Since the new M4 Macs have T5, I wonder how likely new 120 Hz displays are sometime before year end? Depends on when new M4 Mac Pros and Mac Studios get released I guess.
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120Hz Apple Displays about to be released?
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Don't hold your breath. I wouldn't expect new Studio Displays for a few years. T5 and 120hz means very little (if anything) to the average consumer, which is the vast majority of Apple's market.
Even for pros like me, 120hz is a "meh" feature (and yes, I have used 120hz displays, it's nice, but I just don't find it a feature worth getting a new Display for). The T5 could mean something, as soon as storage drives can take advantage of the speed increase. Until then I refer you to the "meh" comment I just made. 😆
Even for pros like me, 120hz is a "meh" feature (and yes, I have used 120hz displays, it's nice, but I just don't find it a feature worth getting a new Display for). The T5 could mean something, as soon as storage drives can take advantage of the speed increase. Until then I refer you to the "meh" comment I just made. 😆
I doubt before year's end, especially since we've heard no rumors of new displays coming. But TB5 certainly brings us closer to 5K and 6K 120Hz displays.
5k 120hz means a LOT to gamers. Not a single one exists in the market today. T5 makes 5k120hz possible, so I would argue it means a lot, especially to those who want a larger screen without demoting their current screens to 4k.
But this isn't like old days when Apple Thunderbolt displays were a one-off product, there was no such thing as OLED, Mini-LED, and no VR/AR pushing display tech. Also, unlike the past, these displays have Apple silicon and you can't keep the same A chip in there for years. These will have to be refreshed at least every few years. Maybe along Thunderbolt releases.
I have the feeling new displays are on the horizon. Likely when new M4 Mac Studios and Mac Pros are released. GPUs in Silicon allow for higher frame rates and better performance. AR/VR demands high refresh rates and accurate color rendering. This aligns with what many gamers want from high-refresh displays. Samsung and LG, are introducing 120Hz and higher refresh rate options, including 5K and 6K models. Apple needs to maintain competitiveness.
My bet is new displays by summer 2025 or coinciding with the M4 Mac Pro/Mac Studio Ultra.
I have the feeling new displays are on the horizon. Likely when new M4 Mac Studios and Mac Pros are released. GPUs in Silicon allow for higher frame rates and better performance. AR/VR demands high refresh rates and accurate color rendering. This aligns with what many gamers want from high-refresh displays. Samsung and LG, are introducing 120Hz and higher refresh rate options, including 5K and 6K models. Apple needs to maintain competitiveness.
My bet is new displays by summer 2025 or coinciding with the M4 Mac Pro/Mac Studio Ultra.
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There is no smaller market for Apple than Gamers. Nobody into gaming is buying a Mac, 120hz display or not.
I would be of the same sentiment, but show me a 40" Ultrawide 8K and I'll gladly reach for my wallet.
I couldn‘t find any 5K/6K models above 60 Hz. That‘s why I asked.
They do not exist. When we talk about 5k120hz, we are referring to 16:9 monitors, not 21:9 (ultra wide).
The day a 5k120hz monitor hits the market is the same day that I give apple $4k to upgrade from my 2015 27" 5k iMac. If Apple wants to be first, they would get ~$3k more from me for that display!
I see what you're saying now. True, but this is a different gen. As I was saying in my previous post, unlike the past, these displays have Apple silicon and you can't keep the same A-chip in the display for years. You really think Apple is going to keep the same A13 Bionic chip in its displays for years when each new chip contains updated specs? The displays will have to be refreshed at least every three years or so; or with each Thunderbolt release sounds reasonable. Something like that. That's a guarantee.
Moving forward with AR, VR, gaming, and AI video, high refresh rates and consistent updates are going to become the norm. High refresh rates are essential to the VR experience which influences demand for high refresh rates in desktop displays due to consistency in experience, gaming and content creation, and reducing eye strain and fatigue &c. Apple’s iPads, iPhones, and MacBook Pro models feature 120Hz ProMotion displays, setting an expectation for fluidity across devices. A 120Hz refresh rate would also support high-frame-rate content. VR and AR content creation workflows also demand displays with higher refresh rates, making a 120Hz refresh a no-brainer upgrade.
I guarantee you new displays by summer 2025.
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As long as it is not a monitor that offers ~220PPI, it is not a real 5K/6K/7K/8K monitor, but only a combination of 2x 4K monitors in a wide panel! So please check such statements carefully, because de facto there is still no panel (with 27” or larger) with 220PPI that also supports 120Hz!
I hope you are right, but look at the specs of the just released M4 Pro/Max computers with Thunderbolt 5 – they still support 5k and 6K (and now 8K) displays with 60 Hz only. Hard to believe Apple would release a 120 Hz display at WWDC that would be only compatible with a new Mac Studio or Mac Pro.
None, according to rumors and official outlets.
But we will be getting WOLED 49" 5k2k displays announced at CES in January most likely, with 39" and 34" version coming in Q1'26. These panels should have updated OLED sub pixel structure, for better text clarity. I will personally be waiting for the 34 or 39" models, and I know a lot in the communities are waiting for these too. There are no major rumors for any other displays or even panels.
Of course, Apple being who they are, they might be getting unique displays produced for them, that we don't know about. But usually we know about them in advance.
Dell has had one out since February. Dell UltraSharp 40" U4025QW.
We might not be many, but we do exist.
Dell UltraSharp 40" U4025QW. 5120x2160 at 120hz IPS Black.
And if you want to go bigger, there's the Samsung 57" Odyssey Neo G9 G95NC 7,680x2,160 32:9 at 240 hz MiniLED.
There's nothing else, unless you want to go down in vertical resolution, in which case you can get the 32:9 49" Odyssey OLED G9 G95SC 5,120x1,440.
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Thanks for those links but I get the impression there are two parties in this thread looking for different things. These displays may be technically „5K“ (or even „8K“), but I (and others) am/are looking for displays with higher dpi (around 220, what Apple defines as „retina“ for the desktop).
I wish we had better display technology that didn't rely on compensatory measures like DC dimming, high-frequency PWM, or anti-flicker mechanisms to address the inherent limitations of OLED.
But who is interested in these cripple monitors? At work I have the Dell U4025QW, but it has nothing to do with a Retina display! 5120x2160 is and remains a stupid 4K monitor in widescreen format. It doesn't have ~220PPI but a maximum of 160PPI. This is no alternative at all! The picture quality is in a much worse league than that of real 5K displays. So please, no more examples of such disappointments. And even the Samsung you mentioned is just a stupid 2x 4K monitor, nothing more.
Like it was already said, different folks looking for different things. While you and I are looking for a big retina display, gamers may be fine with lower dpi as long as the refresh rate is high(er).
My biggest concern is that they will restrict ProMotion to the Pro Display XDR, for no other reason than it being the ‘pro’ branded product.
Historically, I can’t think of many Apple displays (on devices) that have featured ProMotion without a mini-LED or OLED display. I know one of the early iPad Pros did, but that’s about it.
Historically, I can’t think of many Apple displays (on devices) that have featured ProMotion without a mini-LED or OLED display. I know one of the early iPad Pros did, but that’s about it.
You can already get 120hz on displays with macOS, and the adaptive technology makes little sense on things that doesn't run on battery.
😆 Same, I would honestly pay $3k for just a 27" 120hz Studio display alone. I recently tried the 5k2k versions with 140-160 PPI, but my vision is better than normal so I see the fuzzy text even at a distance, and I don't like matte displays anymore.
Rumors seem to be pointing to 90hz, at first I was not happy hearing that, but playing around with all 3 60hz, 90hz, and 120hz the difference between 60 and 90 is the most pronounced, going from 90 to 120 is noticeable but not as much. So heck 90hz is better than nothing, but I want it yesterday, to pair with the Mac mini, but at this rate maybe I should just wait until the new Mac Studio with a zillion graphic cores.
We have some hope, I found a true 5k 120hz panel, not yet being mass produced. It's a TCL 8K 5000 Zone Mini LED HDR1400 24-120hz so it's 326PPI. The reason I think we have hope is that error the Mac Mini listed a resolution of 8k 120hz in tech specs. It was quickly removed but I firmly believe they have plans, it was not just a mistake, just not ready to show that. Pretty sure they are waiting until the Studio M4 is released.
That being said if TCL releases one before that, and it's a glossy display, I'm buying it, $2k? $3k? $4k? doesn't matter, I already have too much debt so what's a little more. I saw a video of this beauty, I want it yesterday.😜
Maybe the 90hz is going to be in the iMac next year, and maybe even the current Studio display. Then maybe they offer a PRO 27" 120HZ Mini LED Studio display they can sell to stupid people like me at ridiculous insane prices 120hz 326PPI and I will hit the buy button without even knowing the cost, and maybe they say it only runs on a Studio, then I guess I need a second mtg.
I do see a huge difference between 60hz and 120hz....going from 218ppi to 326ppi, not so much, but I'll take it.
That being said if TCL releases one before that, and it's a glossy display, I'm buying it, $2k? $3k? $4k? doesn't matter, I already have too much debt so what's a little more. I saw a video of this beauty, I want it yesterday.😜
Maybe the 90hz is going to be in the iMac next year, and maybe even the current Studio display. Then maybe they offer a PRO 27" 120HZ Mini LED Studio display they can sell to stupid people like me at ridiculous insane prices 120hz 326PPI and I will hit the buy button without even knowing the cost, and maybe they say it only runs on a Studio, then I guess I need a second mtg.
I do see a huge difference between 60hz and 120hz....going from 218ppi to 326ppi, not so much, but I'll take it.