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Anyone having stuttering YouTube with Quicktime 7.7?

dbdjre0143

dbdjre0143

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Pre-emptive disclaimer: I'm aware that CorePlayer (I think that's right) is a better-performing solution than QT for the task at hand. I do want to set this up, but this is the workflow that has been working fine for me for months.

After the revelation of Quicktime 7.7 popped up in the thread about the new LWK, like many others I was very impressed when I upgraded. Low quality YouTube became playable in browser for the first time in ages for me. However, I still find myself using PPCMediaCenter frequently as before, because its so easy and I don't need to change browsers or user agents.

However, lately, using QT + PPC Media Center, I've been experiencing lots of "stuttering", or I guess the proper term would be dropped frames. The audio plays smoothly, but the video is extremely choppy. I haven't tried reverting my QT version or taken really any debugging steps yet, but was just curious whether anyone else has experienced this issue.

For the hardware, I'm using a PB G4 DLSD with 2GB of RAM and a 120GB SSD. There are no other apps open besides Safari sitting on a YT listing page and QT playing the video. This setup was working flawlessly for me before upgrading, though I'm not sure if it changed immediately after upgrading QT or sometime after.
 
dbdjre0143 said:
Pre-emptive disclaimer: I'm aware that CorePlayer (I think that's right) is a better-performing solution than QT for the task at hand. I do want to set this up, but this is the workflow that has been working fine for me for months.

After the revelation of Quicktime 7.7 popped up in the thread about the new LWK, like many others I was very impressed when I upgraded. Low quality YouTube became playable in browser for the first time in ages for me. However, I still find myself using PPCMediaCenter frequently as before, because its so easy and I don't need to change browsers or user agents.

However, lately, using QT + PPC Media Center, I've been experiencing lots of "stuttering", or I guess the proper term would be dropped frames. The audio plays smoothly, but the video is extremely choppy. I haven't tried reverting my QT version or taken really any debugging steps yet, but was just curious whether anyone else has experienced this issue.

For the hardware, I'm using a PB G4 DLSD with 2GB of RAM and a 120GB SSD. There are no other apps open besides Safari sitting on a YT listing page and QT playing the video. This setup was working flawlessly for me before upgrading, though I'm not sure if it changed immediately after upgrading QT or sometime after.
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I generally don't use PPC Media Center but yes, I'm getting the same results with 7.7 on my DLSD whereas it was smooth before. However, stuttering only happens while streaming - once the video is loaded it's fine.
 
Dronecatcher said:
I generally don't use PPC Media Center but yes, I'm getting the same results with 7.7 on my DLSD whereas it was smooth before. However, stuttering only happens while streaming - once the video is loaded it's fine.
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Interesting, even when I pause and allow it to buffer first, I'm still getting the stuttering. Do you mean that you're downloading the video first then playing it, or still streaming but allowing it to buffer first?
 
dbdjre0143 said:
Interesting, even when I pause and allow it to buffer first, I'm still getting the stuttering. Do you mean that you're downloading the video first then playing it, or still streaming but allowing it to buffer first?
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No, not downloading it but streaming. It lags out of sync and frame drops until the file is loaded then it's fine...well as fine as QT can be :)

I found in the past that 7.7 wasn't as efficient as 7.5.5 (via benchmarks) but as it seems to very sympathetic (and essential) to HTML5 video in Webkit it's worth the upgrade.
Personally I use SMTube plus Mplayer for Youtube on PPC - it's far more efficient than PPC Media Center.
 
Ahh, yes, that's the combination I was trying to think of earlier. I've read some on various threads and haven't yet found a clear guide for getting that set up. Do you know if one exists somewhere? If not, its fine, I'll go digging through a thread later. :)
 
dbdjre0143 said:
Ahh, yes, that's the combination I was trying to think of earlier. I've read some on various threads and haven't yet found a clear guide for getting that set up. Do you know if one exists somewhere? If not, its fine, I'll go digging through a thread later. :)
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https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ew-mactubes-mobile-youtube-installer.2030035/

Just carefully read the first post before proceeding. It looks complicated because it was such a long journey to get there but it isn't - there's only three downloads/installs.
 
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I still think that although YouTube has a place for archival and historical purposes (providing the videos align with Google's views, lest they strike it down), it would be better just to stop watching entirely. It's getting increasingly hard to watch on old hardware, it's extremely easy to endlessly watch one video after another, and now given this article, it's apparently been engineered to be worse on browsers other than Google's.

I get the feeling leaving YouTube (and social media in general) is something that is growing in popularity among an increasing amount of people.
 
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Dronecatcher said:
I have to ignore the politics and take the best from it - things will change but there is currently no viable alternative - well, with as much reach anyway.
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As I've previously advised on this website (to much disapproval), I've taken to ********* for social media, which include videos. Unfortunately, it's still too political and has too much inappropriate content to be ideal.

Come on, we were fine before 2005. Surely it can't be too difficult. If this final effort with social media of mine falls through, I'm gonna drop the concept entirely.

It's just not fn**!ug healthy, man.

Unnatural.
 
z970mp said:
It's just not fn**!ug healthy, man.
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You can't un-invent stuff ;) It's like nukes - now they're here, they're here to stay.

More to the point, Youtube, along with streaming media is the modern replacement for TV - and TV had it's detractors in it's time and was largely garbage...but still had merits. All these things are a mirror to society...
 
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You can't un-invent stuff ;) It's like nukes - now they're here, they're here to stay.
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But like nukes, you can choose not to partake in it, as both nukes and social media are very unhealthy.

As for TV, yes, unfortunately YouTube has taken such a big position, it is many people's replacement to television. But hey, at least that's one less monthly bill. ;)

Well, I got a better idea. Maybe society should stop being so video-dependent for once. What's so wrong with reading the news (from independent sources)?

Let's just do everything we did in the 2000's, minus TV & YT. How hard can it be?

...Evidently, it is hard. :(
 
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It's not the medium - it's the content. Generally, people gravitate towards trash, for evidence check popular music, cinema, literature.....
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In the eyes of many, considering it's YouTube, it's the medium too.

It's designed to get you to watch more things.
 
dbdjre0143 said:
However, lately, using QT + PPC Media Center, I've been experiencing lots of "stuttering", or I guess the proper term would be dropped frames.
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Now to get back to the op ;) : one way to see what the reason for stuttering is, is to check the played framerate and the dropped frames in comparison to the intended frame rate, the frames and the bitrate
The latter has recently been increased in many videos on YouTube as well as the frame rate. That results in a lot more cpu work and many more dropped frames
Qt and Core Player can both show you diagnostics, have a look at them and use the results
 
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But like nukes, you can choose not to partake in it, as both nukes and social media are very unhealthy.
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If I may ask, what is the political side of things that you find so problematic? I guess I'm somewhat confused, as there's definitely no overarching political bend on youtube (after all, literal Nazis have channels with thousands of subscribers, as do Stalinists, and both capitalist libertarians and libertarian socialist/anarchists).
 
zarkocabarkapa said:
If I may ask, what is the political side of things that you find so problematic? I guess I'm somewhat confused, as there's definitely no overarching political bend on youtube (after all, literal Nazis have channels with thousands of subscribers, as do Stalinists, and both capitalist libertarians and libertarian socialist/anarchists).
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If you'd like to discuss the political aspect, you can do it in the proper forum/PM, otherwise we'll both get confronted by mods.

But the examples you just posted in the light you view them signal to me that it wouldn't be worth discussing, because it's likely two people are just going to walk away angry with nothing in hand. And YouTube most DEFINITELY has an overarching political bend. Painfully so, I can assure you.

Again, if this was a place to discuss politics with no consequences, I would. But it isn't.
 
z970mp said:
If you'd like to discuss the political aspect, you can do it in the proper forum/PM, otherwise we'll both get confronted by mods.

But the examples you just posted in the light you view them signal to me that it wouldn't be worth discussing, because it's likely two people are just going to walk away angry with nothing in hand. And YouTube most DEFINITELY has an overarching political bend. Painfully so, I can assure you.

Again, if this was a place to discuss politics with no consequences, I would. But it isn't.
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I... okay. I have no idea what "view" I expressed by explaining (objectively) that the entire spectrum of politics exists on YouTube, or what bend you think it "painfully" has. Very weird and cryptic. Is there a forum on the site for off-topic conversations?
 
Joy. Why do I need Yoo-hoo & face bag when I have this place for tit for tat weiner waving. Anyhoo, I dropped face barf like a hot potato about 2 years ago & Haven’t looked back. FB is Nothing more than an unhealthy ego stroking mouthpiece & a distraction & step away from being present in life & available to those around us. It’s life-sucking trash.

That’s interesting about google & chrome. In regards to YT & my powerbook g4, streaming video is waaaay smoother using roccat browser vs TTF or any other I’ve tried on leopard.
 
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RhianB said:
Nothing more than an unhealthy ego stroking mouthpiece & a distraction & step away from being present in life & available to those around us. It’s life-sucking trash.
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You just described the basic concept of most social media platforms.
 
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