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16 MBP... 4th gen or 5th gen?
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depends on if you think this design will continue for another 4 years so yes.
I say this is still 4th gen even though the shell is different and internals have been rearranged and updated. Styling wise its the same.
Apple has stuck with the same iMac design for what feels like eons. This is just a 15" laptop in the same enclosure of the 2016 model line (with some tweaks). Again, its design really has no impact on future changes.
I don't think it matters and its too easy to fail to see the forest through the trees
Does it matter? Probably not since we can't guess when design changes are going to happen.
Is it a valid question? Yes, it's a forum
Is it a valid question? Yes, it's a forum
that being said do you think a full redesign would happen being that this is an updated version of what we already had. A full redesign was expected in 2020. Im not sure now as I think they could carry the 16 and 14" lines till 2024 now.
Apple sold MBP more than iMac so it is obvious to expect MBP to have more updates than iMac.
I think the next redsign may be ARM based and that's going to occur imo, before 2024. Maybe even next year.
I disagree, being a 4th, 5th or 99th generation really isn't important. What is important, is if this machine meets your needs. If it does, buy it, if it doesn't then save your money
Think this model is about leaving Intel based Macs on a good note while they begin shifting to ARM next year. I can definitely still see 2-3 iterations of this computer using Intel chips over the next few years, and maybe they will run alongside a 'full redesign' (i.e. significantly different design language, ProMotion, XDR etc) ARM MacBook(Pro) from WWDC 2020 or 2021.
That seems to make sense. I'd expect (read hope for) a 14"sibling early to mid next year, then those two running for several processor generations as they introduce thinner, lighter ARM MacBooks.
I'm not sure about the long-term future of Intel Macs - Microsoft just got roundly panned for the Surface Pro X's performance running emulated applications (and even Office is emulated). If I were Apple, I'd have Mail, Safari, etc... ARM-native before introducing anything - and put a lot of pressure on third-party developers to have their applications ready.
A big issue for more professional applications is the easy way out for developers. It's significantly easier to port an iPad application (which, after all, is already ARM - and the tools in Catalina make it all the easier) than it is to get a big, balky old x64 application over. I suspect (as a matter of fact, I'm almost sure) that we lose Lightroom Classic when we move to ARM, for example. The new cloud-oriented version of Lightroom is based on the iPad app's code base, and that's what they'll port (unfortunately, it lacks things as basic as. the print module). Similarly, we'll get Photoshop, but it'll be based on Photoshop for iPad, not big Photoshop. Any case where there's a big feature difference between desktop and iPad apps, expect the iPad version!
I'm not sure about the long-term future of Intel Macs - Microsoft just got roundly panned for the Surface Pro X's performance running emulated applications (and even Office is emulated). If I were Apple, I'd have Mail, Safari, etc... ARM-native before introducing anything - and put a lot of pressure on third-party developers to have their applications ready.
A big issue for more professional applications is the easy way out for developers. It's significantly easier to port an iPad application (which, after all, is already ARM - and the tools in Catalina make it all the easier) than it is to get a big, balky old x64 application over. I suspect (as a matter of fact, I'm almost sure) that we lose Lightroom Classic when we move to ARM, for example. The new cloud-oriented version of Lightroom is based on the iPad app's code base, and that's what they'll port (unfortunately, it lacks things as basic as. the print module). Similarly, we'll get Photoshop, but it'll be based on Photoshop for iPad, not big Photoshop. Any case where there's a big feature difference between desktop and iPad apps, expect the iPad version!
Dont expect ARM based MacBook Pro for now cause MacBook Air is rumored to be the first ARM based Mac and they are still considering to put their own chips on MBP and iMac.
If they did this launch as a press release in mid November I expect another upgrade in 6 months. The 15 was just updated so what's to say Apple won't make another refresh.
A chip from iPad Pro 2018 is almost near 15-inch MBP 2018's CPU without thermal throttling, way less heat and power consumption without a cooler. It's quite possible tho if they increase its voltage and performance for MacBook Pro. And yeah, that was 2018 and we are looking at 2020.
Sort of the same case. The new one is little thicker for the new cooling system with new heat sinks and fans, keyboard with double key travel, and the 100W worth of batteries. Weight is up to 2 kg.
So it gained weight and got a little fatter. I put that down to Johnny Ives not being there any more with his obsession in thinness.
I don't think it's as inconceivable as it sounds, Anandtech's review of the A13 concluded it was up there with Intel and AMD's best in terms of individual core performance. And bear in mind it's optimised for a passively cooled phone drawing no more than 6W. Something optimised for a MacBook Pro's cooling solution/ power supply should go toe to toe with it quite handily.
On the software side, I think a handful of Apple's own programs (Final Cut, Xcode, Logic Pro) alongside another handful from third party partners compiled and optimised for ARM could make the computer pretty useful to a lot of people right out the gate. And of course I can absolutely see this new 16" remaining for sale over another 2-4 generations for those who really are wedded to x86.
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On the software side, I think a handful of Apple's own programs (Final Cut, Xcode, Logic Pro) alongside another handful from third party partners compiled and optimised for ARM could make the computer pretty useful to a lot of people right out the gate.
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Yeah, Adobe and Microsoft are two companies where I think a partnership would be essential so that their applications are working from day one. And just finding a way to give all developers (anyone with a developer account) an early heads-up and a path to optimize their apps before release if possible.
And a machine like this is in development for a few years.I don't think it's as inconceivable as it sounds, Anandtech's review of the A13 concluded it was up there with Intel and AMD's best in terms of individual core performance. And bear in mind it's optimised for a passively cooled phone drawing no more than 6W. Something optimised for a MacBook Pro's cooling solution/ power supply should go toe to toe with it quite handily.
On the software side, I think a handful of Apple's own programs (Final Cut, Xcode, Logic Pro) alongside another handful from third party partners compiled and optimised for ARM could make the computer pretty useful to a lot of people right out the gate. And of course I can absolutely see this new 16" remaining for sale over another 2-4 generations for those who really are wedded to x86.
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Well, Photoshop for iPad looks terrible but promising since Photoshop can be used right after Apple release ARM based Mac. They even change the icon to a mobile icon for desktop.
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MacBook Pro - Wikipedia
Oh well, Wiki said it's 5th gen... without any proofs.
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We don't, but there is nothing to suggest we will see a redesign in 2020, so I would have to assume this is the redesign. Just don't see Apple putting a new keyboard, redesigned thermals, new speakers, etc. and then making a redesign very quickly. I think this is the redesign with chip and screen improvements the next few years until they can switch Pro computers to ARM.
This is more than a refresh - maybe not quite rising to the level of a full redesign.
New:
Keyboard
Screen
Case (thermals)
GPU (more powerful than anyone except Razer has in a thin-and-light)
RAM capacity
SSD capacity
Retained (Intel's fault):
CPU
Retained (by choice):
Basic design language
I'm not at all sure we're going to see a MacBook Pro with different design language until it has ARM CPUs... Think carefully about whether you actually want an ARM MBP (an ARM MacBook makes more sense) - a LOT of the software is going to be iPad ports (just as an example, we'll get Lightroom CC, but not big Lightroom Classic - and Photoshop will be based on Photoshop for iPad)
New:
Keyboard
Screen
Case (thermals)
GPU (more powerful than anyone except Razer has in a thin-and-light)
RAM capacity
SSD capacity
Retained (Intel's fault):
CPU
Retained (by choice):
Basic design language
I'm not at all sure we're going to see a MacBook Pro with different design language until it has ARM CPUs... Think carefully about whether you actually want an ARM MBP (an ARM MacBook makes more sense) - a LOT of the software is going to be iPad ports (just as an example, we'll get Lightroom CC, but not big Lightroom Classic - and Photoshop will be based on Photoshop for iPad)