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I say this as a lifelong PC user.
My Frankenstein PC is dying, and I will be "forced" to w11, which I do not want.
Tired of playing stupid games with m$, constant fighting privacy issues, etc., etc., etc...

So, I decided to swap evils, and ordered a Mac Mini M4 Pro.
Really wanting a Max, don't think I need, nor can afford an Ultra.

I can only think there is possibly a LOT more people with the same sentiment?
 
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$499 for M4 Mac mini is already aggressive, unless you mean easing up on storage and memory pricing.
 
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Yes, guess I am mostly thinking of power users, as I build my own systems,
The RAM pricing is very heavy to take.
 
$499 for M4 Mac mini is already aggressive, unless you mean easing up on storage and memory pricing.
Sorry being pedantic, but $599 right? Unless it's on sale somewhere?
Yes, guess I am mostly thinking of power users, as I build my own systems,
The RAM pricing is very heavy to take.
As a lifelong Mac user, I feel your pain here. The RAM upgrade pricing is perhaps the more understandable of the two as after Lunar Lake Intel reportedly will be abandoning Apple's approach of packaging memory with the chip as being too expensive*. And Apple does it with much greater memory capacities. Also at higher capacities and larger chips it can effectively double as VRAM for professional applications and we can look at what Nvidia and AMD charges for similar VRAM capacities. Geekerwan even made that point themselves in their recent M4 Max video I think - according to the translation (I don't speak Chinese) saying that if "Apple's pricing for memory is in gold, Nvidia's is in platinum" or something like that. Also now that the base is 16GB, at least most normal Mac buyers won't be hit by it as much. Still, the upgrading pricing at the lower levels is really, really high.

For storage there aren't quite the same level of exculpatory facts here. It's not that Apple doesn't do anything special with its SSDs - by all accounts its homegrown controller and security are excellent (not perfect by any means, but excellent) and it does add special chips to the SSD package, but these are not: "this totally excuses the soldering down and insanely high prices" levels of justification.

And in combo together? Eoof. I mean part of it is Apple's pricing strategy and in fairness people buying the base computers through channels get pretty good deals, but yeah if you want to BYO, Apple makes sure to collect that extra profit they're missing out from all the regular customers who never even see the upgrade pricing.

*Although not all the factors that hurt Intel would hurt Apple here - i.e. when packaging memory themselves Intel has to buy the memory and they want profit on then selling that, OEMs don't want to pay them and both passing on to the customers would make the overall chip too expensive, so Intel effectively sells the memory portion of the chip to the OEM at cost. Apple wouldn't suffer as much from this since they are both the chipmaker and the OEM and their pricing is already high. Still though some of it does hurt Apple too.
 
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Apple seems to have little-to-no interest in the volume game... only in maximizing profit on each unit sold. That's why even iPhone doesn't dominate on share. "Who makes the most profitable..." seems to be the driving force. It has worked well for them making them richest company in the world at any given time... without having to serve but just a relatively small slice of all the people on the planet.

I don't foresee this changing. I don't see them wanting big share... unless it's big share of profit.

Generally the same money will buy much more PC- especially if one is speccing up RAM & internal storage. Apple could compete on that- conceptually even undercut that- but Apple seems to be striving towards 50% margin. I presume when they achieve it- soon- they'll just keep going for more. Wall Street loves profit. Execs love bonuses. Customers seem inclined to just pay (even if they gripe about it). Until something gives, that seems very likely to continue.
 
The storage issue is a pretty easy fix with an external SSD and a cable that can actually match the speed. You probably won't get past 3GB a sec, but that's still very good. Memory wise this is a tale as old as time with Apple, with difference is nowadays unlike in the past, none of their computers have memory that you can add. There are a lot of pros to how Apple does this, but yeah it's a pretty big con.

Also the idea that Apple isn't interested in volume is silly, in response to the post above me. The iPhone as far as I know is the #1 selling phone by units worldwide, the watch is #1, the iPad #1, and Macs at least in North America they hover around 10% of the total market, with 5% worldwide, and typically will have the #1 selling laptop in USA at least. So yeah I think they do care, but margins are obviously more important to them. To think that Apple could even hit 10% 20 years ago is insane to think. I think at one point a few years back they had about 15% of the market in USA when M1 hit.
 
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