Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

MacRumors

macrumors bot
Original poster
Apr 12, 2001
68,698
39,600



Apple today seeded the second beta of an upcoming macOS Sierra 10.12.4 update to public beta testers for testing purposes, two weeks after seeding the first public beta and one day after releasing the second 10.12.4 beta to developers.

Beta testers who have signed up for Apple's beta testing program will receive the second 10.12.4 macOS Sierra beta through the Software Update mechanism in the Mac App Store.

macOS-10.12.4-beta-800x500.jpg

Those who want to be a part of Apple's beta testing program can sign up to participate through the beta testing website, which gives users access to both iOS and macOS Sierra betas. Betas should not be installed on a primary machine due to the potential for instability.

macOS Sierra 10.12.4 brings iOS's popular Night Shift mode to the Mac, allowing users to cut down on blue light exposure in the evening. Believed to affect sleep by upsetting the body's circadian rhythm, blue light is thought to be more harmful than yellow light.


With Night Shift, the Mac's display automatically shifts from cool to warm at sunset and then shifts back at sunrise. Users can also set custom times for the display's colors to shift, or toggle the effect on manually. A Toggle to turn Night Shift on is available in the Notification Center, and Siri can also be used to activate the feature.

macOS Sierra 10.12.4 also includes Shanghainese dictation support, cricket scores for Siri, improved PDFKit APIs, and iCloud Analytics options.

Article Link: Apple Releases Second macOS Sierra 10.12.4 Public Beta for Public Beta Testers
 
Not to nitpick, but you can set the Night Shift schedule from sunset to sunrise, not sunrise to sunset, as was mentioned in the video.
 
I'm also downloading the iOS 10.3 beta 2 at the moment.

EDIT: Somehow I missed that this was released yesterday. Ha! SMH.
 
You get nothing for Night Shift on the late 2011 MBP 17", someone needs to release a hack to enable it!!! ;)
 
The problem with Night Shift on older Macs is that it doesn't seem to be just a simple kext swap issue.
macOS checks for the model of the computer and it looks like Night Shift only works with ones that have Metal enabled gfx chipsets.
 
  • Like
Reactions: sevenseconds
I have PRAMMED to the point of beating the thing with a lump hammer. PRAM resets do nothing.

It is clear to me that Apple DELIBERATELY DISABLED WIFI on certain Mac Pro's due to their past problems with figuring WIFI out. I have filed a complaint with screen shots through Feedback Assistant, but unlike some other complaints I suspect I will get no answer or solution on this one. :(
 
  • Like
Reactions: NickR80
You get nothing for Night Shift on the late 2011 MBP 17", someone needs to release a hack to enable it!!! ;)

There you go: https://pikeralpha.wordpress.com/2017/01/30/4398/.

The problem with Night Shift on older Macs is that it doesn't seem to be just a simple kext swap issue. macOS checks for the model of the computer and it looks like Night Shift only works with ones that have Metal enabled gfx chipsets.

Apple only seems to have hardcoded the minimum model numbers into a new framework, it is not kext dependent. According to the link above, it seems to work on devices at least as old as the MacBook Pro 5,2 (2009).
 
Is Sierra like the worst Mac OS ever?

Don't think it's the worst ever, but I never thought that the limited number of improvements justified a new major release. It just show the lack of focus Apple is putting in the Mac line.

I really hope that Apple is going all in on 10.13 or 11.00.
 
  • Like
Reactions: arefbe
Don't think it's the worst ever, but I never thought that the limited number of improvements justified a new major release. It just show the lack of focus Apple is putting in the Mac line.

I really hope that Apple is going all in on 10.13 or 11.00.

Now, now, Henrik, what is it, then? Either Apple puts too much new features in an haphazard fashion and ends up dealing with tons of bugs and bloat, and people complain about it, or… they don't put that many, refine their operative systems instead, and you people still complain?

I am the first to criticise Apple for their egregious disregard for professionals and the products targeted at them, such as the Mac Pro or *even* the blatantly abandoned Aperture or the less than essential but nice-to-have Cinema Displays (yes, that whole EMI-shielding – or lack thereof – debacle on the 5K UltraFine displays caused by LG's incompetence is a damn shame, but I see it more as part of growing pains in a transition towards a consumer-geared business model – which I still hope won't be total – than anything else) but you should know that you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Seeing that you're a newbie here, I'm almost guessing that you never used them nor know that some of the most loved (and kept running way past their “expiry date” on many machines to this day) Mac OS X / OS X / macOS versions are precisely the least feature-rich and most refined ones, Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion.

For me, Sierra, which really only adds Siri, this newfangled Night Shift thing (which I unfortunately won't be using, as my Macs are too old for it, but I would otherwise, as I was already running f.lux even before it was booted from iOS – I guess I'll have to keep using it on macOS for a while – and now use Night Shift on my 5S) and that nifty window snapping feature, seems to be a serious candidate for a “refined macOS version” that I may even be forced to keep running for a while on my near-obsolete Late 2009 iMac, with no ill effects (apart from forcing me to buy a brand-new or newer second-hand machine in the long run, that is).

Let me guess, once Apple gets macOS 10.13 / 11.0 (I'm betting on the latter, as iOS *and* macOS may finally converge in version number *and* numbering scheme after converging in naming scheme) out of the door and makes the switch from HFS+ to APFS by default, half of you newbies (and veterans alike!!) will extoll its virtues while the other half will scream bloody murder because some inevitable bug caused you data loss, while complaining about feature bloat/feature scarcity… :rolleyes:

Look at the big picture, you people! Don't mistake the forest for the trees. ;) Yes, this whole 12-month cycle thing was probably a bad idea (or badly-executed) in the beginning for macOS development, as it probably forced Apple devs to rush things and cut corners (if not entire features) and iOS for both iPhones and iPads also sucked up a lot of resources in the olden days [*cough* Leopard delays *cough*], but seeing that Apple is now adding and testing features mid-cycle, with a sustained support by both developer *and* public betas instead of just developer previews given out at WWDC and that iOS is now extremely mature, I am figuring that macOS development can only improve again once they get (or regain?) the hang of it.

I still stand by what I said before: if Apple addresses a bug that only affects vintage/near-obsolete and near-vintage machines, even if already belatedly and only on 10.12.5, they will absolutely regain my full respect.
 
Last edited:
.....I still stand by what I said before: if Apple addresses a bug that only affects vintage/near-obsolete and near-vintage machines, even if already belatedly and only on 10.12.5, they will absolutely regain my full respect.
I wouldn't hold my breath for that, they would like you to purchase new equipment. I'm still peeved that my older, brick-style AirportExpress won't work reliably with the post-iTunes10 versions of iTunes. And since I also have a TimeCapsule, my only intended use for the Express is AirPlay. Technical reasons, or planned obsolescence?

In keeping with Tim's obsession with profits, Apple is concentrating on the big moneymakers, and the Pro market being so small compared to the revenue generated by the iPhone and iOS ecosystem, only seems to get sporadic love nowadays. Even the consumer Mac lines, both desktops and laptops, sometimes seem to be treated like 'the ugly stepchild'.

And one cannot any longer blame this on Apple's earlier mantra of only doing updates when warranted by significant improvements, rather than upgrading for upgrade's sake. That model appears to have long since been abandoned, and Apple now claims they depend totally on the availability of new chips or suitable graphics cards, while we all know these parts are sometimes available months before being introduced in Apple products, and in some cases skipped altogether for the next gen.

Judging from the frequent comments on sites like these, many Mac users would like more frequent Mac updates, at the very least with the latest processors and graphics (so that if and when a user does decide to purchase new equipment, he/she doesn't have to choose between waiting and waiting and waiting, or paying premium prices for 6mos old tech), a return to post-purchase upgradeability, and minimized obsolescence, but none of the above is likely to happen. The industry trend is in the opposite direction.

In spite of employing thousands upon thousands of employees (well over 100,000 if AppleStore employees are included), could it be that with the existing product line-up, the various Stores, the health initiative, HomeKit, Maps, AppleMusic, AI, AR, their TV ambitions, the Car initiative, self-driving Tech, and the new, nearly completed campus, Apple is just spreading itself too thin?

I realize Apple can not be all things to all people, but sometimes I secretly miss the old Apple.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JGRE and Mainyehc
I wouldn't hold my breath for that, they would like you to purchase new equipment. I'm still peeved that my older, brick-style AirportExpress won't work reliably with the post-iTunes10 versions of iTunes. And since I also have a TimeCapsule, my only intended use for the Express is AirPlay. Technical reasons, or planned obsolescence?

It's most likely planned obsolescence, which is a damn shame, but more on that later…

In keeping with Tim's obsession with profits, Apple is concentrating on the big moneymakers, and the Pro market being so small compared to the revenue generated by the iPhone and iOS ecosystem, only seems to get sporadic love nowadays. Even the consumer Mac lines, both desktops and laptops, sometimes seem to be treated like 'the ugly stepchild'.

Well… To call it an “ugly stepchild” might be somewhat of an exaggeration. There is still a lot of cross-polination, and macOS hasn't been completely gutted, bastardised or locked up. If anything, they aren't being bold enough (and no, I don't mean that Apple should produce a Surface Pro or Surface Studio clone, I just think that they could very well buy or Sherlock AstroPad and kill both Wacom and those Microsoft thingamajigs in one fell swoop, while also selling a metric crapton of iPads in the process), but abandoning the Mac they are not… But I absolutely get where you're coming from with that assumption, which you do address in further detail, as we'll see next.

And one cannot any longer blame this on Apple's earlier mantra of only doing updates when warranted by significant improvements, rather than upgrading for upgrade's sake. That model appears to have long since been abandoned, and Apple now claims they depend totally on the availability of new chips or suitable graphics cards, while we all know these parts are sometimes available months before being introduced in Apple products, and in some cases skipped altogether for the next gen.

I never got this, either. I am aware that they always made small redesigns (like different SATA cables, different board layouts, etc.) between different Revs, but are they actually required to do those when just changing chip families or even chip speeds? And are those the most expensive part of a product design? It seems really, really lazy and stupid, especially the Mac Pro. I mean, sure, waiting for the newfangled USB-C ports and latest DisplayPort standards is all well and good, but how many Xeon and GPU drop-in replacements did they skip during the last 1000+ days, again? All the while charging for old, outdated components as if they were brand-spanking-new? No wonder that they don't sell well, it's as if they are boycotting their own user base so they can drop them with a supposedly clear consciousness. Yeah, right! Like we will let them get away with it… Nearly all criticism of Apple in the media on this subject is warranted and well deserved, and I, for one, regret nothing.

Judging from the frequent comments on sites like these, many Mac users would like more frequent Mac updates, at the very least with the latest processors and graphics (so that if and when a user does decide to purchase new equipment, he/she doesn't have to choose between waiting and waiting and waiting, or paying premium prices for 6mos old tech), a return to post-purchase upgradeability, and minimized obsolescence, but none of the above is likely to happen. The industry trend is in the opposite direction.

This. I feel this is the single biggest reason for me, a [still] staunch Mac (nay, Apple) advocate, to be so mad at them at times. All their talk of environmentally-conscious policies just reeks of hypocrisy and bs. I mean, I never expected them to release PC-like towers again (yes, the PowerMac G5 and Mac Pro tower were still very conventional PCs), the much desired “headless iMac” or some Project ARA-like modular smartphone monstrosity, but at least I'd like them to offer a budget but high quality (as far as case builds and Q&A is concerned) range of Macs for the education market and developing/struggling countries/segments.

They would absolutely wipe out the entire PC market, without necessarily devaluing their brand, cannibalising their higher-end BTO models nor alienating the “nouveau-riche/fashion conscious” demographic who, besides actual pros, may buy them without really needing them. Those two approaches were *never* mutually exclusive (and the success of the MacBook Air line and even the iPads in their heyday alongside more conventional Macs is proof of that), and the fact that Apple eschewed that market by no longer offering equivalents to the original, non-Retina unibody MacBooks or the iMac G5 just shows how they don't really give a crap about those segments or the environment. And who cares if “the industry trend is in the opposite direction”? They are trying to fight on Apple's turf hardware-wise and, if Apple reacts quickly enough to Microsoft's onslaught and reduces their value proposition, they will get trounced. So Apple could very much go *both* directions and make a killing.

In spite of employing thousands upon thousands of employees (well over 100,000 if AppleStore employees are included), could it be that with the existing product line-up, the various Stores, the health initiative, HomeKit, Maps, AppleMusic, AI, AR, their TV ambitions, the Car initiative, self-driving Tech, and the new, nearly completed campus, Apple is just spreading itself too thin?

Well… nope! With this, I don't agree. It's not like if Apple is trying to become like Samsung (which appliances, consumer electronics, and sells insurance), Mitsubishi (which makes cars, air conditioners and writing instruments… Yes, there's a company named Uni Mitsubishi Pencil), Yamaha (which makes motorcycles, PWCs and concert pianos) or any of those companies which offer weird product mixes. AFAIK, all of their products still fit on a large table and do make sense together, and their services are getting better (and are the glue that binds the former) and aren't any more ambitions in scope (in fact, they seem to be more focused) than Google's. If they play their cards right, by improving them and [gasp!] offering cross-platform/agnostic versions when justified (Apple Music, which follows in the footsteps of the hell-freezing-over iTunes and then-iTMS for Windows is a great example of that), they might very well pull a Microsoft on Google et al. (but without doing any shady dealings or raising serious anti-trust concerns in the process… They are a bit above that and the well-deserved ongoing tension with the European Commission or the IRS is probably as far as they are going; besides, everybody else is doing it :p ).

I realize Apple can not be all things to all people, but sometimes I secretly miss the old Apple.

I think I do miss it, too, in some regards, but I especially miss Steve and his awesome keynotes… and all the anticipation that came with them. I'm not talking about the number of leaks or lack thereof, but the special way the build-up happened in our collective minds, and I'm pretty sure Steve was the differentiating factor, not the products themselves (which, mind you, are still very cool and warrant the best of our Kremlinology-like efforts, down to the subtle naming change of the latest MacBook Pros :rolleyes: ).

All things considered, and even if I get mad at Apple sometimes or if their added smugness consistently rubs me off the wrong way, they do deliver as far as privacy protection, accessibility, etc. are concerned. Also, even if I feel that if I'm slowly being forced out of my platform of choice, it will be because of Apple's own hubristic decisions alone, which still might be halted or even reversed, depending on what they do. And no, that doesn't necessarily mean addressing all my concerns, it may very well result from some surprising development which we haven't even foreseen (and a switch to ARM-based Ax processors doesn't count, either, as that's probably inevitable, though it would, combined with Microsoft *also* offering Windows on ARM processors by Qualcomm, shake up the market a fair bit again). That will certainly give us all time to adapt and make the grief over a potential switch to the Dark Side™ or the F/OSS side (not really an option for me, alas) more bearable than a sad demise into bankruptcy and oblivion.

I'd rather be somewhat mad at Apple in the mid 2020s for killing me off as a Mac/PC customer (while still enticing me with shiny gadgets that do respect my privacy and which I'd probably still buy regardless) and find some solace using a somewhat lesser OS by Microsoft and a lesser (but more affordable) PC from some no-name manufacturer, than genuinely hating Microsoft for singlehandedly destroying all their competition back in the day (hey, I think they have been clearing up most of that bad Karma as of late) *and* be forced to use their products afterwards during the 1990s (which would've had to happen in an alternate reality, because while I did know Macs existed and that Windows 95 was a huge rip-off, I was always a PC user from 1992 right until Dec. 2003 and was fortunately spared from experiencing or even witnessing all that sadness, grief and/or stress induced by the fear of having – or by actually being forced – to jump ship… Conversely, getting pissed at Microsoft because of Longhorn was a walk in the park by comparison, because I had decided already to become a graphic designer and Macs were just taking off once again back then). Just my €0,02.

P.S.: This is my 500th post here since 2004 (I know, I'm mostly a lurker – especially when compared with other users with much larger posting averages – but I'm a *very* regular one at that and usually condense a lot of information in just a few posts… Sosumi aha)! I feel that this back-and-forth with a small retrospective included in the mix is very much fitting for the occasion. ;)
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: macintoshmac
hope this fixes my google accounts in mail. I have to re-log into them every day since the 1st beta.

To add insult to injury, Sierra also wiped my keychain too. With 22 different email accounts for various reasons, it was a daunting task to remember every password. UGH! :-(

And btw, I booted back to El Capitan, the same copy used to upgrade, and none of my problems are present, so one this is clear. NONE OF MY PROBLEMS ARE HARDWARE RELATED. :(
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.