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This is getting tiring. iPhones have been delivering very poor white balance and color rendering for YEARS now, especially in low or imperfect light (such as overcast). I don't understand what is going on. This year's Smart HDR was upgraded to version 5 but the "improvements" (or lack thereof) to rectify this issue are not up to par, in particular when compared to Pixel in many scenarios. If you have give me 10 pictures from an iPhone and 10 from any other smartphone I can usually figure out which one is the iPhone based on the yellow-green characteristic alone. Here are some yearly observations from all the review photos (as well as my own) that are yet to be fixed. I will use specific examples from 14 Pro and 15 Pro reviews to demonstrate.
  1. iPhones repeatedly render a green or yellow tinge in many photos and subsequently kill the kind of beautiful color contrast we see in the 'best case' photos from Apple's keynote as well as our own photographs. It is not the sort of orange glow associated with a 'warm' photo for me, it is very specifically a yellow-green layer that kills a lot of the color contrast. Most often happens when some green is present in the frame or when there's yellow lights at night.
  2. White balance misses all too frequently in scenarios without perfect direct sunlight. Even then it sometimes struggles.
It's getting to the point where every new iPhone release has me waiting in anticipation for the first real life photos to be published JUST so I can see if they've fixed this one issue. I often find myself adjusting my 14 PM photos slightly to account for the yellow-green cast and subsequent desaturation/poor contrast.

Let me start by presenting a side by side comparison of a shot from the 14 Pro and Pixel 7 from The Verge's iPhone review last year. I know it's a year old but I remember being irate when I saw it last year because this is a particularly disgusting example. As you will see the 15 Pro still has this issue in varying degrees of severity:

14 ProPixel 7
14 pro skyline.jpg
pixel 7 skyline.jpg

You see it? The Pixel is very balanced, there are different colored lights and the color of buildings can be seen through the harsh office lights, all the while the sky is closer to what you would see if you were actually standing there. The iPhone on the other hand looks like a PS3 cutscene from a Yakuza game, a complete blob of yellow-green Gotham CGI.

Unfortunately the 15 Pro exhibits the same issue, maybe there are some slight improvements but not enough. Again from The Verge 15 Pro review except this time I've included the same image with some very simple correction applied to it via Pixelmator. I'm no editor or professional photographer so you may not agree with the final output of my corrections (some are too magenta or cool for example) but the point is to demonstrate that the original needs SOME form of correction, albeit better than mine, to counter the yellow-green tinge. The "balanced" versions are to provide contrast and demonstrate the yellow-green tinge exists in the first place for those that don't think it's obvious

15 Pro Original Output:15 Pro Balanced:
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market st CORRECTED.jpg

Again, the correction is not perfect as I'm applying auto white balance adjustments to an already compressed jpeg, Apple's original processing could produce a much better result. Look at the overall color of the original image though, in particular the buildings and the sky. I assure you Market St doesn't look so jaundice.

Some more examples:

15 Pro15 Pro Corrected
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sky.jpg
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stairs.jpeg
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dog.jpg
dog CORRECTED.jpg
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painted CORRECTED.jpg

Disclaimer: let's get this out of the way. The following responses are meaningless so there's no need to post them: 1) "Buy a pixel" no thanks, I'm locked in to iPhone and prefer Apple's ecosystem, it's entirely reasonable to ask for improvements to a product you're heavily invested in. 2) "iPhones are not meant for upgrading every year, don't expect radical changes" this problem has been going on for years and it never gets addressed. If Google can deliver big upgrades to both their camera hardware and software processing whilst avoiding major mishaps with white balance/color, why can't Apple? I'm not asking for magic, just some focus on white balance and color
 

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Just for reference, here's a cityscape taken with a Leica Q2. A different league of camera, yes, but similar to the Pixel it can capture plenty of yellow and orange city lights without too much compromise on the color integrity of the sky and pure white lights:

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I don't understand it. If photography is THAT important for you, why suffer? On paper, many of the 15 PM's specs are the same as my Android non-flagship phone from 2020. It's 2023 and there are gazillion of choices, including phones from China. "Locked in ecosystem" is a concept from 10-12 years ago, IMHO. I have had an Android phone for 11 years, while having iMac, MacBook and iPad without any issues. I am now switching back to iPhone for some personal reasons. If having the top specs were my priority, I would have ordered S23 Ultra or one of the Chinese counterparts.
 
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What we have here is something called “subjective preference”

All color science decisions are subjective (for the most part). Turns out I'm not the only one because the 14 Pro finished second to last in MKBHD's blind camera test last year. I remember it, the green tinged night shot was part of the reason so many people thought it was a bad camera.

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It's almost comical how green the iPhone 14 Pro is vs basically any Android phone:

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I don't understand it. If photography is THAT important for you, why suffer? On paper, many of the 15 PM's specs are the same as my Android non-flagship phone from 2020. It's 2023 and there are gazillion of choices, including phones from China. "Locked in ecosystem" is a concept from 10-12 years ago, IMHO. I have had an Android phone for 11 years, while having iMac, MacBook and iPad without any issues.

All of my family and friends are in iMessage group chats and we all use shared albums, there are zero alternatives to Apple that offer a similar balance of privacy to quality and even if there were I would be disconnecting myself from a ton of workflows embedded into iCloud/iOS. I'm not gonna use some busted version of Android just to avoid Google spyware. I've considered using Chinese phones to avoid spyware but again everyone else I know uses Apple's system.

The iPhone producing night photos that look like something out of The Matrix is not a subjective decision made by their team. I refuse to believe some of the photos I included in the OP are an intentional creative choice. It's a fixable issue that shouldn't require me to consider moving platforms entirely.

I don’t get the point here. If you don’t like the color science just change it in Lightroom. Apple gives ProRAW for a reason…hell you can even do all of these adjustments with jpeg and heif.

I don't like editing every single photo I take, I like the ease of use of point and shoot. I prefer to edit some intentional images in ProRAW or normal RAW but for everyday shots it takes too much time.
 
Let’s get this merged with the main camera complaint thread as all the others have been

Agreed. I tried doing it manually after I saw the thread but none of the embedded images transferred. Not sure if a mod can help with this?
 
Totally agree with you, for as long as I can remember my night shots on an iPhone look jaundiced, or if someone had applied a dehydrated urine filter to them. I’m hoping it’s at least improved a bit on the 15’s.

I’ve mostly noticed it at night, anything in low light is yellow and muddy. I think I will just rely on Lightroom mobile to fix the white balance, or just use a pixel if I get one of those too.
 
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Frankly, my more IT-oriented friends will not touch iPhone for free. They are all specs and performance driven and buy accordingly. Basic example is 120 Hz refresh rate introduced this year as a major upgrade. Androids have had it for a few years now. Same goes for resolution, in which iPhone has not caught up. List goes on.
Pixel and WhatsApp can solve a problem of photography and group chats, OneDrive solves the rest.
The only sticky point for me is iWatch. It will soon kill Garmin. In some ways it has already. iWatch will not work without an iPhone. My second reason for the switch.
 
I take it easier. Iphone was never a leader of taking photos and sound.
Back in the day, samsung galaxy would always outperform apple. Lately pixel joined with less hardware but more optimization.
Iphone always was good with videos - se 2020 photos are horrible but 4k60 videos are less choppy and very crisp on 4k screen. Samsung still cant do videos.

So it is a tradeoff. If you need absolute best photo in a smartphone then it is pixel or galaxy.
 
Frankly, my more IT-oriented friends will not touch iPhone for free. They are all specs and performance driven and buy accordingly. Basic example is 120 Hz refresh rate introduced this year as a major upgrade. Androids have had it for a few years now. Same goes for resolution, in which iPhone has not caught up. List goes on.
Pixel and WhatsApp can solve a problem of photography and group chats, OneDrive solves the rest.
The only sticky point for me is iWatch. It will soon kill Garmin. In some ways it has already. iWatch will not work without an iPhone. My second reason for the switch.
120hz isn’t a “big new upgrade” this year… iPhone 13 Pro and onwards had 120hz

And what’s more performant than an A17 pro?

if you want an android just get an android but don’t make stuff up.
 
Frankly, my more IT-oriented friends will not touch iPhone for free. They are all specs and performance driven and buy accordingly. Basic example is 120 Hz refresh rate introduced this year as a major upgrade. Androids have had it for a few years now. Same goes for resolution, in which iPhone has not caught up. List goes on.
Pixel and WhatsApp can solve a problem of photography and group chats, OneDrive solves the rest.
The only sticky point for me is iWatch. It will soon kill Garmin. In some ways it has already. iWatch will not work without an iPhone. My second reason for the switch.

I understand completely and I have been considering carrying a Pixel or Sony phone exclusively for photography for a while now but those devices as a whole probably have a 20-30% alignment with what I'm looking for. iPhone is maybe 70-80% aligned. It doesn't make sense for me to ignore a fixable issue by considering one of those 30% alignment devices instead. It's not like I have an issue with some fundamental pillar of the iPhone/iOS system, I'm not asking it to be Android, I'm only asking for Apple to acknowledge the layer of Nickelodeon slime covering some of my images.
 
No image just out of a digital camera is final-product ready. That’s a fact for all current sensor technologies. And that includes Leica and Hasselblad, as well. In digital photography, we have learned to live with that. Enjoy your iPhone!
 
Just for reference, here's a cityscape taken with a Leica Q2. A different league of camera, yes, but similar to the Pixel it can capture plenty of yellow and orange city lights without too much compromise on the color integrity of the sky and pure white lights:

o721D9s.jpg
Q2 is absolute bomb when it comes to 3d pictures - it has that phenomenal leica volume to it.
 
Frankly, my more IT-oriented friends will not touch iPhone for free. They are all specs and performance driven and buy accordingly. Basic example is 120 Hz refresh rate introduced this year as a major upgrade. Androids have had it for a few years now. Same goes for resolution, in which iPhone has not caught up. List goes on.
Pixel and WhatsApp can solve a problem of photography and group chats, OneDrive solves the rest.
The only sticky point for me is iWatch. It will soon kill Garmin. In some ways it has already. iWatch will not work without an iPhone. My second reason for the switch.

By buying slower phones? 🤣


I understand completely and I have been considering carrying a Pixel or Sony phone exclusively for photography for a while now but those devices as a whole probably have a 20-30% alignment with what I'm looking for. iPhone is maybe 70-80% aligned. It doesn't make sense for me to ignore a fixable issue by considering one of those 30% alignment devices instead. It's not like I have an issue with some fundamental pillar of the iPhone/iOS system, I'm not asking it to be Android, I'm only asking for Apple to acknowledge the layer of Nickelodeon slime covering some of my images.

Have you tried third party camera apps?
 
120hz isn’t a “big new upgrade” this year… iPhone 13 Pro and onwards had 120hz

And what’s more performant than an A17 pro?

if you want an android just get an android but don’t make stuff up.
I said nothing about the chip, I said resolution. And regular iPhone 15 still has 60 Hz refresh. My 3 year old Android (non-flagship) has it.
No, if I wanted an Android - I would have upgraded to S23 in the spring.
I am getting 15 PM fully knowing that if specs were that important to me, I would be getting smth else. This is why I don't understand where OP is coming from. He knows what he wants and what's important to him. Why suffer?
 
This is getting tiring. iPhones have been delivering very poor white balance and color rendering for YEARS now, especially in low or imperfect light (such as overcast). I don't understand what is going on. This year's Smart HDR was upgraded to version 5 but the "improvements" (or lack thereof) to rectify this issue are not up to par, in particular when compared to Pixel in many scenarios. If you have give me 10 pictures from an iPhone and 10 from any other smartphone I can usually figure out which one is the iPhone based on the yellow-green characteristic alone. Here are some yearly observations from all the review photos (as well as my own) that are yet to be fixed. I will use specific examples from 14 Pro and 15 Pro reviews to demonstrate.
  1. iPhones repeatedly render a green or yellow tinge in many photos and subsequently kill the kind of beautiful color contrast we see in the 'best case' photos from Apple's keynote as well as our own photographs.
  2. White balance misses all too frequently in scenarios without perfect direct sunlight. Even then it sometimes struggles.
It's getting to the point where every new iPhone release has me waiting in anticipation for the first real life photos to be published JUST so I can see if they've fixed this one issue. I often find myself adjusting my 14 PM photos slightly to account for the yellow cast and subsequent desaturation/poor contrast.

Let me start by presenting a side by side comparison of a shot from the 14 Pro and Pixel 7 from The Verge's iPhone review last year. I know it's a year old but I remember being irate when I saw it last year because this is a particularly disgusting example. As you will see the 15 Pro still has this issue in varying degrees of severity:


You see it? The Pixel is very balanced, there are different colored lights and the color of buildings can be seen through the harsh office lights, all the while the sky is closer to what you would see if you were actually standing there. The iPhone on the other hand looks like a PS3 cutscene from a Yakuza game, a complete blob of yellow-green Gotham CGI.

Unfortunately the 15 Pro exhibits the same issue, maybe there are some slight improvements but not enough. Again from The Verge 15 Pro review except this time I've included the same image with some very simple correction applied to it via Pixelmator. I'm no editor or professional photographer so you may not agree with the final output of my corrections but the point is to demonstrate that the original needs some form of correction in the first place to counter the yellow-green tinge:

15 Pro Original Output:15 Pro Corrected:
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Again, the correction is not perfect as I'm applying auto white balance adjustments to an already compressed jpeg, Apple's original processing could produce a much better result. Look at the overall color of the original image though, in particular the buildings and the sky. I assure you Market St doesn't look so jaundice.

Some more examples:


Disclaimer: let's get this out of the way. The following responses are meaningless so there's no need to post them: 1) "Buy a pixel" no thanks, I'm locked in to iPhone and prefer Apple's ecosystem, it's entirely reasonable to ask for improvements to a product you're heavily invested in. 2) "iPhones are not meant for upgrading every year, don't expect radical changes" this problem has been going on for years and it never gets addressed. If Google can deliver big upgrades to both their camera hardware and software processing whilst avoiding major mishaps with white balance/color, why can't Apple? I'm not asking for magic, just some focus on white balance and color
Have you considered making the Pixel your primary phone? It seems to have what you want.
 
No image just out of a digital camera is final-product ready. That’s a fact for all current sensor technologies. And that includes Leica and Hasselblad, as well. In digital photography, we have learned to live with that. Enjoy your iPhone!
That's true, but at least, cameras have a few settings such as Natural, Vivid, Desaturated, that you can select as a starting preference for JPEG creation.

It would be better if phones had some sort of preference calibration before you take your first photo.
 
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That yellow/blue is white balance, and it’s relative. The white balance has to be set differently depending on scene or lighting in order to match what our eyes see. The easiest way to solve the problem is to change the white balance in any capable editing program to whatever suits your tastes. (You obviously prefer the strict neutral, but some prefer a warmer setting.)

Cameras’ auto white balance settings are rarely perfect, even on high end mirrorless bodies. While it can be set manually, ballpark is usually good enough when you can go back and tweak it
 
Have you considered making the Pixel your primary phone? It seems to have what you want.

What makes you think that?

That yellow/blue is white balance, and it’s relative. The white balance has to be set differently depending on scene or lighting in order to match what our eyes see. The easiest way to solve the problem is to change the white balance in any capable editing program to whatever suits your tastes. (You obviously prefer the strict neutral, but some prefer a warmer setting.)

Cameras’ auto white balance settings are rarely perfect, even on high end mirrorless bodies. While it can be set manually, ballpark is usually good enough when you can go back and tweak it

So why, out of all the night shots featured in MKBHD's camera blind test, was the iPhone one of the only cameras producing a yellow-green tint? It doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to stop producing offensively yellow-green photos in low lighting conditions which seemingly every point & shoot, mirrorless, and android phone that cost a third of the price can accomplish.

There's simply no excuse. Having to correct many of the photos to get rid of the tint defeats the purpose of quickly snapping a picture on my phone. If Apple are incapable of fixing this then in that case I should just starting taking RAW photos or buy a dedicated camera, which again defeats the entire purpose of a smartphone camera.
 
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