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Actually, I have used my father's Garmin Nuvi 660 multiple times. Yes, a GPS is nice and makes things much, much easier, but that is the point of GPS. I just think it is bad that so many people depend solely on their GPS, yet if they needed to use a map they wouldn't know where to buy one, let alone figure out how to read it. It seems like more of the people really complaining and wanting GPS on iPhone want it because they aren't able to figure out the maps without it.

I think I answered this above but to insure you understand...I plan my route prior to departure so would not end up in this situation...even if I did...If my travel was north and the detour was in an easterly direction, then I would go north on that detour and then proceed west until I got back to the road I was using...I don't need to punch any buttons or even use the iPhone to figure that one out. It is also answered by Chr1s below.

Too many people are reliant on the digital world and are slowly forgetting how to do it the "other" way. I have never forgotten the right way and only use the digital world to have fun with navigation and just to see it in use. I have been traveling this country for over 24 years and used the outdoors for 35 and never, ever been lost. I didnt need GPS, iPhone or any other gadget other then a compass to get there.

Except that there are plenty of times when a paper map or referencing a map on a phone aren't helpful solutions. Cases like being in unfamiliar areas, or at night, etc. If I am driving home from someplace I don't know very well, I don't want to pull over to check a paper map on the side of the road, or be driving down the highway with the inside light on while I consult written directions, or with only one hand on the wheel because I need to click next on google maps.

And you know what, I have a great deal of trouble with getting lost. For whatever reason, my sense of direction is dreadful. It takes several times before I get comfortable with familiar routes. I have plenty of other talents, my intelligence is not the issue, I just can't wrap my head around directions. It's just one of those things. The running joke with my friends if we are lost is to ask me which way to go, and then choose the opposite path.

For years I relied as best I could on maps, mapquest, google maps on phones, etc. They are ok, but nothing beats my GPS. In the 4-5 months since I got it, I am definitely too attached to ever go back.

It's all a matter of opinion. I totally understand where chr1s60 and SFCArcher are coming from, but I unfortunately don't have the innate skill or the training that others have had in finding their way. There are plenty of objections to GPS, and for someone with a great sense of direction, obviously they aren't as necessary. I am just playing devil's advocate and pointing out times where GPS makes a great deal of sense, depending on your knowledge level, where you are, etc. Planning ahead is useful, but sometimes doesn't always cover all the contingencies.

(And this whole thread is giving me deja vu, since I have had this very discussion with my girlfriend a few times; she's totally comfortable and understands where she is wherever we are, and I'm left going, "We've been down this street? Really?")
 
Except that there are plenty of times when a paper map or referencing a map on a phone aren't helpful solutions. Cases like being in unfamiliar areas, or at night, etc. If I am driving home from someplace I don't know very well, I don't want to pull over to check a paper map on the side of the road, or be driving down the highway with the inside light on while I consult written directions, or with only one hand on the wheel because I need to click next on google maps.

And you know what, I have a great deal of trouble with getting lost. For whatever reason, my sense of direction is dreadful. It takes several times before I get comfortable with familiar routes. I have plenty of other talents, my intelligence is not the issue, I just can't wrap my head around directions. It's just one of those things. The running joke with my friends if we are lost is to ask me which way to go, and then choose the opposite path.

For years I relied as best I could on maps, mapquest, google maps on phones, etc. They are ok, but nothing beats my GPS. In the 4-5 months since I got it, I am definitely too attached to ever go back.

It's all a matter of opinion. I totally understand where chr1s60 and SFCArcher are coming from, but I unfortunately don't have the innate skill or the training that others have had in finding their way. There are plenty of objections to GPS, and for someone with a great sense of direction, obviously they aren't as necessary. I am just playing devil's advocate and pointing out times where GPS makes a great deal of sense, depending on your knowledge level, where you are, etc. Planning ahead is useful, but sometimes doesn't always cover all the contingencies.

(And this whole thread is giving me deja vu, since I have had this very discussion with my girlfriend a few times; she's totally comfortable and understands where she is wherever we are, and I'm left going, "We've been down this street? Really?")

I am not against GPS, I actually think it is a good thing for people like yourself who seem like they aren't as good with directions and maps. GPS makes everything easier and makes it possible for anyone to be able to easily get to where they are going. I simply think it is also important that people at least learn how to read and use a map at some point because they can come in handy if you are without GPS. Learning how to use a map also makes an application like Google maps on the iPhone much more useful.
 
I 2nd that...

(or maybe 3rd that) SFC Archer & Chris. My years in the Marines caused me to depend on my trusty "compass" and shooting an azimuth at objects on the horizon. Most importantly, was the ability to read maps and navigate stars, (in particular the Big Dipper and the North Star). This way I always new where North was. Thanks for your posts! :cool:
 
One last point...

Question Fear we are not knocking GPS in any way shape or form. We agree that GPS is a great tool, makes things easier and faster and for those with your navigation ;) ability it is a necessity. We are pointing out two facts:

1) Too many people rely to much on the digital world and if worst case scenario happens(device crash, natural disaster, war, accident)...do you have the ability to continue?

2) That some people are able to navigate naturally and do not need the extra devices to move about the world, and that using a good old fashioned map and compass is not wrong.

Other then that, you and all others on this thread have every right to wish for and/or utilize a GPS to their hearts content...just have a backup plan. The iPhone is perfect for me as is and I will accept what is given when it is given but will not buy Version 2 just because it has G3 and GPS.

We don't go into battle without a plan and knowing the 5 w's...that is total suicide. We know our routes and do not have time in the heat of battle to look at maps or punch buttons on a GPS...We just know which way to go and how.
 
Love the iPhone, love my Garmin Nuvi but I often find myself working in places without cell service OR wifi (Death Valley or up in the mountains maybe). If I had to rely on the iPhone for directions in such a place I'd be in deep poop. Gotta have the satellites!
 
1) Too many people rely to much on the digital world and if worst case scenario happens(device crash, natural disaster, war, accident)...do you have the ability to continue?

2) That some people are able to navigate naturally and do not need the extra devices to move about the world, and that using a good old fashioned map and compass is not wrong.

Other then that, you and all others on this thread have every right to wish for and/or utilize a GPS to their hearts content...just have a backup plan. The iPhone is perfect for me as is and I will accept what is given when it is given but will not buy Version 2 just because it has G3 and GPS.
I think it's hilarious how this thread turned from GPS v. iPhone to technology v. compass. I have a great sense of direction, but are you seriously condemning those who don't? You really don't want someone with no ability to read a map trying to do so while driving next to you on the road. I think those "worst case" scenarios you're thinking of are more and more a pipe dream for those "manly men of yesteryear". Technology is here to stay, might as well use it.


...now off to watch survivorman on my 52" LCD HDTV.
 
The 13 Essentials for Survival:

Not to go off topic, but what are the other 11?

1. Map
2. Compass
3. Flashlight/headlamp w/Spare batteries
4. Extra Food
5. Sunglasses
6. First Aid Kit
7. Knife
8. Matches
10. Fire Starter
11. Water
12. Watch...preferably with moving hands to use as an emergency compass
13. Change of warm clothes...not essential but nice to have.

Other survival necessities include: A radio, Cell Phone(iphone with google maps:D, 8 Quarters (soon to not be needed) and a Credit Card

Hope that answers your question.

P.S. Pacohass...I am not condeming anyone for using a GPS, please read all of my posts...please don't go there. And never, never read a map, text or program a GPS while driving, pull to the side of the road and think of others while you do what you gotta do. People thought the same thing until Katrina hit, the towers fell, southern CA burned up...it can happen anytime and anyplace, the fool is one that is not prepared.
 
I actually own both as well and aslong as you turn off the U-Turn option feature on the GPS, you would be fine. I'll leave my GPs to the directions, and my iPhone to the phone calls.:D
 
1) Too many people rely to much on the digital world and if worst case scenario happens(device crash, natural disaster, war, accident)...do you have the ability to continue?
I agree, be prepared, but GPS is a space based system. Run by the DOD. Only a world war could cause GPS to stop working. And if they can kill all our satellites it won't matter what survival tools you have....you will die; quickly or slowly. I hope if it ever happens I'm at ground zero!
 
You're a paranoid bunch of folk, but i still love ya. Come hell and high water and I'll be looking to bum your #3 and #11
 
Oh I stand by my statement. Even when the iPhone has true GPS, it will never have all the features that a standalone GPS will have. When I got to Reno last September on my vacation, it was the first time I had been there. I had no idea where the Casinos were so I went to the entertainment feature on my GPS and looked up Casinos. Clicked on Circus Circus and was taken there. See, these things were already loaded in the GPS. Same with restaurants. I found a place to eat that same night just by searching through the restaurants feature in the GPS. After that, I wanted to wash my car, it guided my flawlessly to a carwash by clicking on the carwash feature.

Also, my GPS has MSN Direct built in, which tells me the prices of gas at all the stations in the area. Click on the lowest and it will take me there. Will the iPhone be able to do that????

Garmin GPS rules!

1.You CAN do all of that but the gas prices with the currect iPhone. You just lack the knowledge to do so. I think there is a web app that will tell you gas prices also that is currently out. (not sure though)

2. You can even surf the websites of the "attraction" you are looking for with the iphone which is nice.

3. February when the SDK comes out you will be able to make the iphone do everything the Garmin GPS does. (EXCEPT exact GPS of coarse)
 
I think we can all agree this was a situation where the GPS led him wrong...Man follows GPS onto train tracks

Luckily no one was hurt, and he was able to get away before impact. And the article isn't clear exactly how the GPS is at fault, unless he turned towards the tracks instead of over them... But its a good reminder that no matter what, be aware of your surroundings.
 
1.You CAN do all of that but the gas prices with the currect iPhone. You just lack the knowledge to do so. I think there is a web app that will tell you gas prices also that is currently out. (not sure though)

2. You can even surf the websites of the "attraction" you are looking for with the iphone which is nice.

3. February when the SDK comes out you will be able to make the iphone do everything the Garmin GPS does. (EXCEPT exact GPS of coarse)

I know there are ways to look up gas prices. It takes too long to ourf to a website to do so. On my GPS, it's updated automatically to the area I am driving to so if I go to Dallas, I go to Glenn Heights, I get all the gas prices that are local to that area. Then if I go up to Fort WOrth, I get all the gas prices for that area. The iPhone can do that too on the internet but it's going to take several minutes to do so when my Garmin does it AS I DRIVE!

The attractions in the area also update for the area I am in. Again this will take some time to look up on the internet on the iPhone when on the GPS it's done automatically as I drive.

Were talking convenience here and that is why the GPS wins hands down.

Guaranteed the apps that will someday be available for the present iPhone will not be able to do all of this. It just won't be able to. Maybe on future iPhones when they have bigger storage to handle the amount of firmware to include all these features but even then I think it will still lack allot.
 
I think we can all agree this was a situation where the GPS led him wrong...Man follows GPS onto train tracks

Luckily no one was hurt, and he was able to get away before impact. And the article isn't clear exactly how the GPS is at fault, unless he turned towards the tracks instead of over them... But its a good reminder that no matter what, be aware of your surroundings.

This reminds me of something my good man Jimmy Norton once said:

I think they should make a GPS where you are required to enter your skin color so that way the GPS can avoid places where I really shouldn't be going.
 
Guaranteed the apps that will someday be available for the present iPhone will not be able to do all of this. It just won't be able to. Maybe on future iPhones when they have bigger storage to handle the amount of firmware to include all these features but even then I think it will still lack allot.
It has nothing to do with the "amount" of firmware. I can conceptually create a program based off the new google-maps trilateration feature that would constantly update your approximate current location and the search results reorder based on which are closest. But of course a GPS is going to be more accurate and work in more places than cell tower approximations.
 
Hexonxonx, Dude you can see Circus - Circus from the freeway...

Originally Posted by hexonxonx View Post
Oh I stand by my statement. Even when the iPhone has true GPS, it will never have all the features that a standalone GPS will have. When I got to Reno last September on my vacation, it was the first time I had been there. I had no idea where the Casinos were so I went to the entertainment feature on my GPS and looked up Casinos. Clicked on Circus Circus and was taken there. See, these things were already loaded in the GPS. Same with restaurants. I found a place to eat that same night just by searching through the restaurants feature in the GPS. After that, I wanted to wash my car, it guided my flawlessly to a carwash by clicking on the carwash feature.

Also, my GPS has MSN Direct built in, which tells me the prices of gas at all the stations in the area. Click on the lowest and it will take me there. Will the iPhone be able to do that????

Garmin GPS rules!

and I've only been to RENO one time! And you can do a google search on my iPhone "gasprices.mapquest.com" is just one of many websites that provide gas prices at the touch of your iPhone!
 
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