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India is reviewing a proposal that would require Apple to keep GPS location services permanently active on every iPhone sold in the country, according to Reuters.

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Under the proposal, smartphone makers including Apple would be required to activate satellite-assisted GPS on their devices at all times with no option for users to disable the feature. The Cellular Operators Association of India (COAI) argues that location data from cell tower triangulation is not sufficiently precise for investigative use and that authorities should have access to meter-level coordinates provided by GPS.

GPS is typically activated only when specific apps request location access or when an emergency call is placed. The COAI has also asked the government to require smartphone makers to disable pop-up notifications that inform users when a carrier is attempting to access location information.

Apple has formally opposed the proposal. In a letter sent in July by the India Cellular & Electronics Association (ICEA), which represents Apple and Google, the companies warned the government that forcing GPS to remain active at all times would constitute a regulatory overreach.

The news comes shortly after India reversed a separate directive that would have required all smartphone makers, including Apple, to preinstall a government app and prevent users from disabling its functions. The order was rescinded after widespread criticism.

Note: Due to the political or social nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Political News forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Apple May Have to Enable Always-On GPS in India
 
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What is going on with India...

They've been overtly closer to Russia and China lately economically and now apparently politically.

From a technical perspective alone this seems like a bad idea. Doesn't India famously have lots of low end phones? Wouldn't this kill the battery like immediately? Or do they already have some more efficient method to spy on Android phones and this is only for iPhone...
 
India taking a hard authoritarian turn. Hopefully Apple doesn't comply.
Just like in all other authoritarian states?
Of course they will give in.

There is a power that is greater than that. Greater than the protests of the fans. Greater than the cries of persecuted citizens.

The complaints of shareholders when profits fall because the future second-largest market in the world is being abandoned...
 
What is going on with India...

They've been overtly closer to Russia and China lately economically and now apparently politically.

From a technical perspective alone this seems like a bad idea. Doesn't India famously have lots of low end phones? Wouldn't this kill the battery like immediately? Or do they already have some more efficient method to spy on Android phones and this is only for iPhone...

India has always been a pain in the ass with these kind of things. First time I went, it was nearly impossible to get a sim card as a tourist for example.
 
Please tell me you aren't insinuating that the US is going to be some lone bastion of privacy and rights?
It depends how it all ends with Trumps second term. Trump hates freedom of speech and only likes when people are licking his boots. If he is gone by 2028 and couldn’t establish authoritarian laws then yes the US will be one of the lone bastion (not when it comes to private companies but government). Europe always had authoritarian tendencies because of their past. They have pretty strict laws of what can be posted online especially against politicians. Democracy and freedom is pretty new in Europe while the US always rejected the idea of government control.
 


India is reviewing a proposal that would require Apple to keep GPS location services permanently active on every iPhone sold in the country, according to Reuters.

apple-india.jpg

Under the proposal, smartphone makers including Apple would be required to activate satellite-assisted GPS on their devices at all times with no option for users to disable the feature. The Cellular Operators Association of India (COAI) argues that location data from cell tower triangulation is not sufficiently precise for investigative use and that authorities should have access to meter-level coordinates provided by GPS.

GPS is typically activated only when specific apps request location access or when an emergency call is placed. The COAI has also asked the government to require smartphone makers to disable pop-up notifications that inform users when a carrier is attempting to access location information.

Apple has formally opposed the proposal. In a letter sent in July by the India Cellular & Electronics Association (ICEA), which represents Apple and Google, the companies warned the government that forcing GPS to remain active at all times would constitute a regulatory overreach.

The news comes shortly after India reversed a separate directive that would have required all smartphone makers, including Apple, to preinstall a government app and prevent users from disabling its functions. The order was rescinded after widespread criticism.

Note: Due to the political or social nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Political News forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Apple May Have to Enable Always-On GPS in India
Typical of dictatorships, get the free enterprise to aid your plans, they want money, the government want power, win win.
 
India taking a hard authoritarian turn. Hopefully Apple doesn't comply.
I hope so too. Unfortunately, I think the only way to win this fight is for citizens to stand up to their governments and demand their right to privacy, because if China, India, Europe, and America all demand concessions from Apple if they don't want their products banned, what is Apple going to do? Go out of business for the right to privacy?

In America there is nary a day that goes by when some group somewhere isn't protesting something, so I feel this is a relatively low risk endeavor here. I hope the same is true of Europe and India, but I worry it's not true at all in China. I'm also hopeful that the American government isn't likely to deliver any big "take it or leave" it demands from Apple in the near future, and may even lean on other governments if it feels like a major American company is being treated unfairly. My only worry is that even with America backing Apple, near simultaneous acts from three major world players like China, India and Europe may be too much for Apple to stand up to...and once the precedent of compromising privacy has been set, other governments will feel more comfortable making demands of their own.
 
Beyond the authoritarian privacy nightmare this is going to impact everybody’s day to day for the worse, even the “I have nothing to hide” types. Forcing your phone to constantly do one of the most battery intensive things it can do? Those batteries are going to be hot, in an already hot, humid country? They’re going to be ruined so much faster, causing your already compromised battery life to dwindle further and further, batteries will have to be replaced sooner causing a larger toll on the environment.
 
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Beyond the authoritarian privacy nightmare this is going to impact everybody’s day to day for the worse, even the “I have nothing to hide” types. Forcing your phone to constantly do one of the most battery intensive things it can do? Those batteries are going to be hot, in an already hot, humid country? They’re going to be ruined so much faster, causing your already compromised battery life to dwindle further and further, batteries will have to be replaced sooner causing a larger toll on the environment.

I'm wondering how much longer until location specific chip tech is embedded and not user facing in any way at all.
No way to disable it or even know it's even there.

It's coming.
 
It’s a big concern. I have been warning people for over a year now how everything is becoming dystopian / authoritarian nightmare and people didn’t believe me 😕 isn’t this what Fascism is right? My whole fear of us being tracked what we do on our phones.
 
It’s a big concern. I have been warning people for over a year now how everything is becoming dystopian / authoritarian nightmare and people didn’t believe me 😕 isn’t this what Fascism is right? My whole fear of us being tracked what we do on our phones.

This is also partly why I'm not in favor of the e-sim only world so many are lauding.
It all leads to being controlled, monitored, locked in, etc.
 
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Canada and UK next the way things are going.
They're both already there.

Canada de-banked the truckers from a few years ago. Non-violent protesting is a no-go in Canada.

The UK just recently imprisoned a female victim of violent crime for SAYING bad things about her attacker. The attacker got off and didn't have to serve a prison sentence for his violent crime. I guess non-violent complaining about your violent attacker is no-go in the UK.
One can insert quite a few jurisdictions in place of "India" here.
The FBI had all they needed 4+ years ago to arrest the so-called "DC Bomber". Cell phone tracking, GPS tracking, and more. They knew who the perp was and they did nothing until the arrest this week.

But man oh man, they sure did not waste any time scooping up grandma because she was a tourist when her cell phone pinged a tower on some street corner in DC.

The US can also de-bank people just like Canada does. We did it just recently with...oh I forget, it was some terrorists or illegals or something. Doesn't matter; we can already do it. The difference is whether or not we have restraint when we don't have probable cause. Under the last administration, that answer was an emphatic "we don't need no probable cause". Under this administration, we'll have to wait and see.

So yes, even the US has been "there" in terms of being jurisdictions where you can be tracked.
India has always been a pain in the ass with these kind of things. First time I went, it was nearly impossible to get a sim card as a tourist for example.
A friend of mine once told me the story of how he was supposed to help build a church or school or some building/structure in some town in India. This was probably 30+ years ago. He's a carpenter-type guy with experience in building houses, cabinetry, and even constructing filming sets for hollywood and elsewhere.

So he arrives at the airport, gets his accommodations and transportation set up, thinking he'll only be there for 3 weeks to a month, and then sets out to talk to the people for whom he was going to build this structure. They needed to go get supplies first. Construction lumber, nails, and so on. So they go to the supply house, which was basically some family's home somewhere. And my buddy's "handler" tells him, "let me do all the talking". They go to this supplier and they have to sit around for hours smoking and talking and whatever.

Then it's time to leave. "Wait, we don't have any supplies!" says my friend. "It's too soon for that," his handler says.

It turns out that either in India or in *THAT PART* of India, the culture is such that you can't just go buy something from somebody. You have to spend time getting to know them (and they, you). Getting to know their families, and so on. It took them weeks just to be able to order the first batch of construction supplies. My friend said to me, "This is why nothing ever gets done in India; nothing ever changes. The culture actively discourages entrepreneurial spirit."

They did finish the job, and it was well done, he said. But it took more than a half-year to do what should have only required a few weeks of work.

Since then, he's had opportunities to go back and build more things for that community, but he has turned them all down. He just says, "I have a family to support. I just can't afford to fly out, pay for accommodations, and only get a month's pay for a project that should require only 3 weeks of work, but ends up needing 8 months to complete."

I'm sure it's not like that in "all" of India. But in some parts of India, they have a cultural inertia that really prevents true progress.
 
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Apple should pull out of the Indian market and explain that Indian politicians are the why they cannot do business in India.

Hopefully there would be a swift change and India would become less corrupt.
 
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