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9600M GT worse than 8800M GTX

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pyromaniaque

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Well..Ask your mother.
Do ya'll realize that the 8800M GT outperforms the 9600M GT? No I'm not talking about the 8600M GT..

Why would nVidia make something with a bigger number, and have Apple try to pass it off as "the next best thing"?

The 8800 GT revolutionized graphics cards with nVidia's first unified shader architecture in my opinion, and Apple returns us with this piece of crap on the Macbook Pro? When will we start paying for actual quality components?

Code: 
                     8600M GT..............8800M GT..............9600M GT

Stream Processors:    32                    96                    32
Core Clock:           475MHz                500MHz                500MHz
Shader Clock:         950MHz                1250MHz               1250MHz
Memory Clock:         800mhz                1600MHz               900MHz
Memory:               512MB                 512MB                 512MB
Memory interface:     128bit                256bit                128bit
Memory Bandwidth:     22.4 GB/s             51.2 GB/s             25.6 GB/s
Shader Process Rate:  91.2 gigaflops        360 gigaflops         312 gigaflops
As you can see with your own eyes, the 9600M isn't even that much of an improvement than the 8600GT, and can't even beat the 8800GT.

Apple, please stop putting February 2008 GPUs in Late 2008 products.
 
Yes the 9600M is a rebranded 8650M, which is a mid-range card, and the 8800M GTX is a high end gaming card.
 
Code: 
                     8600M GT..............8800M GT..............9600M GT

Stream Processors:    32                    96                    32
Core Clock:           475MHz                500MHz                500MHz
Shader Clock:         950MHz                1250MHz               1250MHz
Memory Clock:         800mhz                1600MHz               900MHz
Memory:               512MB                 512MB                 512MB
Memory interface:     128bit                256bit                128bit
Memory Bandwidth:     22.4 GB/s             51.2 GB/s             25.6 GB/s
Shader Process Rate:  91.2 gigaflops        360 gigaflops         312 gigaflops
 
Yep, we are picky, just note for the next time that using code tags make tabbed lists easier to read.

Code: 
			8600M GT	8800M GT	9600M GT
Stream Processors:	32		96		32
Core Clock:		475MHz		500MHz		500MHz

And the hint is to use text edit and simply cut and past the list a couple of times, while using preview. Since the tabs and the text have no relation under the code.
 
Ok how do I try and put this?

just because apple stepped up to the 9000 series doesnt mean that all of the cards with in that range will outperform the 8000 series.

The x800(9800 gtx or 8800 gtx) is meant for serious gaming laptops that are usually 2" or thicker.
The x600(9600 or 8600) are meant for causal users. Apple is limited to the 600 series because of heat.

So I hope you now understand why it is only proper to compare the 9600 to the older 8600. Do not compare the 9600 to the 8800.
 
pyromaniaque said:
Do ya'll realize that the 8800M GT outperforms the 9600M GT? No I'm not talking about the 8600M GT..

Why would nVidia make something with a bigger number, and have Apple try to pass it off as "the next best thing"?

The 8800 GT revolutionized graphics cards with nVidia's first unified shader architecture in my opinion, and Apple returns us with this piece of crap on the Macbook Pro? When will we start paying for actual quality components?

Code: 
                     8600M GT..............8800M GT..............9600M GT

Stream Processors:    32                    96                    32
Core Clock:           475MHz                500MHz                500MHz
Shader Clock:         950MHz                1250MHz               1250MHz
Memory Clock:         800mhz                1600MHz               900MHz
Memory:               512MB                 512MB                 512MB
Memory interface:     128bit                256bit                128bit
Memory Bandwidth:     22.4 GB/s             51.2 GB/s             25.6 GB/s
Shader Process Rate:  91.2 gigaflops        360 gigaflops         312 gigaflops
As you can see with your own eyes, the 9600M isn't even that much of an improvement than the 8600GT, and can't even beat the 8800GT.

Apple, please stop putting February 2008 GPUs in Late 2008 products.
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Our cards are mid-range. For example, our card is similar the BMW 3-Series car with xxx amount of HP in the engine.

The 8800M is like a 5-Series with xxx HP in the engine.

Just because the 8600M is "Older" and our 9600GT is "Newer" doesn't mean its going to outperform every single card in the older generation.

You just fell into the marketing trap.
 
We are paying WAY much more than average for the MacBook Pro. Give me 800 dollars, and i can get a laptop with comparable stats, Yet apple rewards us with a peace of crap graphics card? So unfair.
 
neonblue2 said:
When has Apple ever put high-end GPUs in their Pro laptops?

The Mobility Radeons 9700, X600 and X1600, and the GeForces 8600M and 9600M are all mid-range.
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The only Mac with "Pro" cards is the Mac Pro (Nvidia Quadro FX 4500 and Nvidia Quadro FX 5600 options). The new Mac Pro with ATI Radeon HD 4870 is still good enough too.
 
Jurwin said:
Lol, not even the mac pro comes with the best GPU available. And no the HD4870 with 512mb is no the highest. Ati makes HD 4870 with 1024mb and HD 4870 x2.
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Still, the Mac Pro has the 3rd best ATI GPU (excluding ATI FireGL cards).
 
I was gonna counter with maybe they use mid-range cards due to laptop thermal envelopes as an excuse but they don't even ship high end cards in the highest end machine...the Mac Pro. So my argument doesn't fly

Conclusion: Apple are cheap when it comes to GPUs
 
I'm very happy with the performance of the 9600M GT. Is anyone else? There is always something better and faster out there.

Only thing Apple can't argue is battery life - they gave us the 9400M for better battery life and the dedicated GPU for high performance. They should have given an option for a higher spec GPU.

But I'm happy with the 9600M GT.
 
Yeah i would love to have a higher spec GPU in my MBP. But then again better GPU means more heat means no more 1 inch MBP. And i sure prefer that too the advantage of better GPU. I prefer to comprise on the GPU than the size.:D

And there are not tha many laptops that come with higher spec GPUs except the odd alienware or sager thing. And they aer huge in size. And anw i think a real pro option would be nvidia quadro and Ati Fire GL and not a 9800 or 8800.
 
kabunaru said:
The MacBook Pro should have had some Nvidia Quadro or ATI FireGL card as standard.
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lol i'd like to see anyone get a quadro gpu into a macbook pro, you come up with two problems, the first is HEAT, that gpu is bloody hot second your adding a 1k+ gpu to a 2-3k laptop?


and on topic, the 9 series is a revamped 8series.
 
They could have given us the 9800M which still is a BEAST and runs relatively cool, but nooooooo, let's pay 2K and get a piece of **** gfx card, that only runs intense games (like crysis) on medium. I want a card where I can turn shaders to max, anti-aliasing to max and all that good stuff...We want to pay for quality.
 
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