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Apple Pay has launched in Switzerland today with support for MasterCard and Visa cards issued by Bonus Card, Cornèr Bank, and Swiss Bankers. Other banks and participating issuers will likely be added in the future.

Eligible cards can be scanned or added manually to Apple Pay by tapping the "Add Credit or Debit Card" option in the Wallet app on iOS 8.1 or later. Apple Pay is compatible with iPhone 6 or later, or iPhone 5 or later when the device is paired with an Apple Watch.

Apple Pay is accepted by a number of Swiss retailers, including ALDI SUISSE, Apple, Avec, Hublot, K Kiosk, Louis Vuitton, Mobilezone, Press & Books, SPAR, TAG Heuer, TopCC, and elsewhere contactless payments are accepted in the country.
Yay! Apple Pay is available in Switzerland as from today #w pic.twitter.com/sLkqVD3T4h - David Roessli (@roessli) July 7, 2016
Switzerland is the seventh country where Apple Pay is now available after the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, China, and Singapore. The service will also expand to France and Hong Kong later this summer.

Article Link: Apple Pay Now Available in Switzerland
 
Are those services people actually use? Swiss Banks = UBS, Credit Suisse to me. Swiss Bankers and Bonus Card are prepaid cards. In the US this implies low income and undocumented. Is it different there?
 
Are those services people actually use? Swiss Banks = UBS, Credit Suisse to me. Swiss Bankers and Bonus Card are prepaid cards. In the US this implies low income and undocumented. Is it different there?

You are perfectly right, that's a joke... Bonuscards usually issues cards in partnership with other non-financial companies --such as SBB (national railways), etc.
Cornercard issues cards for Corner Bank and several other financial institutions that are too small to actually set up their own production (see PostFinance, etc) --and some other companies as well (DinersClub, Swiss airways, etc.).


But like you said the main consumer banks such as Credit Suisse and UBS are not supported. Nonsense.

I guess it has to do with the fact that UBS was developing its own Apple Pay-clone.
 
You are perfectly right, that's a joke... Bonuscards usually issues cards in partnership with other non-financial companies --such as SBB (national railways), etc.
Cornercard issues cards for Corner Bank and several other financial institutions that are too small to actually set up their own production (see PostFinance, etc) --and some other companies as well (DinersClub, Swiss airways, etc.).


But like you said the main consumer banks such as Credit Suisse and UBS are not supported. Nonsense.

I guess it has to do with the fact that UBS was developing its own Apple Pay-clone.

Gotta start somewhere. It's like how Australia and Canada only had AmEx for a bit until other banks gave in.
 
Are those services people actually use? Swiss Banks = UBS, Credit Suisse to me. Swiss Bankers and Bonus Card are prepaid cards. In the US this implies low income and undocumented. Is it different there?

Bonus Card is not prepaid. Also, undocumented doesn't exist.

As for UBS, Credit Suisse etc. They are working on their own system (TWINT, sucks). It is very unlikely that they will implement Apple Pay.
 
How's nfc adoption there? In London you can use Apple Pay pretty much everywhere.
 
You are perfectly right, that's a joke... Bonuscards usually issues cards in partnership with other non-financial companies --such as SBB (national railways), etc.
Cornercard issues cards for Corner Bank and several other financial institutions that are too small to actually set up their own production (see PostFinance, etc) --and some other companies as well (DinersClub, Swiss airways, etc.).

Yes, it's a bit of a hassle that I can't use my UBS credit card. But I ordered a Bonus Card and filled out a form so that they may deduct the monthly bill from my UBS bank account. All in all that took me 30 minutes and now I'm set and have already paid with my Watch twice this morning.
 
Bonus Card is not prepaid. Also, undocumented doesn't exist.

As for UBS, Credit Suisse etc. They are working on their own system (TWINT, sucks). It is very unlikely that they will implement Apple Pay.

Care to explain why Twint sucks?
 
How's nfc adoption there? In London you can use Apple Pay pretty much everywhere.
You can use NFC pretty much everywhere, too. But, as I said, there is a competing payment method in Switzerland backed by large banks and retailers. They don't want Apple Pay to succeed as it would be more expensive for merchants and banks. Hence, retailers don't promote Apple Pay, and most banks don't have any plans to implement it for their credit cards.
 
The Swiss I know hate using cards... they pay almost everything by cash.

I lived there in the early 2000's and used my UBS card for almost everything. You could even load a small cash balance on the chip in it to pay parking meters, etc. They also had the most advanced ATMs I've ever seen where you could deposit loose cash and pay all of your bills, etc. My UBS card was a debit card so it may be fair to say they don't like using credit, but they had no fear of cards or technology.
 
The Swiss I know hate using cards... they pay almost everything by cash.

Just like most folks here in Germany. But its changing, especially with young people and in big cities. And more and more places and machines accept contactless cards so its gaining momentum I would say.
 
You can use NFC pretty much everywhere, too. But, as I said, there is a competing payment method in Switzerland backed by large banks and retailers. They don't want Apple Pay to succeed as it would be more expensive for merchants and banks. Hence, retailers don't promote Apple Pay, and most banks don't have any plans to implement it for their credit cards.

Not yet NFC-equipped, most gas stations (excluding Coop), Manor/Manora, Tchibo, parking meters, vending machines, Post Office, and numerous small chain stores or sole proprietorships not on the Sixt payment network. Good news is that by 2020, but in practice much sooner, all POS terminals are required to be NFC equipped.

As noted elsewhere, the big 5 banks, Post Finance, and a number of large merchants are going all out to c0ckblock any payment system built on credit cards (as retailers see this as a way to avoid credit card fees and reduce the aggregate cost of non-cash transactions, while Sixt and the banks see this as a way preserve (or increase) non-cash fees by capturing what previously went to the card networks.

Since the cartel behind Twint is composed of the leading payments processor (Sixt with 60% CH market share), the leading Swiss banks, the CH post office and finance arm, and the biggest supermarket chains Coop and Migros (even the Swiss Amex outlet is controlled by AECS a Credit Swiss subsidiary), and the card issuers among them (form a virtual monopoly responsible for the issuance of nearly all CH credit cards) are not easily going to allow their cards to participate in Apple Pay, I think Apple Pay will have a harder time gaining traction in Switzerland than elsewhere.

Note that banks in Switzerland are expensive (fee geil) and not particularly customer oriented. (Credit Swiss just launched a fiddly "open the app and optically scan a QR code" system of ATM authentication instead of scrapping it for a more modern, quicker and safer NFC based solution.)

I've been quite happily using Apple Pay here (in CH) since 12/14 and since 6/15 exclusively with my Apple Watch (with my USA based credit card) and I feel sorry that my Swiss neighbors are being deprived of the choice to use the safest and quickest payment system available and are instead being dictated to use a 2nd rate solution bolted into the existing NFC network, by a cartel composed of by oligopolistic players in payments, finance and retail.
[doublepost=1467893856][/doublepost]It's also interesting to note Apple's switching on their Swiss Apple Pay was a server-side change apparently requiring no update to iOS to activate. (I was guessing we would have to wait for the forthcoming iOS point update but was wrong.)
 
The Swiss I know hate using cards... they pay almost everything by cash.

Young people use cards quite a lot, and depending on where you are, ATMs are not always easy to reach. Therefore, paying with the card also reduces the number of times you have to look for an ATM (cashback doesn't exist here)

Be happy it's available for ****s sake.
No, I'm not happy that it's available if it sucks. Would you be happy if iPhone were available, BUT only sim-locked on Lebara/Lyca? Would you say "be happy for f***'s sake?"
 
Bonus Card is not prepaid. Also, undocumented doesn't exist.

As for UBS, Credit Suisse etc. They are working on their own system (TWINT, sucks). It is very unlikely that they will implement Apple Pay.
Here's the link to Bonus Card:

https://www.bonuscard.ch/de/apple-pay
The basic card costs ca 48 CHF/y, the gold card about 144 chf/y and the top version about 216 chf/y. The monthly balance can be paid by LSV direct debit from your bank or Post Finance account. (I should also note that zero-liability for fraudulent use begins with the next card up the line for 125 CHF/y, but fraud should be an issue if you only use the card for Apple Pay and leave the physical card at home; because AP uses a virtual card number and a changing PIN code there is no way to lose this authentication data if you don't bring the physical card into the wild.)
 
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Well, I'm Swiss (but living in Spain now) and I use CCs a lot. And I'd love to use ApplePay. Maybe it would even work here in Spain if I had one of the few supported Swiss cards. Maybe I'll try to get one of those.
 
Well, I'm Swiss (but living in Spain now) and I use CCs a lot. And I'd love to use ApplePay. Maybe it would even work here in Spain if I had one of the few supported Swiss cards. Maybe I'll try to get one of those.

See my comments regarding bonus card. If you have many NFC POS terminals in Spain an Apple Pay associated card/account should work there. (Note that the entry level Bonus Card has a 2% foreign currency fee.)
 
Are those services people actually use? Swiss Banks = UBS, Credit Suisse to me. Swiss Bankers and Bonus Card are prepaid cards. In the US this implies low income and undocumented. Is it different there?

I never heard of those card issuers (and I'm Swiss).
 
Credit Swiss just launched a fiddly "open the app and optically scan a QR code" system of ATM authentication instead of scrapping it for a more modern, quicker and safer NFC based solution.

NFC is not open to third parties on iOS devices. Even though optical and bluetooth-based solutions are terrible, banks are forced to use such technologies, and Apple is the only company to blame.

Personally, I don't care who wins this war. Maybe Apple will eventually be forced to open up NFC, or maybe Swiss banks will give in to customers and implement Apple Pay. In any case, however, it will take years and until then the situation is far from ideal. I just wanted to switch from Cornercard. Now I don't know what to do.
 
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