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All TouchID apps won't use FaceID until updated

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ugh

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This is what apple.com sales chat stated today.

This is a deal breaker for me. Some of those apps could take a year to get updated. In the meantime I will have to type in my 16+ character randomly generated passwords every single time? Yeah, no thanks. Guess everyone else will have to beta test FaceID for me. Seems incredibly short-sighted of Apple not to have a compatibility layer for the old apps until updates are pushed.

Someone prove me wrong.
 
ugh said:
This is what apple.com sales chat stated today.

This is a deal breaker for me. Some of those apps could take a year to get updated. In the meantime I will have to type in my 16+ character randomly generated passwords every single time? Yeah, no thanks. Guess everyone else will have to beta test FaceID for me. Seems incredibly short-sighted of Apple not to have a compatibility layer for the old apps until updates are pushed.

Someone prove me wrong.
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They can't just replace Touch ID authentication with Face ID. I'm sure that's illegal due to Apple Pay and banking apps.
 
The more popular apps such as Mint, Amazon, etc will be updated in no time, I suspect.

As it is the same apps mentioned above already get scheduled updates every couple of weeks.

Ever read the update notes on them?

And, I bet, those that won't be compatible will just have you enter your 6 digit pin, like all the other apps.

There. Proven wrong.
 
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Starfyre said:
Which apps use TouchID only that you use?
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Pretty much everything that isn't a game. Every remote access, banking, home automation, etc, etc, app.
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Paddle1 said:
They can't just replace Touch ID authentication with Face ID. I'm sure that's illegal due to Apple Pay and banking apps.
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Illegal? I doubt that. Went form 1:50,000 to 1:1,000,000. It's illegal to provide more security?

Apple trying to cover their ass in case one of the API users objects? For sure. This is the lack of Steve Jobs, he would have threatened to put someone's head a stick if this didn't work right.
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bambooshots said:
There. Proven wrong.
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Yeah, we're going disagree on what "proof" means.
 
ugh said:
Pretty much everything that isn't a game. Every remote access, banking, home automation, etc, etc, app.
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Illegal? I doubt that. Went form 1:50,000 to 1:1,000,000. It's illegal to provide more security?

Apple trying to cover their ass in case one of the API users objects? For sure. This is the lack of Steve Jobs, he would have threatened to put someone's head a stick if this didn't work right.
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Yeah, we're going disagree on what "proof" means.
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Illegal as in not allowed with the contracts Apple signed with banks. They were most likely strictly for Touch ID.
 
I'm sure they will have the feature added soon if not right away. It's just changing the bio metrics. If they can go into apps with Touch ID then you would still click the enter buttton on app and it would see your face
 
Paddle1 said:
Illegal as in not allowed with the contracts Apple signed with banks. They were most likely strictly for Touch ID.
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Do you really imagine that there was a "contract"? More like an SDK with all sorts of liability disclaimers attached. I have never ever seen any such contract, and I've been to 4 WWDC's.
 
ugh said:
Do you really imagine that there was a "contract"? More like an SDK with all sorts of liability disclaimers attached. I have never ever seen any such contract, and I've been to 4 WWDC's.
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I meant with banks for Apple Pay. They had a hard time working out agreements with certain banks.
 
ugh said:
Pretty much everything that isn't a game. Every remote access, banking, home automation, etc, etc, app.
[doublepost=1505277089][/doublepost]

Illegal? I doubt that. Went form 1:50,000 to 1:1,000,000. It's illegal to provide more security?

Apple trying to cover their ass in case one of the API users objects? For sure. This is the lack of Steve Jobs, he would have threatened to put someone's head a stick if this didn't work right.
[doublepost=1505277135][/doublepost]

Yeah, we're going disagree on what "proof" means.
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Yea bc everything released while Steve was alive worked perfectly. Can people please stop with this? Christ...
 
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Paddle1 said:
I meant with banks for Apple Pay. They had a hard time working out agreements with certain banks.
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Apple pay is one of the only things it works for, the other being unlocking the phone. This thread is strictly not about Apple pay, but third party apps.
 
ugh said:
Pretty much everything that isn't a game. Every remote access, banking, home automation, etc, etc, app.
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That is fair, I wonder how the App Store will handle this. iPhone X is going to get "this app not compatible for your device" type messages? Seems annoying for the iPhone X to be cut out of this ecosystem of Apps that use Touch ID...
 
bambooshots said:
My God, what did we do in all the years before TiuchID??!

Oh yeah, 4-6 digit passcode.

Next.
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For a phone that is supposed to be the "path forward for the next decade", I think we can do better than thinking we can go back to the stone age with passcode fallback and the FaceID.

The real future should be we can use FaceID or TouchID as primary, and have either FaceID or TouchID be the fallback. Shouldn't even have to deal with passcode unless we really wanted to. That's what a real forward thinking device would have us do. Not one that forces us to go back to swiping up and other nonsense.
 
Starfyre said:
For a phone that is supposed to be the "path forward for the next decade", I think we can do better than thinking we can go back to the stone age with passcode fallback and the FaceID.

The real future should be we can use FaceID or TouchID as primary, and have either FaceID or TouchID be the fallback. Shouldn't even have to deal with passcode unless we really wanted to. That's what a real forward thinking device would have us do. Not one that forces us to go back to swiping up and other nonsense.
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According to the keynote, the future of the iPhone has a ton of swiping up to get back to the home screen and other nonsense.
 
Starfyre said:
For a phone that is supposed to be the "path forward for the next decade", I think we can do better than thinking we can go back to the stone age with passcode fallback and the FaceID.

The real future should be we can use FaceID or TouchID as primary, and have either FaceID or TouchID be the fallback. Shouldn't even have to deal with passcode unless we really wanted to. That's what a real forward thinking device would have us do. Not one that forces us to go back to swiping up and other nonsense.
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I agree mostly, but the issue I fear will be encountered with some people is they will quickly forget the passcode/password they created just like they do currently with their apple id password. (It's crazy how many people don't remember their apple id password or sometimes what email their account is tied to.)

Having to use a code on every boot up and at least once weekly (vs touchid & the upcoming face id) ensures that they will remember their code when they need it as a secondary way into the phone.

If touch id/face id would be primary, then the backup of asking for the passcode after multiple failure attempts of touchid/face id would present a problem where people wouldn't remember the code when needed.

(I have an almost 2 year old, she loves to grab my phone and try and activate siri/play games when I have it charging, I can tell because when I go to use it, the touchid is locked out after multiple failures and I have to use my passcode to open the phone/rearm touchid feature.)
 
There is almost certainly some sort of API built into iOS 11 for developers to easily replace TouchID with FaceID where applicable. This is a non-issue. Move on. No sales rep said this. Thanks.
 
By the time it gets straightened out, Apple will be bringing back Touch ID, touting it as the greatest thing ever.
 
bslow1 said:
By the time it gets straightened out, Apple will be bringing back Touch ID, touting it as the greatest thing ever.
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I don't see this ever happening. Seems they invested in FaceID as a long term solution to replace TouchID...they may have brought it forward sooner than expected given issues trying to put TouchID under the OLED display, but now that it's here, it's not going anywhere.

Why would they bring back a less secure form of security? It would be like going back to just passcodes.
 
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I don't see this ever happening. Seems they invested in FaceID as a long term solution to replace TouchID...they may have brought it forward sooner than expected given issues trying to put TouchID under the OLED display, but now that it's here, it's not going anywhere.

Why would they bring back a less secure form of security? It would be like going back to just passcodes.
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Apple will just say that it's a "new" sensor that is 1 in a gazillion more secure. They do stuff like that all the time. The rest of the industry is likely to move toward fingerprint scanners under the display.
 
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