8th gen KBR in 13inch MBP

[pixelpirate]

Was about to purchase the 13 MBP for BF, though I figured out it would make more sense to wait for the 8th gen processor since the increase in multi core performance is massive.

Any ideas when apple will refresh the line?

 

[maflynn]

Was about to purchase the 13 MBP for BF, though I figured out it would make more sense to wait for the 8th gen processor since the increase in multi core performance is massive.

Any ideas when apple will refresh the line?

2018, It all depends on when Intel releases the chips.

 

[leman]

Any ideas when apple will refresh the line?

Some time after Intel releases the CPUs The current 8-gen KL comes with a cut-down GPU, so you'd be trading a CPU increase for a substantial GPU decrease.

 

[gobikerider]

Was about to purchase the 13 MBP for BF, though I figured out it would make more sense to wait for the 8th gen processor since the increase in multi core performance is massive.

Any ideas when apple will refresh the line?

It’ll probably be at WWDC again so next June

 

[fokmik]

Some time after Intel releases the CPUs The current 8-gen KL comes with a cut-down GPU, so you'd be trading a CPU increase for a substantial GPU decrease.

Are you sure the igpu will be a substantial decrease?

 

[Poki]

Are you sure the igpu will be a substantial decrease?

The UHD620 is just a rebrand of the HD620, which itself was just a slightly higher clocked HD520. So yeah, it is indeed quite a bit slower than the Iris Plus Apple currently uses. Seems like the nTB MBP needs to use these chips if Intel doesn't add more 15W CPUs, while the Touch Bar MBP probably will see a return of Iris graphics due to using 28W chips.

 

[leman]

Are you sure the igpu will be a substantial decrease?

You can look the specs (and the benchmarks) up yourself. Its 24 GPU cores clocked at 1150 vs. 48 GPU cores clocked at 1050 (and in addition being backed up 64MB of eDRAM L4 cache).

The problem is that all these things are not properly advertised and so you get this impression that Macs are hopelessly outdated, while in fact, the higher-end CPU configurations that Apple traditionally uses are simply not released yet.

Seems like the nTB MBP needs to use these chips if Intel doesn't add more 15W CPUs, while the Touch Bar MBP probably will see a return of Iris graphics due to using 28W chips.

It would kind of make sense to give the cut-down GPU to the nTB model while keeping the Iris Pro in the TB model, in order to further differentiate the capabilities of the machines, even though this would be a downgrade for the nTB model... Lets hope that Apple keeps the better GPU configs across the board.

 

[gobikerider]

You can look the specs (and the benchmarks) up yourself. Its 24 GPU cores clocked at 1150 vs. 48 GPU cores clocked at 1050 (and in addition being backed up 64MB of eDRAM L4 cache).

The problem is that all these things are not properly advertised and so you get this impression that Macs are hopelessly outdated, while in fact, the higher-end CPU configurations that Apple traditionally uses are simply not released yet.



It would kind of make sense to give the cut-down GPU to the nTB model while keeping the Iris Pro in the TB model, in order to further differentiate the capabilities of the machines, even though this would be a downgrade for the nTB model... Lets hope that Apple keeps the better GPU configs across the board.

They would, intel has always made a 15w chip with the higher end graphics, that isn’t going to change now. Most likely will see the chips themselves announced around ces

 

[leman]

They would, intel has always made a 15w chip with the higher end graphics, that isn’t going to change now. Most likely will see the chips themselves announced around ces

I hope so, but Intel seems to be diverging from its typical recipes lately. For instance, would a quad-core CPU even work if they upconfig the GPU? It seems to me that much of the CPU boost comes from optimising its thermal profile, which probably leaves not much for a GPU. Similarly, they are reportedly pairing Kaby Lake with Vega GPUs (listed as 65W packages). At this point, I don't think we can rely on what Intel was doing before.

 

[gobikerider]

I hope so, but Intel seems to be diverging from its typical recipes lately. For instance, would a quad-core CPU even work if they upconfig the GPU? It seems to me that much of the CPU boost comes from optimising its thermal profile, which probably leaves not much for a GPU. Similarly, they are reportedly pairing Kaby Lake with Vega GPUs (listed as 65W packages). At this point, I don't think we can rely on what Intel was doing before.

I don’t see anything changing, worst case scenario they donwlclock the gpu but it isn’t going to efffect much as the edram in those gpu is the secret sauce.

 

[fokmik]

so the current touchbar 13" MBP has a better iGPU than the upcoming 13" MBP touchbar with 8th Intel?

 

[leman]

so the current touchbar 13" MBP has a better iGPU than the upcoming 13" MBP touchbar with 8th Intel?

The current Touch-Bar (and non-touchbar) MBP has better iGPU than Surface Book 2 or the Dell XPS 13". Thats all. We know absolutely nothing about the upcoming MBP. It could use AMD CPUs or an ARM CPU or some sort of alien tech Apple has been back-enineering in secret.

 

[Poki]

It seems to me that much of the CPU boost comes from optimising its thermal profile, which probably leaves not much for a GPU.

That's what I thought, until AMD showed us their Ryzen Mobile chips. These APUs pack quad-core CPUs which can almost compete with Intel's 8th gen 15W CPUs while packing a GPU that even beats the Iris Plus 650. So I guess it's possible, but that doesn't mean that Intel is able to do it.