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Apple Seeds Third Public Beta of macOS 14.5

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Apple today seeded the third beta of an upcoming macOS Sonoma 14.5 update to public beta testers, allowing non-developers to test the software ahead of its launch. The public beta comes a week after Apple released the second public beta and a day after Apple seeded the beta to developers.

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Beta testers can opt-in through the Software Update section of the System Settings app. Under Beta updates, simply toggle on the Sonoma Public Beta. Note that you must sign up to participate on Apple's beta testing website.

There have been no new features found in the macOS Sonoma 14.5 developer betas so far, and Apple listed no additions in its release notes. It is likely that the update focuses on bug fixes and other small under-the-hood improvements.

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Been using this from yesterday, been very solid. Still expect beta 4 (April 30), before a RC (May 7th). Likely this will be released May 13th.

Released to Devs yesterday
  • iOS 17.5 beta 3 (21F5063f) - April 23, 2024
  • iPadOS 17.5 beta 3 (21F5063f) - April 23, 2024
  • macOS 14.5 beta 3 (23F5064f) - April 23, 2024
  • tvOS 17.5 beta 3 (21L5558d) - April 23, 2024
  • visionOS 1.2 beta 3 (21O5570d) - April 23, 2024
  • watchOS 10.5 beta 3 (21T5560d) - April 23, 2024
 
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Comparison of 14.5 beta 3 to 14.5 beta 2

macOS 14.5 beta 3 (21L5558d)
  • Safari Version 17.5 (19618.2.10.11.4)
  • System Firmware Version: 10151.120.136.501.1 (M1 based Macs)
  • Darwin Kernel Version 23.5.0: Sat Apr 13 17:32:18 PDT 2024; root:xnu-10063.120.104~34/RELEASE_ARM64_T8103 arm64
macOS 14.5 beta 2 (23F5059e)
  • Safari Version 17.5 (19618.2.7.11.1)
  • System Firmware Version: 10151.120.136 (M1 based Macs)
  • Darwin Kernel Version 23.5.0: Sun Apr 7 17:43:41 PDT 2024; root:xnu-10063.120.101.0.1~10/RELEASE_ARM64_T8103 arm64
Apple Music/TV is now 1.4.5.36 from 1.4.5.32
 
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Account25476 said:
I still don't get how you can release a software without including what it's containing... Truly only Apple can allow such privilege.
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FaceTime​

Resolved Issues​

  • Fixed: Users might not be able to approve or decline a FaceTime link call because notifications might not be received on the caller side for them to accept or decline the call. (125617787)

Mac (Designed for iPad) Apps​

Resolved Issues​

  • Fixed: macOS might launch the wrong version for (Designed for iPad) apps after double clicking the icon or after building from Xcode. (121404522)
 
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Realityck said:
Comparison of 14.5 beta 3 to 14.5 beta 2

macOS 14.5 beta 3 (21L5558d)
  • Safari Version 17.5 (19618.2.10.11.4)
  • System Firmware Version: 10151.120.136.501.1 (M1 based Macs)
  • Darwin Kernel Version 23.5.0: Sat Apr 13 17:32:18 PDT 2024; root:xnu-10063.120.104~34/RELEASE_ARM64_T8103 arm64
macOS 14.5 beta 2 (23F5059e)
  • Safari Version 17.5 (19618.2.7.11.1)
  • System Firmware Version: 10151.120.136 (M1 based Macs)
  • Darwin Kernel Version 23.5.0: Sun Apr 7 17:43:41 PDT 2024; root:xnu-10063.120.101.0.1~10/RELEASE_ARM64_T8103 arm64
Apple Music/TV is now 1.4.5.36 from 1.4.5.32
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Getting a bit crazy with those version numbers, eh?
  • System Firmware Version: 10151.120.136.501.1 (M1 based Macs)
Come on. Is it really needing to be that granular?
 
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coolfactor said:
Getting a bit crazy with those version numbers, eh?
  • System Firmware Version: 10151.120.136.501.1 (M1 based Macs)
Come on. Is it really needing to be that granular?
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Yes. It does need to be that specific. Apple, I assume uses version control to maintain the source code, everyone does this. In fact Apple has many different versions currently being worked on, some versions released, some are experimental and some are future planned versions. I would guess Apple might have a dozen versions of Safari being actively worked at any one time.

Then Apple gets a bug report. The question is which of those dozen versions of Safari does this bug apply to? and if it is fixed which versions now have the fix applied and does this fix work in every place it is applied?

It is easy to track if there is just one source code file and one programmer but there are dozens of programmers working on dozens of versions of Safari. So tracking this requires some effort and some bookkeeping. Mostly the version control software does the work for you but not without a bit of complex setup and some "'rules" the developers must follow.
 
zorinlynx said:
Yeah, I'm not bothering with these betas because there's no changelog and nobody seems to know what's been changed. What's the point going through an annoying software update for basically no changes?
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the purpose of a beta release is to find bugs. So you want users who are interested in this process. If they advertise attractive new features then they attract users not so interested in bug-hunting and reporting. Apple does not want those users.

Why would you care about running Beta software? Perhaps you have software you wrote and you want to verify it still runs well on the upcoming, new MacOS version.

It is also very likely that there are no user-visible new features in this release.
 
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“It is likely that the update focuses on bug fixes and other small under-the-hood improvements.”

And yet it’s a .5 update.
So weird.
 
zorinlynx said:
Yeah, I'm not bothering with these betas because there's no changelog and nobody seems to know what's been changed. What's the point going through an annoying software update for basically no changes?
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these updates are not for people like you. these updates are for people like us, MacAdmins that have to manage the OS to distribute it to an entire institution, so for us those numbers matter.
 
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ChrisA said:
Yes. It does need to be that specific. Apple, I assume uses version control to maintain the source code, everyone does this. In fact Apple has many different versions currently being worked on, some versions released, some are experimental and some are future planned versions. I would guess Apple might have a dozen versions of Safari being actively worked at any one time.

Then Apple gets a bug report. The question is which of those dozen versions of Safari does this bug apply to? and if it is fixed which versions now have the fix applied and does this fix work in every place it is applied?

It is easy to track if there is just one source code file and one programmer but there are dozens of programmers working on dozens of versions of Safari. So tracking this requires some effort and some bookkeeping. Mostly the version control software does the work for you but not without a bit of complex setup and some "'rules" the developers must follow.
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Agree. I appreciate the granularity personally. Working on a team of over 1000 developers here and if builds are not granular to this degree it becomes very simple to start confusing what all in included in larger builds, what actually failed, etc.
 
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Account25476 said:
I still don't get how you can release a software without including what it's containing... Truly only Apple can allow such privilege.
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Apple always has release notes, and this update is no different. It's not Apple's fault that MacRumors has semi-automated posting for these beta updates and the writer/editor that punches in the updated numbers doesn't bother to find and/or read them.
 
Beta3 fixed my issue with the broken iCloud Drive connectivity (files would only upload to or download from iCloud Drive shortly after a reboot but shortly thereafter, synchronisation would stall until next reboot).
 
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Account25476 said:
I still don't get how you can release a software without including what it's containing... Truly only Apple can allow such privilege.
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You mean like app developers and their stream of “Bug fixes and performance improvements” in every version?
 
Realityck said:

FaceTime​

Resolved Issues​

  • Fixed: Users might not be able to approve or decline a FaceTime link call because notifications might not be received on the caller side for them to accept or decline the call. (125617787)

Mac (Designed for iPad) Apps​

Resolved Issues​

  • Fixed: macOS might launch the wrong version for (Designed for iPad) apps after double clicking the icon or after building from Xcode. (121404522)
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Wow.. such GB download..

Thanks for sharing.

Surely much more has changed.. It's like that trend that still exists in some release notes for iOS apps. Meta is a prime example, paraphrasing here; We've updated the app to work better for you. Keep automatic updates turned on and don't miss out on updates.

In my world that's not proper release notes.
 
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allan.nyholm said:
Wow.. such GB download..

Thanks for sharing.

Surely much more has changed.. It's like that trend that still exists in some release notes for iOS apps. Meta is a prime example, paraphrasing here; We've updated the app to work better for you. Keep automatic updates turned on and don't miss out on updates.

In my world that's not proper release notes.
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SDK notes are only relevant to developers not users most of the time. It can detail some issues/fixes, but it's not listing anything reported back through feedback assistance. That is just collected and pooled when enough instances show an obvious reproducible issue for fixing. Occasionally someone contacts the reporting source wanting clarification for reproducing whats at issue.

All the seeded betas show version changes to Safari, system FW/OS Loader, Darwin Kernel, and Apple apps. But usually not disclosed is undocumented changes/improvements to operation/quality of the operating system involved. There are numerous examples of other software updates out there where vague comments is normal not defining whats new or changed. ;)
 
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