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Apple today seeded the first beta of an upcoming macOS Sonoma 14.6 update to developers, with the software coming a month after Apple released macOS Sonoma 14.5.

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Registered developers can opt-in to the beta through the Software Update section of the System Settings app. Note that an Apple ID associated with an Apple Developer account is required to get the beta.

We don't yet know what might be included in macOS Sonoma 14.6, but if new features are found in the beta, we'll update this post.

Article Link: Apple Seeds First Beta of macOS Sonoma 14.6 to Developers
 
Released to devs today
  • iOS 17.6 beta (21G5052e) - June 17, 2024
  • iPadOS 17.6 beta (21G5052e) - June 17, 2024
  • macOS 14.6 beta (23G5052d) - June 17, 2024
  • tvOS 17.6 beta (21M5045c) - June 17, 2024
  • visionOS 1.3 beta (21O5747c) - June 17, 2024
  • watchOS 10.6 beta (21U5551b) - June 17, 2024
 
Ventura 13.6.8 - 22G807
https://betawiki.net/wiki/MacOS_Ventura concurs with this:
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but this is weird:

here is what https://appledb.dev/firmware.html says:
appledb.png

but 13.6.7 has already been released on May 13

so either appledb or apple made a mistake

the version really should be 13.6.8 not 13.6.7

why would apple release an rc for a version that has already been released?

apart from the new 14.6 beta ipsw there are no full installers yet, so it's hard to check without actually installing build 22G807 - whatever that version that may be.

the confusion (and potentially the mistake) should be cleared up if and when they release the full installers which will probably be tomorrow.

anyone installed build 22G807, if so what version is it?
 
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Here is a way i found to clear up the 22G807 version confusion - without actually installing 22G807

First download the otherwise OTA only download at https://updates.cdn-apple.com/2024S.../a33d866d00085f7e7afcf8fd0456323795606eca.zip

decompress and look in /AssetData/boot/SystemVersion.plist . That should reveal the version number for 22G807 - at least for what it is today

unfortunately apple do not list the ventura or monterey rcs at https://developer.apple.com/news/releases/ . If they did it would be much easier
 
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Here is the SystemVersion.plist for 22G807:

Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
    <key>BuildID</key>
    <string>40B8E988-288F-11EF-91EE-3DE222A9450C</string>
    <key>ProductBuildVersion</key>
    <string>22G807</string>
    <key>ProductCopyright</key>
    <string>1983-2024 Apple Inc.</string>
    <key>ProductName</key>
    <string>macOS</string>
    <key>ProductUserVisibleVersion</key>
    <string>13.6.7</string>
    <key>ProductVersion</key>
    <string>13.6.7</string>
    <key>iOSSupportVersion</key>
    <string>16.6</string>
</dict>
</plist>

and so this confirms that the version for build 22G807 is 13.6.7 - so appledb was right!

Lets see if that changes tomorrow when the full installer (probably) comes out.
 
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How stable has 14.5 been actually? I haven’t seen any complaints so I assume okay?
There will always be complaints but that doesn’t mean 14.5 is not stable. It is very stable. Of course there will always be glitches and bugs to deal with but there are no showstoppers. If perfection is what you are looking for then keep on looking. Don’t pay much, if any, attention to the rantings and blathering on tech blogs like MacRumors.
 
macOS Sonoma runs better than Windows 11 any day of the week. And because you declare something to be a bug doesn’t mean it actually is one.
Yes, it is better than Windows 11 in many ways. I'm still seeing Windows NT panels when I bring up certain managers.

I worked in software development for over 20 years. There are many bugs in every version of macOS, as well as, design flaws, and points where you can tell that someone just didn't care. It's obvious that Apple has gone from making sure the software is correct to worrying about features that people might use. It's a software development style that has been present at Adobe for 20 years: don't fix bugs, add features.
 
How stable has 14.5 been actually? I haven’t seen any complaints so I assume okay?
  1. Mail has duplicate messages when flagging in the flags folder - or bolding issues on read messages.
  2. Safari has several "freezes" or focus loss when refreshing a page... I.E; you can't push buttons on pages. This is new.
  3. Cursor loses hover state when going from resize to other state. I.E; mouse shows a divider line instead of a pointer after leaving the resize portion of a window.
  4. "Recents" folder actually does not always show the most recent file you may be working on... the most important recent entry needed for use.
These are all bugs that I noticed personally... off the top of my head... without even trying to think of all the bugs on 14.5 on my M1 Max MBP. Most reported to Apple. They all show major issues with regression or breaking core code with bad software engineering. Unfortunately, this is a sign that implicates management and hiring in engineering and is hard to recover from unless the corporate culture is fixed. Ask Boeing.
 
SystemVersion.plist for 22G807:

Code:
…
<key>ProductBuildVersion</key>
    <string>22G807</string>…
    <key>ProductVersion</key>
    <string>13.6.7</string>…
this confirms that the version for build 22G807 is 13.6.7 - so appledb was right!

Lets see if that changes tomorrow when the full installer (probably) comes out.
So either apple made a mistake and it really should be 13.6.8 - or their intention may be to keep the version at 13.6.7 but hereafter updates just keep increasing the build number.

However for Monterey, 12.7.6 is a new version number

So Sonoma and Monterey get new version numbers but Ventura doesn’t? That doesn’t make much sense.
 
Did they fix the "Take Screenshot" action in Shortcuts that they broke in 14.5?
 
Yes, it is better than Windows 11 in many ways. I'm still seeing Windows NT panels when I bring up certain managers.
Yeah, just the whole OS lacks cohesiveness, when it comes to design language.

I worked in software development for over 20 years. There are many bugs in every version of macOS, as well as, design flaws, and points where you can tell that someone just didn't care. It's obvious that Apple has gone from making sure the software is correct to worrying about features that people might use. It's a software development style that has been present at Adobe for 20 years: don't fix bugs, add features.
To be honest, I would say that, most of the time, the new “features” are quite minor – there’s rarely anything that drastically improves or changes the overall user experience.

Having said that, I think that in the past years the quality has been improving. For example, I didn’t have more issues with the first iOS 17 / macOS Sonoma betas, nor I see anything major broken with the current ones. This is quite a change from few years back, where even small on the surface updates, were having ton of serious problems throughout the beta cycle.

This is not to say that there are zero issues. There have been issues with Safari, UI-related bugs here and there, problems with widgets and notifications on iOS all the time, etc.

Generally, what looks to me, is Apple is adding small new features here and there, as small wins, which, unfortunately, have been targeting primarily the teenagers, I suppose.

I would like to see actual enhancements to things that actually matter to most users. For example, despite the improvements in WebKit in the past couple of years, the overall experience is still sluggish – and I think needs more loving. Apps like Music has not really introduced new features in the past 5 years, apart from lyrics and Dolby atmos support.

So yeah… stability-wise things are somewhat better, but I feel the pace of innovation / introduction of actually what matters is lacking.
 
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How stable has 14.5 been actually? I haven’t seen any complaints so I assume okay?
I've had a stable experience since Sonoma 14.1 and I use my MacBook more or less every day.

But, today (on 14.5) I got my first Kernel Panic when waking the computer from sleep (opening the lid). This is the first time it happens since October 2023 when I jumped on Sonoma, so not too bad I guess. :)
 
Hello,
can anyone tell me what curl version ships with this release?

(to be able to do that open terminal and run
curl --version
)

Thanks!
 
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