Am I (In Big Trouble)

[menziep]

Today, i was at school on there dell computers and i came across a Drive called "netapps" in the Pupil Profile. In there i found a folder called "grabs" which had Screen Grabs of Students that had been on stuff they shouldnt be on.

In there i fould Grabs Of Emails, Music sites and PORN ect, anyway i was court on this folder with a picture open which contained lesbian porn (Girl on Girl) ( i didnt know that was what it was till i opened it)

I would like to say that this was a pubilc folder (Acessable by all Pupils and Teachers)

Anyway, they are now classing it of "Hacking" and i would like to know what you think.

Thanks

Menziep



Note : This was on a public server Acsessable by all and it contained Porn ( This was in a seconry school in the UK, Are they Breaking any UK Laws)

 

[vniow]

I want to go to your school.

 

[menziep]

I want to go to your school.

lol

 

[rockthecasbah]

Anyway, they are now classing it of "Hacking" and i would like to know what you think.
...
Note : This was on a public server Acsessable by all and it contained Porn ( This was in a seconry school in the UK, Are they Breaking any UK Laws)

I don't see how you can be in any trouble at all since it's a public folder. Your perusal to a public folder is not a hack; to be considered a hack you must break the type of barrier that is restricting. There was no password, it was not set private, thus they cannot hit you with anything as being a hacker for finding that stuff.

 

[26139]

You do?

I want to go to your school.

Really? They teach spell their English a bit differently there.

 

[menziep]

I don't see how you can be in any trouble at all since it's a public folder. Your perusal to a public folder is not a hack; to be considered a hack you must break the type of barrier that is restricting. There was no password, it was not set private, thus they cannot hit you with anything as being a hacker for finding that stuff.

Thanks

 

[ChrisBrightwell]

There was no password, it was not set private, thus they cannot hit you with anything as being a hacker for finding that stuff.

I got 20 days of detention when I was in high school for changing my DOS prompt (before they upgraded to Win 95) to something more useful.

School "admins" are usually full of ****.

 

[CanadaRAM]

If you want to turn this into a Civics project, then write it up and take it to the School Board (or administration) showing how the IT department was hosting pr0nographic images on a school server and had not secured it.

Ask them how, in this instance, the school had violated its trust and duty of care to you.

 

[Fearless Leader]

Well at my school just opening up the my documents folder and reading anther persons esay is grounds for permently getting kicked off the computers for good. My point is they make the rules, we have little rights to protect ourselfs and if they want it to be hacking its hacking.

My opinion is you weren't hacking no diffrent from looking at the my pictures folder on the computer local account.

I got kicked out of the lab for a week for working in the comand line . My teacher got mad at me becuase she thought i was "hacking". Since i constantly fixed the computers she only kicked me out for a week.

as to it being legal for them having it i would actually say yes. I would consider it evidence. But letting students accses it that would probley be illegal. I don't know UK laws. also how old are you.

 

[menziep]

also how old are you.

Im 14 coming on 15...

 

[UKnjb]

If you want to turn this into a Civics project, then write it up and take it to the School Board (or administration) showing how the IT department was hosting pr0nographic images on a school server and had not secured it.

Ask them how, in this instance, the school had violated its trust and duty of care to you.

That is such a good way to handle it and I imagine it would work brilliantly -- in the USA. Here in the UK, though, we are not up to that intelligent and mature reasoning and schools have a good record of abrogating their repsonsibility to anyone else within firing distance. In this instance Menziep is a good target.

If I was one of Menziep's parents, I would hope that he would tell me what had happened and then I could, in a non-confrontational way, take the matter up directly with the school head/board of governors on his behalf. I would hope that he (Menziep) could have taken his own screen-shots proving that the everything was as he said - the relevant folder/s were indeed public and did contain this suspect material. Chances are that their IT person has already got rid of the material from the server.

I would very definitely use your approach "... violated its trust and duty of care to you" to deflect any attack on Menziep back to them.

 

[Felldownthewell]

A kid at my school got suspended for hacking the admin account and changing the password...then using the admin account to bittorent a whole lotta stuff which sucked up almost all of the schools bandwidth for a few days....he ended up paying a huge fine too. What the school still hasn't found but that I found is that he installed a keystroke logging progam on one of the computers...he did it just to see if he could so no harm came of it, so I didnt tell. If I told, he would be expelled, and I wasn't feeling that mean...

Anyway, what you did wasn't hacking; all you did was open a public folder...make sure the school knows that if they try to suspend you.

 

[XNine]

Canada Ram has excellent advice, though judging how other case like this have been handled, you could be screwed. I'm not trying to scare you, just ready you for this is going to be an uphill battle for you. Most judges and juries, etc. don't know the details of networking and privilages, etc. etc. Be ready with as much info, broken down in lamens terms, and if you can get PROOF of how you accessed it.

Curiosity kills the cat, unfortunately.

 

[MacNut]

If the school has questionable content at all on a computer there should be some serious questions raised, let alone a public file.

 

[Les Kern]

Well at my school just opening up the my documents folder and reading anther persons esay is grounds for permently getting kicked off the computers for good. My point is they make the rules, we have little rights to protect ourselfs and if they want it to be hacking its hacking.

So where is the tech person in all this? M.I.A.?

 

[Nickygoat]

So where is the tech person in all this? M.I.A.?

Probably KIA now - although incompetence is no bar to employment in the UK public sector these days.
In my day we had to make do with biology textbooks and papier maché wilies *
My guess is that you're safe from the "hacking" charge - they might try and pin something on you about the porn though - seeing as you were looking at it.



*kudos to anyone who gets the reference

 

[menziep]

Thanks All,

My Parents have said if the school drop it then they will drop it but if they dont, then they will take it further.

As For hacking i didnt think it was but i just wanted to make sure.

As for being on porn then well i dont know they might or they might not persue it.

Also, ive been working for my IT department for a while now so i guess i wont be now...


I think the best they will do is give me a weeks ban (I Hope: Im going on my hoilday soon so i wont be there )

I do think that this is a unique case for them (Como'n how many people do you know that have been seeing Porn [Saved] on a schools server].

I will say that for the 3 years ive been at that school theyve had to bring in over 5 Major polics (Because of me ) and for about a year and a half now they have had me plugging the the ways in up.


As for what UKnaj said well they havnt got rid of it , they have now made the folder not acessable to pupils.




Menziep