether or not you choose to stay with MacRumors is up to you, but setting up a thread to essentially flip the bird to everyone is not going to endear you to anyone.

My personal experience of MacRumors is very positive. I find it one of the most sociable forums on the internet. If you look around you'll find some very well-informed, helpful, talented and witty people on here.

grahamperrin · Oct 27, 2014

… and quite unexpectedly, a potentially inflammatory subject line has caused a demi-god to cause a citizen of the UK to seek and discover the meaning of 'flip the bird' yet remain puzzled about why the word 'bird' is used in that context, presumably predominantly in the U.S.

… and that may cause a smart-ass reader of this topic to quietly update the Wikipedia page. Possibly with reference to this point in the conversation. To discreetly discover how long it takes for the reference to be audited by Wikipedia. Not that I would ever encourage such an infraction, of course.
… and those are some of the reasons for my growing enjoyment of MacRumors Forums.

grandM · Oct 27, 2014

orestes1984 said:
You logout and leave for a day and I will guarantee you that you will get one smart arsed response or another on a post here and yet if you reply back to it you're generally the one that's sent a warning by a moderator here.

The community here at Macrumors sucks, I don't understand how anyone would put up with this as an active member. I'm obviously not very active, but this place just irks me. It's full of zealots, trolls, and smart arses that just want there two cents worth with their click bait and most of them if provoked will abuse the crap out of the notification center here just to make a point.

I'm pretty much done with this place.

Did I just get insulted?

grahamperrin · Oct 28, 2014

grandM said:
Did I just get insulted?

Emphasising one word (hopefully not out of context) from Parkin Pig's post above: this topic may be perceived as addressing everyone. Certainly there's the word 'everybody' in the subject line so I'll encourage each individual including the opening poster to not take things personally.

Towards defusing things here, let's look at something elsewhere. A few hours ago thanks to Parkin Pig I discovered some, not all, entertaining new meanings to 'bird'. Within minutes of giving (genuine) thanks for that discovery, by coincidence I found myself looking again at highlights recently drawn by me over something beyond the MacRumors domain. There it was, that bird again, but not in a tweet and suddenly I realised why the pun (there, but not highlighted) wasn't particularly funny the first time I had read it. Funny coincidence. At least, I thought it funny.

/me strains through tinnitus to detect the sound of tumbleweed

OMG joking aside for a moment, I just recalled that episode of Family Guy everybody's heard is that what the 1950s song was about?

Parkin Pig · Oct 28, 2014

grahamperrin said:
and quite unexpectedly, a potentially inflammatory subject line has caused a demi-god to cause a citizen of the UK to seek and discover the meaning of 'flip the bird' yet remain puzzled about why the word 'bird' is used in that context, presumably predominantly in the U.S.

and those are some of the reasons for my growing enjoyment of MacRumors Forums.

I too am a UK citizen, but as the MacRumors community is global, I figured more people would understand 'flipping the bird' than 'sticking two fingers up', the latter of which could be dreadfully misconstrued.

Scepticalscribe · Oct 28, 2014

grahamperrin said:
and quite unexpectedly, a potentially inflammatory subject line has caused a demi-god to cause a citizen of the UK to seek and discover the meaning of 'flip the bird' yet remain puzzled about why the word 'bird' is used in that context, presumably predominantly in the U.S.

and that may cause a smart-ass reader of this topic to quietly update the Wikipedia page. Possibly with reference to this point in the conversation. To discreetly discover how long it takes for the reference to be audited by Wikipedia. Not that I would ever encourage such an infraction, of course.
and those are some of the reasons for my growing enjoyment of MacRumors Forums.

grahamperrin said:
Emphasising one word (hopefully not out of context) from Parkin Pig's post above: this topic may be perceived as addressing everyone. Certainly there's the word 'everybody' in the subject line so I'll encourage each individual including the opening poster to not take things personally.

Towards defusing things here, let's look at something elsewhere. A few hours ago thanks to Parkin Pig I discovered some, not all, entertaining new meanings to 'bird'. Within minutes of giving (genuine) thanks for that discovery, by coincidence I found myself looking again at highlights recently drawn by me over something beyond the MacRumors domain. There it was, that bird again, but not in a tweet and suddenly I realised why the pun (there, but not highlighted) wasn't particularly funny the first time I had read it. Funny coincidence. At least, I thought it funny.

/me strains through tinnitus to detect the sound of tumbleweed

OMG joking aside for a moment, I just recalled that episode of Family Guy everybody's heard is that what the 1950s song was about?

Parkin Pig said:
I too am a UK citizen, but as the MacRumors community is global, I figured more people would understand 'flipping the bird' than 'sticking two fingers up', the latter of which could be dreadfully misconstrued.

Fascinating. Actually, the expression "Flip the Bird" is new - also - to me, (and, as it happens, I also hail from the British Isles), so thank you for adding to my knowledge and vocabulary (and I mean that most sincerely). Wonderful - one can learn so much here, sometimes, strangely, on the most unexpected (and unpromising) of threads..

Fuchal · Oct 29, 2014

I read for sadistic entertainment these days more than anything else. There are some good topics in areas such as getting an old Mac Pro running on Yosemite though

Renzatic · Oct 29, 2014

Fuchal said:
I read for sadistic entertainment these days more than anything else.

Heh, yeah. When I read about all the drama and controversy that's apparently a regular thing on in the iPhone forums, the first thing I did was head up to check it out for myself. It's amazing how defensive some people get over such simple things.

...not that I'm implying that I'm a completely objective observer here, and nothing more. I've done my fair share of adding to the drama and controversy.

grahamperrin · Oct 29, 2014

Renzatic said:
(Location: Who puts the washers in the woods?)

… I've done my fair share of adding to the drama and controversy.

and now I'm curious, but I see that you (or your posts) are nowhere in the Yosemite area.

If a tree falls in the forest … Do bears install Yosemite in the woods?

Renzatic · Oct 29, 2014

grahamperrin said:
and now I'm curious, but I see that you (or your posts) are nowhere in the Yosemite area.

If a tree falls in the forest Do bears install Yosemite in the woods?

No, Yosemite has the bears in the woods feature.

The reason you haven't seen me in the Yosemite forum is because I'm still a month or so away from my first Mac. I don't have a reason to praise or complain about something so specific until I've had a decent amount of hands-on time with it.

Though out of curiosity, what do you not like about it? Is it the new, flattish UI, or something more to do with the underpinnings of the OS itself?

grahamperrin · Oct 30, 2014

Renzatic said:
I don't have a reason to praise or complain about something so specific until I've had a decent amount of hands-on time with it.

+1

respect for that approach and I believe that I gave, on various occasions, respectable amounts of time. I did my best to prepare myself before and during the hands-on periods. I was, still am, positively willing to embrace change.

I must not hijack this forum-focused topic with software-focused discussion, so I thank Renzatic for his curiosity and I'll draw a line here with this:

if you'll be a newcomer to the Mac, then you'll almost certainly have the operating system
looking as you want and need it to look, without difficulty,
within a very short period.

__________

Meister · Oct 30, 2014

orestes1984 said:
It's full of zealots, trolls, and smart arses that just want there two cents worth with their click bait and most of them if provoked will abuse the crap out of the notification center here just to make a point.

How does one abuse the notification center?
What part of the forum are you complaining about?

orestes1984 · Oct 30, 2014

Meister said:
How does one abuse the notification center?
What part of the forum are you complaining about?

Just some dimwitted individual that decided to quote a whole bunch of my threads with negative comments after I didn't agree with him that the new iMac is the best thing since sliced bread.

rikmac111 · Oct 30, 2014

Doesn't this happen in real life also?

Scepticalscribe · Oct 30, 2014

grahamperrin said:
and now I'm curious, but I see that you (or your posts) are nowhere in the Yosemite area.

If a tree falls in the forest Do bears install Yosemite in the woods?

Very clever and very funny.

Renzatic said:
No, Yosemite has the bears in the woods feature.

The reason you haven't seen me in the Yosemite forum is because I'm still a month or so away from my first Mac. I don't have a reason to praise or complain about something so specific until I've had a decent amount of hands-on time with it.

Though out of curiosity, what do you not like about it? Is it the new, flattish UI, or something more to do with the underpinnings of the OS itself?

Excellent and thoughtful post. Sane, sensible,..balanced..

grahamperrin said:
+1

respect for that approach and I believe that I gave, on various occasions, respectable amounts of time. I did my best to prepare myself before and during the hands-on periods. I was, still am, positively willing to embrace change.

I must not hijack this forum-focused topic with software-focused discussion, so I thank Renzatic for his curiosity and I'll draw a line here with this:

if you'll be a newcomer to the Mac, then you'll almost certainly have the operating system
looking as you want and need it to look, without difficulty,
within a very short period.

__________

Well said.

orestes1984 said:
Just some dimwitted individual that decided to quote a whole bunch of my threads with negative comments after I didn't agree with him that the new iMac is the best thing since sliced bread.

There seem to be two issues here; one is the initial, or original, disagreement over whether (or not) a specific Apple product (or new OS) is a worthy addition to the Apple universe, and the (increasingly heated and occasionally splenetic) threads and posts devoted to these topics.

And the other is the - (your) - reaction - your, actually, sometimes intemperate, I venture to say - reaction, that you seem to have to those who disagree with your perspective on these matters.

They are two quite separate matters, and - I would argue - draw different responses. On such a forum, where anonymity is guaranteed, and passions run high - especially on the part of those (youngsters) who seem to locate an emerging sense of self, or crafted or created identity through their ownership of Apple products, and their membership of fora such as this where ownership of Apple products can be seen almost a badge of membership - disagreements about the respective merits of Apple products is to be expected.

It should be perfectly possible to disagree with someone - and argue (respectfully) with them, without having to take the view that they are a moron for holding (if trenchantly) differing and robustly expressed opinions to yours.

In other words, in debate, play the ball, not the man (or woman); address the topic under discussion, and argue against it, without having to find recourse to offensive and insulting and dismissive commentary describing those who disagree with you..

grandM · Oct 30, 2014

It's not like I'm taking this insult personally * sharpens kitchen knife *

glutenenvy · Oct 30, 2014

orestes1984 said:
I'm pretty much done with this place.

At first I was torn between "Yup, it's an armpit." and "If you say so."

However, I am concerned that you are letting it get to you. So much so that you have to complain publically at the very place that caused you so much grief. It makes me think it may be more than just the one problem. Time to diversify, like you suggested, into new activities. Yes?

grahamperrin · Oct 31, 2014

Quoting a moderator, and more

Preamble: the paper trails that preceded orestes1984's opening post are probably unread, not knowingly followed, by me. So none of what's below is intended to negatively target any offender (or perceived offender). Also, the quotes are not in strict chronological order …

orestes1984 said:
Just some dimwitted individual that decided to quote a whole bunch of my threads with negative comments after I didn't agree with him that the new iMac is the best thing since sliced bread.

grandM said:
It's not like I'm taking this insult personally * sharpens kitchen knife *

rikmac111 said:
Doesn't this happen in real life also?

Less so in reality. Broadly speaking, I believe that in reality – where a person (or a number of people) can be audibly heard, seen face-to-face, recognised, named and more easily remembered – people are less likely to provoke, less likely to respond to provocation, less likely to act like (or be interpreted/misinterpreted as) a smart-ass, generally far less likely to be mean.

From a moderator, not long ago (2014-10-04):

SandboxGeneral said:
I believe that the primary reason for the poor behavior of people, not only here on MacRumors, but the Internet as a whole, stems, primarily, from the fact of online anonymity.

People are less afraid to say things online than they are in real life, directly to someone. Some people will say the same things in real life as they will online, whether good or bad. But I think the anonymity clause leans heavily in the favor of being of two personalities in most online discussions.

I am one of the people who are the same online as I am in real life. I am me, and I don't change that. If you were to meet me in person, I'd be just like you'd expect me to be as you've come to know me online here.

I feel its an absolute tragedy that some choose to be a more mean and spiteful person online because they have the advantage of anonymity. If someone is mean online and in real life, for shame. I don't understand, nor do I wish to know, why some people choose to be mean, trollish and overly spiteful towards others.

… respect others choices.

I think a lot of people don't understand the differences in opinions and facts a lot of times and then rant against others who display an opinion, thinking they meant it as a fact. There is too much subjectivity in reading and writing of posts. I do my best to look at posts, and real life situations, as objectively as I can. Since I made a conscience choice to do that, my life has been improved dramatically and I find myself not angry, less stressed and more happy.

Objectivity, to me, is a way of looking at things, situations, not just from my point of view, but from others as well. Being able to see something from their point of view helps me understand how or why something is, or why a person chose differently from me. That helps me better accept things, whether I would have agreed with, done or picked that thing or not.

In that same topic, with an emphasis on reality (2014-10-09):

iUser. said:
because it's easier to be mean online unfortunately. but these "mean members" aren't stupid, they wouldn't dare to repeat some of the bs they say on here to someone in real life because most likely they'll get punched in the mouth.

– I would neither suggest nor condone a PITM, but that post was – with other posts – the third most popular for a while (screenshot attached and please note, my vote there was unrelated to the observed violence; I voted because the frankness made me laugh out loud at the time).

Anonymity (again)

Scepticalscribe said:
… whether this merely amplifies the flaws of the internet in general I do not know and cannot say.

By setting a reasonably good example in most areas, I think that MacRumors generally reduces such flaws.

However, a number of explanations for such behaviours suggest themselves: These include the cloak of anonymity …

… I doubt very much if MR can be classed as the sort of place where 'smartasses' are tolerated, let alone welcomed. It strikes me as one of the more civil, civilised, and interesting corners to be found in the online world; for one thing, it is well moderated …

… cults make me very uneasy …

Reporting and so on

The-Real-Deal82 said:
I think the mods here are great and fair, but they don't get paid and this place is so busy it's difficult to manage every thread. It relies on us to report trolling and nastiness for any action to be taken.

… it's about self control and replying sensibly. Sometimes people do need to be put in their place, but do it intelligently and move on. The ignore function is good too …

Aspasia said:
… avoid seeing any more posts …

Apple fanboy said:
Just ignore or report them. …

+1

Renzatic said:
… Macrumors is relatively calm and collected …

Yep. Thanks to everyone who exemplifies that approach.

Anonymous Freak · Oct 31, 2014

Yes. Yes we are.

orestes1984 said:
You logout and leave for a day and I will guarantee you that you will get one smart arsed response or another on a post here and yet if you reply back to it you're generally the one that's sent a warning by a moderator here.

While there is a decent smartass contingent, it is by no means guaranteed. If you write calm, polite, intelligent posts, you will get calm, polite, intelligent replies. If you write angry, smartass, filled-with-errors posts, you will get angry, smartass, and pointing-out-all-your-errors replies.

orestes1984 said:
The community here at Macrumors sucks, I don't understand how anyone would put up with this as an active member. I'm obviously not very active, but this place just irks me. It's full of zealots, trolls, and smart arses that just want there two cents worth with their click bait and most of them if provoked will abuse the crap out of the notification center here just to make a point.

Your paragraph-opening phrase certainly won't endear you to anyone. When you have an abrasive attitude, you get abrasiveness back. Some tips: do not visit the "PRSI" subforum. IGNORE threads that are obviously inflammatory. If you see actual harassment or personal attacks, report them! People DO get scolded and even banned for forum rule violations. But someone needs to report them.

orestes1984 said:
I'm pretty much done with this place.

As your post is an exact example of what you say you don't like - I don't think you'll be missed.

And I'm done responding to the smartass troll clickbait post.

Everybody on here is a smartass

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