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I'm a guy who impulse bought 5 Grape puck mice the other day. Here they are:

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So, just a nice photo-op, and that's all, right?

Not quite.

I'd heard that the Puck Mice were manufactured in multiple different facilities, and was curious to see if there was any evidence for that. Fortunately, there was, and I didn't even need to look at the motherboards.

Out of the 5 pucks I bought, 3 of them had a very similar serial number, starting with "LC9" and ending "FL8". These three all looked relatively the same, so no surprises there, they were probably made in the same factory.

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Then we have an older puck without a notch. Some will be aware that these pucks had a minor revision done to them at some point in 1999 (but I can't work out when), in which a notch was added to the button.

Here is a picture of a notched model beside the older no-notch, because I couldn't find any picture online that actually shows the difference. (Without the right camera angle, you can't even see the difference.)

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The no-notch model has the serial number "LC9" and ends "F9P". The plastics all look the same to me, so perhaps this was done in that same factory. Personally, I don't like the notch; it was an unnecessary 'improvement', and the button feels better without it.

Then we have our real outlier. The last puck is clearly different, at least in person. The plastics are much more translucent, with the green motherboard being quite visible. The purple plastic is less milky and much shinier. It also feels smoother to the touch.

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And sure enough, the serial number is completely different, including the font:

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This model has a notch, so it can't be an original model. But to add to the confusion, the ball inside it is white/grey rather than white/blue, which was the ball only meant to be found with the original Bondi Blue pucks. Perhaps this was not the original ball that came with this exact puck, but nonetheless, more mystery...
Furthermore, anyone who has used a puck mouse will know it makes a substantial, satisfying clicking sound. But this strange puck has a rather tinny click, like the kind you'd expect on a five dollar mouse. I do admit, this puck looks pretty cool, even if it isn't a correct model.

So, did Apple fail with its quality control on some of its puck mice? From a sample size of five, I can't really guess how many of these extra-tranluscent pucks were made. I think Apple's main quality control concern was that the purple colour was correct and matched the iMac G3 and keyboard; perhaps the degree of translucency and the click-feel was not as important.

Anyway, here endeth the ramblings. I'd love to hear from more puck owners what their serial numbers are, and whether they have noticed any of these differences on their own mice.

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Oh... and I almost forgot: I'm trying to collect every colour of puck mouse. If anyone is willing to help me, I would be most grateful and am happy to pay for them. But there's a catch – I only want pucks without the notch!
 
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I'm a guy who impulse bought 5 Grape puck mice the other day. Here they are:

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So, just a nice photo-op, and that's all, right?

Not quite.

I'd heard that the Puck Mice were manufactured in multiple different facilities, and was curious to see if there was any evidence for that. Fortunately, there was, and I didn't even need to look at the motherboards.

Out of the 5 pucks I bought, 3 of them had a very similar serial number, starting with "LC9" and ending "FL8". These three all looked relatively the same, so no surprises there, they were probably made in the same factory.

View attachment 1828576

Then we have an older puck without a notch. Some will be aware that these pucks had a minor revision done to them at some point in 1999 (but I can't work out when), in which a notch was added to the button.

Here is a picture of a notched model beside the older no-notch, because I couldn't find any picture online that actually shows the difference. (Without the right camera angle, you can't even see the difference.)

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The no-notch model has the serial number "LT9" and ends "F9P". The plastics all look the same to me, so perhaps this was done in that same factory. Personally, I don't like the notch; it was an unnecessary 'improvement', and the button feels better without it.

Then we have our real outlier. The last puck is clearly different, at least in person. The plastics are much more translucent, with the green motherboard being quite visible. The purple plastic is less milky and much shinier. It also feels smoother to the touch.

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And sure enough, the serial number is completely different, including the font:

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This model has a notch, so it can't be an original model. But to add to the confusion, the ball inside it is white/grey rather than white/blue, which was the ball only meant to be found with the original Bondi Blue pucks. Perhaps this was not the original ball that came with this exact puck, but nonetheless, more mystery...
Furthermore, anyone who has used a puck mouse will know it makes a substantial, satisfying clicking sound. But this strange puck has a rather tinny click, like the kind you'd expect on a five dollar mouse. I do admit, this puck looks pretty cool, even if it isn't a correct model.

So, did Apple fail with its quality control on some of its puck mice? From a sample size of five, I can't really guess how many of these extra-tranluscent pucks were made. I think Apple's main quality control concern was that the purple colour was correct and matched the iMac G3 and keyboard; perhaps the degree of translucency and the click-feel was not as important.

Anyway, here endeth the ramblings. I'd love to hear from more puck owners what their serial numbers are, and whether they have noticed any of these differences on their own mice.

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Oh... and I almost forgot: I'm trying to collect every colour of puck mouse. If anyone is willing to help me, I would be most grateful and am happy to pay for them. But there's a catch – I only want pucks without the notch!

Your post has confirmed for me what I’ve long wondered: whether there were OEM fruit-hued puck mice with the finger ridge/notch. I have long thought only the platinum puck mice received that mid-run revision since they also came bundled with Power Mac G4s.
 
Doesn’t matter these sucked bad back then and took Apple 1 year later to come out with Pro optical mouse.
 
Your post has confirmed for me what I’ve long wondered: whether there were OEM fruit-hued puck mice with the finger ridge/notch. I have long thought only the platinum puck mice received that mid-run revision since they also came bundled with Power Mac G4s.
By platinum you mean graphite?
Well, I think the first graphite pucks came out with the Power Mac G4 and iMac Special Edition, and by that time (Sept 1999) the ridge had been applied to all pucks.

In other words, I think there were no-notch pucks in all colours except for graphite, which was notch-only. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong though!
 
By platinum you mean graphite?

Yes, graphite, not platinum. Brain, tired.

Well, I think the first graphite pucks came out with the Power Mac G4 and iMac Special Edition, and by that time (Sept 1999) the ridge had been applied to all pucks.

Had it? I do remember the puck mouse with my Power Mac G4 (delivered November that year) featured the ridge/notch, but by the same token, I was doing a lot of contracting at ad agencies at the time and had already worked on at least one Mac which was in (yes) graphite, with mice lacking the ridge/notch. In fact, I recall the one which shipped with my forlorn Yikes! box being the first puck mouse I’d used which featured that finger ridge/notch.

Then again, anecdata are not data! :)

In other words, I think there were no-notch pucks in all colours except for graphite, which was notch-only. I'd be delighted to be proven wrong though!

I’d be equally interested to learn whether anyone can produce a definitive example of a notchless/ridgeless graphite puck mouse! As I look at release dates on Everymac, I’m taking note how the initial Power Mac G4s went on sale about five weeks prior to the slot-load graphite SE iMac was announced for sale (31 August versus 5 October, respectively). I do know that I had worked with at least one graphite G4 sometime between their release and when the one I bought was shipped to me (which would amount to probably a ten-week window, give or take).
 
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In regards to their opaqueness, I see the green circuit board just fine on my grape puck mouse. Curiously, the bondi puck mouse while also having a green circuit board seems to have some sort of off white/grayish shielding on top of the pcb.
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I wonder if this is a further revision in the design? I’ve not noticed that before this thread:D
 
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In regards to their opaqueness, I see the green circuit board just fine on my grape puck mouse. Curiously, the bondi puck mouse while also having a green circuit board seems to have some sort of off white/grayish shielding on top of the pcb.
View attachment 1828904I wonder if this is a further revision in the design? I’ve not noticed that before this thread:D
I am able to see the green circuit board on all my grape pucks, as you may see from the photos I shared. I was just drawing attention to one that was extremely translucent.

Just looking on eBay, it does seem that the Bondi Blue pucks do have that shielding over the motherboard. So yes, there does seem to be a subtle design change. I bet that was to mimic the way that iMacs became progressively more translucent from the original 1998 model through the 1999 fruit models.
 
Here’s a bondi, graphite and grape puck mouse. Yep, different SN’s.
View attachment 1828895All of mine are the later revision with finger divot.
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Thanks for sharing this. So it seems that the "MN" manufacturer made Bondi pucks as well as my unusually translucent grape one. But as we see from your photos, your Bondi mouse looks relatively normal.

The mystery continues as to why that mouse looks so different.

I did have some confusion about notched Bondi blue mice. Who knows when they were made? As far as I thought, the Bondi iMacs were discontinued in January 1999 when the fruit colours were released. But the notched puck hadn't come out at that stage. So where do those notched Bondi mice come from?
 
Posting my ridge and unridged blueberry mouses.
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The unridged one (with the yellow cable) is from a Powermac G3 set I got a while ago - hauled home a Studio Display 21", Powermac G3, with the associated keyboard and mouse. It was used by a graphic designer and seems to have been purchased sometime in 1998. The ridged one is from a slot loading iMac DV SE (i think) that had been used as a prop at a local IKEA, unsure of what year. I do notice the difference in click sound, the same way you described, but I'd say the click feels the same.

For fun, here's a comparison of both of the keyboards:
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It appears to be a change in shielding like you said, but I also think it was the start of making things less and less translucent as Apple slowly morphed away from full translucency to the more neutral milk white and brushed aluminum look.
 
Posting my ridge and unridged blueberry mouses.
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The unridged one (with the yellow cable) is from a Powermac G3 set I got a while ago - hauled home a Studio Display 21", Powermac G3, with the associated keyboard and mouse. It was used by a graphic designer and seems to have been purchased sometime in 1998. The ridged one is from a slot loading iMac DV SE (i think) that had been used as a prop at a local IKEA, unsure of what year. I do notice the difference in click sound, the same way you described, but I'd say the click feels the same.

For fun, here's a comparison of both of the keyboards:View attachment 1829568

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It appears to be a change in shielding like you said, but I also think it was the start of making things less and less translucent as Apple slowly morphed away from full translucency to the more neutral milk white and brushed aluminum look.

Thanks for sharing all of this, that's great!

So it seems like we continue to see pucks manufactured from "LC"/"LT" and "MN", though the build quality between these are not necessarily different in all cases.

You're right of course that Apple was moving away from full translucency in some aspects, but in others it was trying to be more translucent. What I mean is that the 1998 Bondi iMac was not very see-through in the back; Steve Jobs emphasised in both the 1999 iMac DV (fruits) and Summer 2000 iMac (indigo/ruby/sage) models that the goal had been to make the iMacs even more see-through. But the purpose had shifted from showing customers the inside of their computer, and more about the aesthetic beauty of clearer colours.

This notion seems to reflect the change in 2000 to the clear acrylic Pro Keyboard and Mouse. The intention was no longer to showcase the internals, but to use translucency for an aesthetic purpose.

However, whether the puck mice were made more or less translucent over time seems to be unclear (no pun intended) as of now. @Certificate's Bondi one above shows more shielding than the (presumably) later grape one, while your later ridged one is more shielded.

Very interesting stuff!

(Just some quick corrections to what you said above: the first Power Mac B&Ws were released in early 1999, not 98; and the ridged blueberry would've come from an iMac DV – DV SE with puck only came in graphite.)
 
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Doesn’t matter these sucked bad back then and took Apple 1 year later to come out with Pro optical mouse.
It does matter. A lot!
This is a very informative thread and thankfully we have keen posters like the OP who enjoy sharing their finds with other forum members. This is what makes MacRumors such a great site, certainly not for those who scornfully denigrate others who have a genuine interest in providing historically interesting info on Mac hardware.

For added interest, these grape-coloured early iMac mice are - together with the lime green mice - extremely difficult to find, and have already become highly desirable by collectors. The cherry-coloured G3 mice are also somewhat scarce.
I found the above info on the different variants very interesting, which will prompt me to release a few of mine from their mousetraps ;) and check for any variants.
For other G3 mice-lovers, below is a photo I added on this site a few years back.....

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It does matter. A lot!
This is a very informative thread and thankfully we have keen posters like the OP who enjoy sharing their finds with other forum members. This is what makes MacRumors such a great site, certainly not for those who scornfully denigrate others who have a genuine interest in providing historically interesting info on Mac hardware.

For added interest, these grape-coloured early iMac mice are - together with the lime green mice - extremely difficult to find, and have already become highly desirable by collectors. The cherry-coloured G3 mice are also somewhat scarce.
I found the above info on the different variants very interesting, which will prompt me to release a few of mine from their mousetraps ;) and check for any variants.
For other G3 mice-lovers, below is a photo I added on this site a few years back.....

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This thread is what got me to finally begin collecting together all the places where Apple products were manufactured/assembled. I’d been meaning to do something like this for a while, but tabled it for a really long time.
 
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It does matter. A lot!
This is a very informative thread and thankfully we have keen posters like the OP who enjoy sharing their finds with other forum members. This is what makes MacRumors such a great site, certainly not for those who scornfully denigrate others who have a genuine interest in providing historically interesting info on Mac hardware.

For added interest, these grape-coloured early iMac mice are - together with the lime green mice - extremely difficult to find, and have already become highly desirable by collectors. The cherry-coloured G3 mice are also somewhat scarce.
I found the above info on the different variants very interesting, which will prompt me to release a few of mine from their mousetraps ;) and check for any variants.
For other G3 mice-lovers, below is a photo I added on this site a few years back.....

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Thanks for sharing! If you can pull your mice out and look at the serial numbers (and any other details), I'm sure we'd be interested to see.

If you or anyone else wants a Grape mouse, I'm not going to be keeping all 5. Happy to trade you for another colour, or just sell you one.

It's always interesting how the products that are most rare have become the most desirable... everyone loves the Sage iMac, and the G4 Cube, but Apple sure didn't sell very many at the time!
 
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A G4 cube is far more popular than the failed puck mouse. And those are getting hard to find.
While some see only ergonomic failure in the puck mouse, others only see a dull white box in the G4 Cube. I guess it's all a matter of taste!

Personally I was sceptical about the puck mouse until I actually got one. Now I use them daily on my retro macs. I even use them occasionally on modern macs and as a cursor for my iPad Pro.
 
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While some see only ergonomic failure in the puck mouse, others only see a dull white box in the G4 Cube. I guess it's all a matter of taste!

Personally I was sceptical about the puck mouse until I actually got one. Now I use them daily on my retro macs. I even use them occasionally on modern macs and as a cursor for my iPad Pro.

I realize @Macbookprodude is mostly grousing to himself here, but I used my hockey puck mouse throughout the entire life of having my Power Mac G4 (roughly six years). That mouse was the variant with the notch, which made using it very easy and intuitive without ever needing to look at it. If I had one nowadays, I’d certainly be using it!

Perhaps the only inconvenience I recall from heavy use — and this would be endemic to all rollerball mice across all eras — is the need to regularly clean the axial rollers with a swab and isopropyl alcohol.

As for the G4 Cube? I applaud the folks who keep the surviving ones alive! They never really resonated with me, though back when they were introduced, I had really hoped Apple would release limited edition versions in some alternate colour (such as ruby, indigo, sage, or even key lime).
 
I realize @Macbookprodude is mostly grousing to himself here, but I used my hockey puck mouse throughout the entire life of having my Power Mac G4 (roughly six years). That mouse was the variant with the notch, which made using it very easy and intuitive without ever needing to look at it. If I had one nowadays, I’d certainly be using it!

Perhaps the only inconvenience I recall from heavy use — and this would be endemic to all rollerball mice across all eras — is the need to regularly clean the axial rollers with a swab and isopropyl alcohol.

As for the G4 Cube? I applaud the folks who keep the surviving ones alive! They never really resonated with me, though back when they were introduced, I had really hoped Apple would release limited edition versions in some alternate colour (such as ruby, indigo, sage, or even key lime).
I am sorry what does grousing mean ? My english isn't that good. But back to puck mouse - i don't like it because it gave my hand problems. When Apple in 2001 released the Apple Pro Mouse, that was something I think is better than the puck mouse. i STILL use the black variant.
 
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Just noticed something else that deserved a mention.

On some of my puck mice, the back panel uses the 'blue' holographic, like the one on the original Bondi Blue iMac and tray-loading iMacs (behind the port door). But on other puck mice, the holographic is the 'graphite' one, whether the mouse itself is fruit-coloured or graphite.

I can't be sure, but I'm guessing that the puck mice adopted the graphite holographic back when the iMacs became slot-load. The graphite holo is the same as the one used on original Sawtooth G4 Power Macs (which was later removed with the Gigabit Ethernet models in 2000).

I've been confused by this aspect for a while, because it's obviously really easy to interchange the back panels of puck mice, so it's possible that some I own have already been swapped around in the past. Who knows.

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And, there are also some mice where the panel is upside-down:

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Just noticed something else that deserved a mention.

On some of my puck mice, the back panel uses the 'blue' holographic, like the one on the original Bondi Blue iMac and tray-loading iMacs (behind the port door). But on other puck mice, the holographic is the 'graphite' one, whether the mouse itself is fruit-coloured or graphite.

I can't be sure, but I'm guessing that the puck mice adopted the graphite holographic back when the iMacs became slot-load. The graphite holo is the same as the one used on original Sawtooth G4 Power Macs (which was later removed with the Gigabit Ethernet models in 2000).

I've been confused by this aspect for a while, because it's obviously really easy to interchange the back panels of puck mice, so it's possible that some I own have already been swapped around in the past. Who knows.

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And, there are also some mice where the panel is upside-down:

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Yep, my puck mice also vary between the blue of my grape and bondi puck mice and gray back of my graphte puck mouse. Yanno, I never caught on to the fact that some puck mice had a ridge on them nd others did not until this thread. Interesting stuff.
 
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Judging from @pakra 's post from earlier, I think I can confirm with some certainty:

The blue holographic changed to graphite on both the mice and keyboards with the release of the iMac DV (slot-loader) and Power Mac G4. This subtle change marked Apple's transition away from blue (i.e. Blue-and-White G3, Blueberry iMac and Clamshell) towards grey (Graphite G4, iMac and Clamshell).

At the same time, the no-notch changed to notched on all pucks, and the Graphite puck was added to the collection of mice.


In terms of collecting, it's quite obvious that the notched pucks are far more common (I'd say they represent more than 80%). Perhaps this equates to iMac sales data, but I'm not sure.
 
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Correction: I'm an idiot!
After thinking about these backwards puck mice, I realised that it's not a factory error – it's human error.

You can just remove the back panel and put it the right way again ?. Those backwards ones I've seen are just lazy people who put it on the wrong way after cleaning the ball.

Hey, at least I learned something.
 
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