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golfnut1982

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For those who are interested in seeing the difference again, here you go. The overall dimensions grew a bit, but when you square off the case versus taper it for visual effects this is what you get. I think it looks "Pro-rific". Had to use the Wayback Machine to get the older specifications. https://web.archive.org/web/20210927090726/https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-16/specs/

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Yes, the new 16-inch Pro is slightly bigger than the previous model, which was slightly bigger than the 15-inch it replaced. The problem for me is that the 16-inch Pro is now considerably heavier than the 15-inch Pro with TouchBar and about the same weight as the 15-inch Pro released in 2012.
 
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Bigger, heavier, uglier, old ports. Feels like 2015. I miss jony ive. ?

They should’ve kept 2019 design and only added magsafe, and removed the touch bar.

Btw, the old 2019 MBP is still on apples website for comparsion side by side to the new ones.
 
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Say what you want, but all they really did was square off the body to make room for ports and get rid of the taper. Not much difference in height or weight. Apple added back features we all missed and added new mini LED display with ProMotion. Good to see. No More useless dongles.
 
What do you mean "no more useless dongles". If you use compact flash cards. That's a dongle. Ethernet? That's a dongle. USB A flash drives? That's a dongle.

Using dongles was never a problem. But people whined and now we have an out of date HDMI 2.0 port and an SD card slot that most will never use. I would have rather had a 4th universal TB4 port!

But I still have on on order a 16" M1 Max/32 GB/2TB machine. :)

Don
 
Ok, so use the dongles then. If not, stick with SD cards, wireless and a usb C drive. I got the M1 Pro on order too :) I'll miss my 2019 16" MBP this winter...I'm trading it in.
 
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You know what's even funnier about the legacy HDMI 2.0 port on these new MBPs. If you have need for HDMI 2.1 you still need to use a dongle! There is some irony in all this.

LMAO.

Don
 
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The problem for me is that the 16-inch Pro is now considerably heavier than the 15-inch Pro with TouchBar and about the same weight as the 15-inch Pro released in 2012.
It's not that the previous 16" or the Retina 15" Macbooks had ever been "too heavy" - seriously, 2kg for such a powerful and versatile machine is unmatched. The (crappy) 15" models with touchbar were simply too light. For just 200g less you had to make serious compromises on the keyboard, thermals, ports and reliability (flexgate). I rather carry +10% but have the ultimate portable machine. The same goes for the 14" by the way (heavier than the touchbar 13" models, but same weight as the 2013-2015 models)

Bigger, heavier, uglier, old ports. Feels like 2015. I miss jony ive. ?
They should’ve kept 2019 design and only added magsafe, and removed the touch bar.
Dunno if just trolling, but thank goodness, we have function over design finally prevailing again.

Say what you want, but all they really did was square off the body to make room for ports and get rid of the taper.
Indeed, and actually the ports aren't even at fault, the primary benefits are generous batteries, even better speakers and an improved cooling system. That old tapered design might have looked a bit more sleek, but didn't provide any actual for the pro users.

But people whined and now we have an out of date HDMI 2.0 port and an SD card slot that most will never use. I would have rather had a 4th universal TB4 port
Arrogance at its best ?. Just because YOU don't need them doesn't mean the wide majority plus pretty much every reviewer is more than happy about the return of legacy useful ports. The SoC limits the maximum amount of total bandwidth, that's the only reason why the HDMI port is "just" 2.0 - which is still more than sufficient for its purpose - having the convenience to directly plug your Macbook into a TV, projector or monitor without any stupid dongle (most of them having reliability issues btw). It take this and the UHS-II SDXC slot, which is super helpful not only for many photographers but even more music/producing/DJ enthusiasts, over a useless and redundant 4th TB port anytime. One of those ports was occupied for charging anyway, so unless you charge via your home monitor, you can simply use Magsafe now - no port lost.

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Sure, for (some) people who did the mistake and bought a 2016-2019 model together with several dongles, those returned ports might feel 'useless'. But imagine, there are plenty of people including me that still own 2010-2015 Macbooks, the ones with plenty of ports, Magsafe and no silly Touchbour. For us, these new machines finally became Pro again. I bet the selling numbers will prove that just within a few months.

You know what's even funnier about the legacy HDMI 2.0 port on these new MBPs. If you have need for HDMI 2.1 you still need to use a dongle!
The most funny part is that you can simply continue to use your TB dongle for that. Again, that HDMI port serves another purpose. You still have three TB4 ports. That's absolutely sufficient for 90% of all users, especially on the go. For home and everyone else, you can simply use or a dock and/or daisy-chaining.
 
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I've been waiting for them to make something like the 14" for years, but I don't see an issue with the 16", I much prefer it to my 2013 15". I am absolutely onboard with the current design. Though for sure that notch should have been for FaceID.
 
My issue with the HDMI port is not that it is there, but that there is a far better solution.

The same people that complained about the loss of MagSafe were usually the same people that complained about loss of HDMI.

As we all know, people complained about loss of MagSafe because they had concerns about accidentally dragging the computer to the floor. However, these same people have no concerns about an HDMI cable attached to the computer/projector, cable getting snagged and computer dragged to a floor.

Now, here is the better solution. Buy an Apple TV. Connect that to the projector and then AirPlay the presentation to the projector through Apple TV. This way both devices are isolated and less chance of an accident. This is a far better solution than an HDMI port on the MBP.

Don

BTW. Agreed that MagSafe saves a TB4 port. Plus I am not certain that you can get 140 watts over a TB4 cable.
 
My issue with the HDMI port is not that it is there, but that there is a far better solution.

The same people that complained about the loss of MagSafe were usually the same people that complained about loss of HDMI.

As we all know, people complained about loss of MagSafe because they had concerns about accidentally dragging the computer to the floor. However, these same people have no concerns about an HDMI cable attached to the computer/projector, cable getting snagged and computer dragged to a floor.

Now, here is the better solution. Buy an Apple TV. Connect that to the projector and then AirPlay the presentation to the projector through Apple TV. This way both devices are isolated and less chance of an accident. This is a far better solution than an HDMI port on the MBP.

Don

BTW. Agreed that MagSafe saves a TB4 port. Plus I am not certain that you can get 140 watts over a TB4 cable.
You must not travel for presentations. All of the projectors and presentation tvs are HDMI.
 
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Let's be real... I shall buy an extra Apple TV for 200 bucks and carry this around for my presentations or spontaneous movie nights at home / the hotel? Is this really a far better solution than plug-and-play ready HDMI port directly integrated in my Macbook? I doubt so. This is another example of what I meant with ideal home studio conditions (where you may in fact utilize all 4 TB ports, set up all dongles and docks, have everything prepared) vs "real world" situations of most users (who actually use their notebooks on the go as well, rather have standard ports integrated than forgetting a dongle, want to plug and play with TVs and projectors, etc...)

That's why I strongly believe the current 3x TB + Magsafe + HDMI + SDXC combination caters for notably more users than just 4x TB + nothing. Apple understood and corrected their port selection.

Yes, Magsafe can save your Macbook from dragging, but it is even more. First, you have a handy status LED, both for charging and PRAM reset (it has saved my ass twice when my MBP decided to do very funny things, lol). Second, it is just faster to connect and disconnect, as it automatically latches to the port. And third (and most important), USB-C ports tend to wear out quite quickly. They are quite prone to leverage movement damage (another thing where also HDMI is more robust) which can result in loose contact, which will never happen with Magsafe. Because it isn't a real port, more like a magnetic docking area. In the worst case, just the surrounding surface may get some scratches over a (long) time. But it will still work just fine.

Agreed that MagSafe saves a TB4 port. Plus I am not certain that you can get 140 watts over a TB4 cable.
You are correct here, when getting the 16" model you can only benefit from fast charge via MagSafe, as TB4 is limited to "just" 100W. However, I don't believe this is a big issue when charging overnight mostly. It may even benefit battery health (less heat).
 
Yes. I do do presentations on the road. And, yes I bring an Apple TV and plug it into the projector. This way I am isolated from the projector and can be any place in the room and not be tethered to a HDMI cable.
 
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Yes. I do do presentations on the road. And, yes I bring an Apple TV and plug it into the projector. This way I am isolated from the projector and can be any place in the room and not be tethered to a HDMI cable.

Agreed. Apple TV is the best way to do presentations with HDMI since it is always easy to put the tiny Apple TV box on an HDMI and then you are free to put the Mac wherever you like.
 
Exactly. It’s great not being tethered to the projector. And, if you are at a podium the laptop can act a little as a teleprompter.
 
Agreed. Apple TV is the best way to do presentations with HDMI since it is always easy to put the tiny Apple TV box on an HDMI and then you are free to put the Mac wherever you like.

Until one day the AppleTV doesn’t work
Or you forget to bring it
Or there’s no power available near the projector because the previous speaker is using it before you so then when it’s your turn you have to plug in the ATV to power and HDMI, wait for it to turn on, make sure you‘re connected to the same network as the macbook (or that the macbook isn’t connected to wifi so it can share to the ATV) and then Airplay while everyone is staring at you

Sure, if you always get to present on your home turf, or if you’re the only speaker then it sounds like an elegant solution.

But many people don’t have that luxury e.g. most medical conferences I attend you have to be ready to go immediately that the previous speaker finishes. Any time you spend getting connected is time lost to present.

In this context, being able to plug in a single HDMI and have it work seamlessly *every time* and without having to remember if I’ve left my dongle in my bag back in my seat halfway down the room or stress about whether my ATV will work is peace of mind.
 
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You must not travel for presentations. All of the projectors and presentation tvs are HDMI.
May be a lucky exception, most places where I run presentations have apple tv - either stand alone or built into the large flat screens. My 2012 i7 MBA does fine connecting to those, and just in case I carry an HDMI dongle - never ever had to use it.
 
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Is it, really?
Nothing lasts for ever, but I’m yet to see USB C in the wild at any conference/seminar rooms where I work. Though given COVID tech teams probably aren’t investing in physical presentation spaces at the moment.

Problem is it took until about ~2015 for my VGA adapter to become redundent - it was only then that I could be certain that there would be HDMI available. HDMI only forced VGA out because projectors were moving to 1080 and VGA couldn’t support it. HDMI will only disappear when all projectors AND wall plates AND HDMI based AV hubs in the rooms are replaced - going to take a very long time and we’ll be facing with a mix of USB C and HDMI for about 10 years as we did with VGA

IF USB C remains the predominant connector….
 
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May be a lucky exception, most places where I run presentations have apple tv - either stand alone or built into the large flat screens. My 2012 i7 MBA does fine connecting to those, and just in case I carry an HDMI dongle - never ever had to use it.
In at least 5 years, I've encountered one place I've been to that was set up that way, and it wasn't even a place I was presenting or doing business with. I surprised my best friend at work for his birthday and his office was set up with Apple TVs.
 
The people bitching about 'dongles' here are the same people that have their batteries swell up after a few years because their laptop never leaves their desk.
 
I love what Apple has done with the pro laptop lines

I wonder if the hate comes from people whose workflow don’t need this power. Every serious pro I know has said for years they don’t need Apple to shave millimeters off the case or worry about 8 ounces saved when they have often travel with a hundred pounds of equipment or lose hours of productivity compiling or applying filters or rendering. Every pro hated dongles. What they need is the most powerful and complete tool for the job—otherwise they would just buy the air.

And every one of these pros has spent $3-6k on these new machines. They’ve waited for years for them, and are elated to finally be able to buy a Mac that served their workflow.

Honestly, I think most of the comments here are from people who don’t need these machine, don’t value the trade offs Apple made, and are just nitpicking. And if it wasn’t the notch or shape, it would be something else.
 
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You must not travel for presentations. All of the projectors and presentation tvs are HDMI.
TBH, I feel a lot safer to travel with a dongle that has not only HDMI but also DP, maybe also VGA, never knows what they have.
At least a bit safer than an HDMI only.
And I got some other ports to use too, just in case.
 
TBH, I feel a lot safer to travel with a dongle that has not only HDMI but also DP, maybe also VGA, never knows what they have.
At least a bit safer than an HDMI only.
And I got some other ports to use too, just in case.
I guess I'm lucky every place I've presented in (which is a lot) have all had HDMI connectivity. I refused to end up in dongle hell. I rejected that laptop life.
 
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