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sneak3

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Hi there!

I wanted to play some games in my macbook pro (mid 2010). Nothing to heavy but still, I'm worried about battery life and performance.

1- Should I get parallels 7 or Vmware fusion 4?

2- Is the difference between bootcamp and one of the above too huge, making bootcamp the choice?

Thank you!
 
Hi there!

I wanted to play some games in my macbook pro (mid 2010). Nothing to heavy but still, I'm worried about battery life and performance.

1- Should I get parallels 7 or Vmware fusion 4?

2- Is the difference between bootcamp and one of the above too huge, making bootcamp the choice?

Thank you!
Battery life while gaming, whether on bootcamp or virtualizing windows is going to suck, so using that argument is pointless.

Gaming = need for all of the computer's resources = bootcamp, no questions asked.
 
bootcamp with VMWare Fusion is awesome. VMWare Fusion sees the bootcamp partition as a slice so you can use it while in MacOs or if you need to play games you can reboot into bootcamp, it's really handy.
 
bootcamp with VMWare Fusion is awesome. VMWare Fusion sees the bootcamp partition as a slice so you can use it while in MacOs or if you need to play games you can reboot into bootcamp, it's really handy.

You can merge your bootcamp to be used with parallels 7 as well, which I can virtualize win 7 with it AND play CODMW2, then 3 swipe with my trackpad back over to mac os X without a hitch. Of course, all 8gb of my ram is gone.
 
Alright..so theres absolutely no benefits from using these softwares, compared to bootcamp?


Ive always had the impression that running a virtual machine while in OS X would make the battery last longer...
 
Alright..so theres absolutely no benefits from using these softwares, compared to bootcamp?


Ive always had the impression that running a virtual machine while in OS X would make the battery last longer...
You don't have to reboot to run a program in a VM, have access to mac formatted disks, can cut and paste between OSX and Win7 - there are advantages if you need them.
 
Alright..so theres absolutely no benefits from using these softwares, compared to bootcamp?


Ive always had the impression that running a virtual machine while in OS X would make the battery last longer...

If anything I would think running a VM would decrease battery life (by a small fraction) because of increased requirements on the computer.
 
You wanted to play games, then you really shouldn't be worried about battery life, you should be plugged in when doing so. You might see a slight improvement in battery life, as the OSX is better at managing the battery for Mac hardware than Windows is. Again, you said you only wanted to play games, so battery life shouldn't be a concern. Bootcamp is your best option for gaming and virtual for everything else as a rule of thumb (unless you have a heavy processor need that might be hindered by virtualization). If using this philosophy, then virtualization wouldn't be needed at all (unless you have some other need as well), All you would need is just bootcamp. There is also virtual box for virtualization as well.
 
If anything I would think running a VM would decrease battery life (by a small fraction) because of increased requirements on the computer.

Yeah it will compared to not running one, but bootcamp no matter what runs the dedicated video card on my 17" which decreases battery, and not to mention windows runs inefficient compared to OS X in terms of casual use.
 
If I run bootcamp, I'm going to assume that I also have to load up virus protection software on top of Windows 7? These software costs add up just to play a game of StarCraft 2...
 
Alright..so theres absolutely no benefits from using these softwares, compared to bootcamp?


Ive always had the impression that running a virtual machine while in OS X would make the battery last longer...

I believe what everyone was trying to tell you is that with a VM, you get the convenience of running in OSX without rebooting but you still retain the ability to use bootcamp as a separate option. I'd agree and suggest this as well. Use VM. I have the VMware 4 trial and it's quite impressive. I used Parallels 6 and VMware 3 long term, and Parallels 6 sucks. Can't comment on Parallels 7.

No, VMs always use more resources, you're effectively running one OS inside another.
 
I believe what everyone was trying to tell you is that with a VM, you get the convenience of running in OSX without rebooting but you still retain the ability to use bootcamp as a separate option. I'd agree and suggest this as well. Use VM. I have the VMware 4 trial and it's quite impressive. I used Parallels 6 and VMware 3 long term, and Parallels 6 sucks. Can't comment on Parallels 7.

No, VMs always use more resources, you're effectively running one OS inside another.

My computer can simultaneously run COD MW2 on the win 7 vm and then I can 3 finger swipe to another game like Trine, without hesitation. Parallels 7 runs very well, I was surprised myself.
 
Outside of games (bootcamp) The choice is really personal preference and it seems for the most part both vmware and parallels are evenly matched at this point
 
I hear Parallels allows for "true full-screen" of Windows programs in "Coherence mode" under OS X Lion where VMWare still shows the top menu bar.

Although when viewing the Windows desktop VMWare & Parallels both are able to show the Windows desktop in "true full-screen" with no menu bar on top.

Are there any other big differences?
 
I hear Parallels allows for "true full-screen" of Windows programs in "Coherence mode" under OS X Lion where VMWare still shows the top menu bar.

Although when viewing the Windows desktop VMWare & Parallels both are able to show the Windows desktop in "true full-screen" with no menu bar on top.

Are there any other big differences?

Parallels allows for up to 1024 VRAM on my 6750, fusion 4 only allows 256.
 
Any other comments / experiences that you can share about either Fusion 4 or Parallels 7?
 
Parallels seems to be integrated better, so it looks like the windows applications are running in mac, and not in a separate virtual os. While Fusion does a better job at seperating the OS's.
(I don't have much experience myself, but did some research a while back because I was also trying to decide what to get xD I went with Bootcamp since I needed the full power for 3D applications.)

What I do like about Fusion though, is that it does a great job at making lots of small virtual worlds. I use MicroXP and then install a single (old) game on it (like Red Alert 2), and then I have a bunch of virtual XP's each dedicated for a single game (or a series of games). You can also give these virtual machines to your friend of migrate them over to an other mac (or keep them when you reinstall or something).

The only real experience I had with Parallels is that it ran my 3D apps really slow :p

So what I'm saying:
Get bootcamp if you want to play (new) games, use heavy apps (3dsMax, UDK, ...) or want your apps to run properly.
Get Parallels if you want to have a few windows-only apps, that you really love and use a lot, and want them very nicely integrated into mac. (Make sure these aren't heavy apps.)
Get VMWare if you want to play older games occasionally.

For you:
Depending on the games I would go for either Bootcamp or Wine.
Wine is a wrapper around you apps, so you don't even have to run seperate virtualization software, it's great! Though might not run your games very well, I use it for older games also (recently been trying it out and works awesome :D).
(Wine is also free, look at http://wineskin.doh123.com/ for pure awesomeness.)
Bootcamp will give best performance, though in my experience eats up battery life 3 times as fast as mac. Also rebooting is a pain.
Wine depends on the game, I only used it for older games and those don't really have a big impact on battery life.

Hope this helps a little :p
-P
 
Surprised nobody mentions VirtualBox. I mean, it's free, and it's been good enough for me to do a lot of development work on. I can have Windows and different Linux installs all going, zero problems. I know it's not as fancy as VMWare with drag and drop between desktops, but otherwise, I think it's pretty good stuff.
 
Surprised nobody mentions VirtualBox. I mean, it's free, and it's been good enough for me to do a lot of development work on. I can have Windows and different Linux installs all going, zero problems. I know it's not as fancy as VMWare with drag and drop between desktops, but otherwise, I think it's pretty good stuff.

Can you do "Full-Screen View" in VirtualBox of Windows 7 under OS X Lion?
 
bootcamp with VMWare Fusion is awesome. VMWare Fusion sees the bootcamp partition as a slice so you can use it while in MacOs or if you need to play games you can reboot into bootcamp, it's really handy.

Not sure I understand. Are you saying that if you set up BootCamp in the normal way, the latest VMWare Fusion will let you run at BootCamp speed/capability without needing to reboot....?

To the person who mentioned VirtualBox - I use that to set up multiple Linux installs - it's not as slick as the pay-for apps, but it gets the job done.
 
Can you do "Full-Screen View" in VirtualBox of Windows 7 under OS X Lion?

I don't have Windows 7 set up as a VM, but I can switch to a full screen mode on the XP and Linux VMs I do have. I can't imagine Win7 will be any different. When you switch to full screen, it is just like a native install. This is under Lion.
 
To the person who mentioned VirtualBox - I use that to set up multiple Linux installs - it's not as slick as the pay-for apps, but it gets the job done.

Agreed. I just offered it as an option as everyone is always hung up on the extra cost of virtualization. I prefer the paid options myself.
 
My vote for VMware 4, I use it daily at work (IT Manager 100+ employees) and it's flawless. I have no issues what so ever!

I used their conversion tool for creating a VM out of my physical box so I could free up another machine for general use, and the best part is I get to use my MBP at work.
 
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