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1866mhz 8gb ram crashing

L

Lawney

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Feb 24, 2011
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i just purchased a 17inch MBP and installed a 6G OWC SSD and a data doubler, as well as two sticks of 4gb 1866mhz ram (reading as 1867). I am periodically having OS crashes (Lion). They are random crashes, but a few have occurred while installing Adobe Master suite while transferring files from an external. Otherwise, I could just be browsing the web.

I am wondering if these random crashes are likely to be caused by the superfast ram that i threw under the hood (i think its the only ram of this speed on newegg for laptops).

Here is a report:

Interval Since Last Panic Report: 114742 sec
Panics Since Last Report: 4
Anonymous UUID: 6C9C91FD-70E6-4835-BD07-C2184EEC6D54

Sat Aug 13 10:43:34 2011
panic(cpu 4 caller 0xffffff80002c268d): Kernel trap at 0xffffff80002b3257, type 13=general protection, registers:
CR0: 0x0000000080010033, CR2: 0x0000000122b37000, CR3: 0x000000003970a01a, CR4: 0x00000000000606e0
RAX: 0xffffff7f81b8688f, RBX: 0xffffff8024f7f000, RCX: 0xffffff7f81b87b00, RDX: 0xfeffff80152aaf90
RSP: 0xffffff80f22d39d0, RBP: 0xffffff80f22d39d0, RSI: 0x0000000000000001, RDI: 0xfeffff80152aaf90
R8: 0x0000000000000000, R9: 0x0000000000000000, R10: 0xffffff7f81b83c56, R11: 0xffffff80146505e8
R12: 0xffffff80236e54b4, R13: 0xffffff8024f7f000, R14: 0xffffff80d3190000, R15: 0xffffff8024f7f000
RFL: 0x0000000000010246, RIP: 0xffffff80002b3257, CS: 0x0000000000000008, SS: 0x0000000000000010
CR2: 0x0000000122b37000, Error code: 0x0000000000000000, Faulting CPU: 0x4

Backtrace (CPU 4), Frame : Return Address
0xffffff80f22d3690 : 0xffffff8000220702
0xffffff80f22d3710 : 0xffffff80002c268d
0xffffff80f22d38b0 : 0xffffff80002d7a3d
0xffffff80f22d38d0 : 0xffffff80002b3257
0xffffff80f22d39d0 : 0xffffff7f81b86ade
0xffffff80f22d3b00 : 0xffffff7f81b83cb1
0xffffff80f22d3b60 : 0xffffff8000651f8e
0xffffff80f22d3b80 : 0xffffff800065286a
0xffffff80f22d3be0 : 0xffffff8000652ff0
0xffffff80f22d3d20 : 0xffffff80002a3738
0xffffff80f22d3e20 : 0xffffff8000222ff6
0xffffff80f22d3e50 : 0xffffff8000214829
0xffffff80f22d3eb0 : 0xffffff800021bb58
0xffffff80f22d3f10 : 0xffffff80002ae5b0
0xffffff80f22d3fb0 : 0xffffff80002d803e
Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelHDGraphics(7.0.2)[2B81B2A6-462C-36D9-9F20-6AE196FF369E]@0xffffff7f81b7a000->0xffffff7f81c5afff
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily(2.6.5)[95ABB490-3AB5-3D5E-9C21-67089A9AE6A1]@0xffffff7f8083e000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport(2.3)[E99C8907-946D-3F1A-A261-4C0F2D5D0451]@0xffffff7f80c56000
dependency: com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily(2.3)[897EB322-FD55-36D7-A68E-9E9C34A74A84]@0xffffff7f80c1e000

BSD process name corresponding to current thread: PluginProcess

Mac OS version:
11A511a

Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 11.0.0: Sat Jun 18 12:56:35 PDT 2011; root:xnu-1699.22.73~1/RELEASE_X86_64
Kernel UUID: 24CC17EB-30B0-3F6C-907F-1A9B2057AF78
System model name: MacBookPro8,3 (Mac-942459F5819B171B)

System uptime in nanoseconds: 50619881964252
last loaded kext at 2212741785707: com.apple.filesystems.smbfs 1.7.0 (addr 0xffffff7f8078d000, size 241664)
last unloaded kext at 148891766546: com.apple.driver.AppleUSBUHCI 4.4.0 (addr 0xffffff7f80a4a000, size 65536)
loaded kexts:
com.apple.filesystems.smbfs 1.7.0
com.apple.driver.AppleHWSensor 1.9.4d0
com.apple.filesystems.autofs 3.0
com.apple.driver.AppleMikeyHIDDriver 122
com.apple.driver.AppleMikeyDriver 2.1.1f11
com.apple.driver.AppleHDA 2.1.1f11
com.apple.driver.AGPM 100.12.40
com.apple.driver.AudioAUUC 1.59
com.apple.kext.ATIFramebuffer 7.0.2
com.apple.driver.AppleUpstreamUserClient 3.5.9
com.apple.driver.AppleMCCSControl 1.0.24
com.apple.driver.SMCMotionSensor 3.0.1d2
com.apple.iokit.IOUserEthernet 1.0.0d1
com.apple.Dont_Steal_Mac_OS_X 7.0.0
com.apple.driver.AudioIPCDriver 1.2.0
com.apple.driver.AppleSMCLMU 2.0.1d2
com.apple.driver.ACPI_SMC_PlatformPlugin 4.7.0b2
com.apple.ATIRadeonX3000 7.0.2
com.apple.driver.AppleMuxControl 3.0.8
com.apple.driver.AppleLPC 1.5.1
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelHDGraphics 7.0.2
com.apple.driver.AppleIntelSNBGraphicsFB 7.0.2
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBTCButtons 220.8
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBTCKeyboard 220.8
com.apple.driver.AppleIRController 309
com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeDataless 1.0.0d1
com.apple.AppleFSCompression.AppleFSCompressionTypeZlib 1.0.0d1
com.apple.BootCache 32
com.apple.iokit.IOAHCIBlockStorage 2.0.0
com.apple.driver.AppleUSBHub 4.4.0
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com.apple.iokit.AppleBCM5701Ethernet 3.0.6b9
com.apple.driver.AppleEFINVRAM 1.5.0
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com.apple.driver.AppleUSBEHCI 4.4.0
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com.apple.driver.AppleACPIButtons 1.4
com.apple.driver.AppleRTC 1.4
com.apple.driver.AppleHPET 1.6
com.apple.driver.AppleSMBIOS 1.7
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com.apple.security.quarantine 1
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Model: MacBookPro8,3, BootROM MBP81.0047.B0E, 4 processors, Intel Core i7, 2.3 GHz, 8 GB, SMC 1.70f3
Graphics: AMD Radeon HD 6750M, AMD Radeon HD 6750M, PCIe, 1024 MB
Graphics: Intel HD Graphics 3000, Intel HD Graphics 3000, Built-In, 512 MB
Memory Module: BANK 0/DIMM0, 4 GB, DDR3, 1867 MHz, 0x0198, 0x393930353432382D3034382E4130304C4620
Memory Module: BANK 1/DIMM0, 4 GB, DDR3, 1867 MHz, 0x0198, 0x393930353432382D3034382E4130304C4620
AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme (0x14E4, 0xD6), Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.100.98.75.6)
Bluetooth: Version 2.5.0f17, 2 service, 12 devices, 1 incoming serial ports
Network Service: Wi-Fi, AirPort, en1
Serial ATA Device: Mercury ELECTRA 6G SSD, 120.03 GB
Serial ATA Device: Hitachi HTS725050A9A362, 500.11 GB
USB Device: hub_device, 0x0424 (SMSC), 0x2514, 0xfa100000 / 3
USB Device: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad, apple_vendor_id, 0x0252, 0xfa120000 / 5
USB Device: BRCM2070 Hub, 0x0a5c (Broadcom Corp.), 0x4500, 0xfa110000 / 4
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller, apple_vendor_id, 0x821a, 0xfa113000 / 8
USB Device: FaceTime HD Camera (Built-in), apple_vendor_id, 0x8509, 0xfa200000 / 2
USB Device: hub_device, 0x0424 (SMSC), 0x2514, 0xfd100000 / 2
USB Device: IR Receiver, apple_vendor_id, 0x8242, 0xfd110000 / 3
 
General protection faults are often traced to ram. I'd run a repair on permissions and the drive - reset the smc - and if it happened again, remove the ram to see if it stabilizes.
 
I dont think that any 1866MHz RAM has been found that doesn't crash in a MacBook yet.
 
The Intel HD Graphics driver found faulty RAM (the driver uses it instead of GDDR-RAM), and disabled itself via a call to the "panic" kernel function (or the kernel did it).

Solution: Buy only Mac (Apple) compatible RAM!

All big companies in the RAM-business have a search function on their website (Kingston, Crucial), which you can use to find Apple compatible RAM. Just select "Apple" as the hardware manufacturer on these websites to get the part numbers. You can then search for these part numbers via Google to find the cheapest (but reliable) source.
 
Well, when you use out of spec RAM, what do you expect? And it's not like people haven't reported on this before.

Send it back and order correctly specified RAM--1333 MHz.
 
I just got them yesterday 2x4gb corsair 1333 for $39 and they works perdectly
 
JronMasteR said:
You can also buy these 1600MHz HyperX from Kingston (KHX1600C9S3P1K2/8G). They work perfectly in the 17"MBP 2011
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Since I like pointing things like this out, if you ever take your MBP in for warranty service, Apple can say you have voided your warranty by using incorrectly specified parts . . .

;)
 
Because at the time I bought them they were not more expensive than the 1333MHz. And they are listed on the Kingston site as compatible for MBP's.
 
According to Intel's specification sheet for the processors found in the 15 and 17 inch MBP's, 1600MHz RAM should do just fine. Not too sure why Apple insists on 1333MHz.

Still, I'd stick to 1333MHz simply because I'd like to have my warranty intact.
 
JronMasteR said:
Because at the time I bought them they were not more expensive than the 1333MHz. And they are listed on the Kingston site as compatible for MBP's.
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Apple does not care what Kingston says is compatible. Nor that 1333 MHz RAM was a touch more expensive. ;)

I'd keep the stock RAM around if I were you . . . just in case.

I've practiced in consumer protection/warranty law, and a manufacturer is entirely within its rights to disclaim a warranty when someone uses out of spec parts, even if it is a user-serviceable part like RAM.
 
Naimfan said:
Apple does not care what Kingston says is compatible. Nor that 1333 MHz RAM was a touch more expensive. ;)

I'd keep the stock RAM around if I were you . . . just in case.

I've practiced in consumer protection/warranty law, and a manufacturer is entirely within its rights to disclaim a warranty when someone uses out of spec parts, even if it is a user-serviceable part like RAM.
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I still have the original ones around. I have a data doubler in my MBP, so I would've have to put the superdrive back in anyway, if something goes wrong with my MBP.
Thanks for the suggestion.
 
Mr. Retrofire said:
The Intel HD Graphics driver found faulty RAM (the driver uses it instead of GDDR-RAM), and disabled itself via a call to the "panic" kernel function (or the kernel did it).

Solution: Buy only Mac (Apple) compatible RAM!

All big companies in the RAM-business have a search function on their website (Kingston, Crucial), which you can use to find Apple compatible RAM. Just select "Apple" as the hardware manufacturer on these websites to get the part numbers. You can then search for these part numbers via Google to find the cheapest (but reliable) source.
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I hope you know that "Apple Compatible" means "Price parked up" It may have ment something in the old PPC days, now they are Intel it's just a way to get more money from you.
 
altecXP said:
I hope you know that "Apple Compatible" means "Price parked up" It may have ment something in the old PPC days, now they are Intel it's just a way to get more money from you.
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And i hope for you, that you know, that the RAM market regulates itself. If you use a price search engine, then you will find Apple compatible (tested) RAM for only 10$ more than comparable not tested RAM. 10$ less is not worth the trouble, the risk or both.
 
So has anyone had any success with the 1866mhz memory ? Some of the reports at Newegg were rather positive..
What should i do, as i want those too..
Simply buy them and try them out ?
What about using them in Bootcamp ?
If it crashed because of the integrated graphics, wouldnt it be more stable in bootcamp ?

What about the 1600mhz ones, how much of a notable speed difference do they have in comparison to the 1866mhz ones?
 
imperialnavy said:
So has anyone had any success with the 1866mhz memory ? Some of the reports at Newegg were rather positive..
What should i do, as i want those too..
Simply buy them and try them out ?
What about using them in Bootcamp ?
If it crashed because of the integrated graphics, wouldnt it be more stable in bootcamp ?

What about the 1600mhz ones, how much of a notable speed difference do they have in comparison to the 1866mhz ones?
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Sheesh.

YOU WILL NEVER NOTICE THE SPEED DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 1333 MHZ AND 1600 MHZ IN THE REAL WORLD.

Hence, buy the CORRECT speed RAM, which is 1333 MHz. There are plenty of vendors out there who will sell it to you, including G.Skill, Crucial, Kingston, OWC, Samsung, etc.
 
All I can say is that the specifications listed by any brand for their device are there for some purpose. You have to abide by the specifications if you don't want to get such errors. I personally don't think that its a problem with the operating system at all. Its just a simple issue of incompatibility.
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What I would do.

return the father ram first. I know you crave for speed but you need something that will work. Go get either 2 4 gig chips or go to owc and get 1 8 gig chip and 1 4 gig or 2 8 gigs. That is the only thing that will work.
 
Naimfan said:
The point is that they CAN. Why take the risk when there is zero gain?
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They cannot as it is illegal to do so, they count on your being ignorant of the law to make you pay. Stop spreading BS.

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, read it, learn it, and use it.

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imperialnavy said:
What about the 1600mhz ones, how much of a notable speed difference do they have in comparison to the 1866mhz ones?
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None you'd notice in the real world except in very big number crunching scientific or engineering apps.
 
snaky69 said:
They cannot as it is illegal to do so, they count on your being ignorant of the law to make you pay. Stop spreading BS.

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, read it, learn it, and use it.

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Yes they can. One of us has practiced warranty/consumer protection law, and you are not the one. Using out of specification parts allows a manufacturer to disclaim the warranty. Welcome to the real world.

:rolleyes:

snaky69 said:
None you'd notice in the real world except in very big number crunching scientific or engineering apps.
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Which clearly is not at issue here. And even then, unit to unit variation will swamp the difference in throughput.
 
Well after digging some more, i might just give those 1866mhz modules a shot. Those who do some heavy gaming on those machines reported framerate increase. IF the performance gain is not noticeable at all or if i experience crashing, i will return them.

Any ideas when they release a CAS9 version ? It probably crashed as the 1866mhz modules that are available now are CAS11.
 
Naimfan said:
Yes they can. One of us has practiced warranty/consumer protection law, and you are not the one. Using out of specification parts allows a manufacturer to disclaim the warranty. Welcome to the real world.

:rolleyes:



Which clearly is not at issue here. And even then, unit to unit variation will swamp the difference in throughput.
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Why would they give you instructions and specifications of the correct RAM and hard drives to use in the owner manual and clearly say they are user replaceable parts? I don't need to be an attorney to read an owner's manual and understand it.

I may not have practiced the law, nor do I ever intend to, but you are still allowed to add compatible RAM and HD to your computer without voiding your warranty, so long as you don't happen to pour a pitcher of water over the laptop and using a sledgehammer on it in the process. Should they try to deny you warranty, they would have to prove you did damage other than install those parts.

No need to be condescending about it, it's clearly written black on white.
 
snaky69 said:
Why would they give you instructions and specifications of the correct RAM and hard drives to use in the owner manual and clearly say they are user replaceable parts? I don't need to be an attorney to read an owner's manual and understand it.

I may not have practiced the law, nor do I ever intend to, but you are still allowed to add compatible RAM and HD to your computer without voiding your warranty, so long as you don't happen to pour a pitcher of water over the laptop and using a sledgehammer on it in the process. Should they try to deny you warranty, they would have to prove you did damage other than install those parts.
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Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. I've always said that RAM and hard drives ARE user replaceable parts, because Apple specifically states that they are.

However, 1866 MHz and 1600 MHz RAM are NOT listed as being "compatible" by Apple. Apple specifies 1333 MHz RAM ONLY - hence, using any other speed CAN be used by Apple to void the warranty because the computer has been modified without permission. That means no proof of damage is even necessary. Perhaps you would like to direct our attention to where Apple states that 1600 MHz RAM is "compatible?" We'll wait. I direct your attention to page 44 of "Everything Mac" booklet in the box of a new 13" Macbook Pro, which specifies 1333 MHz RAM ONLY.

So if you want to take that chance, go for it - but it's on you. Similarly, to suggest that other people take the chance is simply irresponsible.
 
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